Let's be serious now. I saw a lot, a LOT of people on this site asking for a release date. When one comes out, whaddayakno, boards are flushed with negativity. Not to mention those who had "predicted" a longer release date are rectifying being wrong by saying it's released too early. Which is hilariously eggocentric and nonsensical. Because a few days of play must mean they can judge a product, the staff, how much work can get done, progress and look into the future. Be realistic, we don't know anything, all we know is what we like. THAT is our value, do you truly think we are taken seriously by ANY company when we (a sole individual) tell them how they should make their game, predicting what would happen?

 Now, Guild Wars 2 isn't video game jesus, it has issues - of course. I'll buy it, but I can't say how much I'll enjoy it yet, that's nonsense. However, what does frustrate me is the community. We've heard this all before, how online gamers are THE premiere sniveling and whiney demographic. Whoever ventures into customer support for an online game must really need work.

 Why, though? That's what I want to know. I don't really care about how this is recieved, it won't show anyone the errors of their way and the irony is not loss on me. With this thread I am adapting the same mentality just a different perspective.

 But why are we like this, why does it seem online gamers are the most vocal? I truly don't understand, so let's discuss it. I am one of you, by the way, I'm not putting myself on any type of pedastool.

I am not negative.  That is all that matters IMO.

maybe you see online gamers as the most vocal because you visit gaming forums online.  there is a big world out there.

Originally posted by Mexorilla

maybe you see online gamers as the most vocal because you visit gaming forums online.  there is a big world out there.

Very good point, but I'm a bit of a hobby flake and have been a part of a lot of different communities. None quite so negative, from what I saw.

Y'know what I think is funny?....

https://www.google.com/search?q=gamestop+guild+wars+2+release+date+August+28&num=30&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&ei=t97sT8KHMMe6rQHIsN3dDQ&ved=0CAkQpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2012%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F27%2F2012&tbm=

....for all the dozens of bullshit release date projections Gamestop made, not one of them was even close. :D

For sure, but there are always a bunch of ppl like that. Like they could choose the perfect day for them.. lol

For me the date is good and im just happy that finally there is a date and isnt December :).

Originally posted by Arnoagns

 But why are we like this, why does it seem online gamers are the most vocal? I truly don't understand, so let's discuss it. I am one of you, by the way, I'm not putting myself on any type of pedastool.

Edited for length:

If theres 2 things you can count on in social media, it's ignorance & hypocricy.

Why are humans like this? Who knows.

As for why we are the most vocal? I don't necessarily think that's true. I think that gamers really only have 1 method of voicing their opinion. And that is through the internet. There are just no real other venues for us to speak up about things and be heard. However, as the internet has shown, it's a bit of a mixed bag. A lot of people feel the anonymity of being online, and because of that proceed to post whatever garbage they want. But regardless of the individuals reasons (of which there are many), it all basically boils down to this is the only avenue we really have.

Other forms of media have user groups, meetups, conferences & such which are more accountable. As such people who try and act like asshats in those situations quickly get shunned by the community. So people generally try not to do that.

- Probably the most disturbing fact amongst gamers, is that not only do we appear to whine the most (have the biggest sense of self-entitlement), we are also one of the easiest demographics to sell to. We'll buy anything. We'll at one moment condemn company X or Y, or business practice Y or Z; and then a shiny new game comes out with both and we are all over it. 'Who cares! This one is different!'. It's very sickening.

Originally posted by OldManFunk
You have to remember that kids can post on the internet, too. Have you ever talked to a teenager? Internet communities are crap because they're filled with kids.

Hey hey hey, there are exceptions. I know a lot of us younger gamers are seriously messed up in the noggin, but not all of us, atleast not all the way. 

Originally posted by Arnoagns

... eggocentric...

Leggo of my Eggo!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

Welp, to be honest.

August 30th is my birthday. I was already going to take that and the 31st off. 

What the hell, I never use my vacation time anyway. Kiss that week g'bye.

Most of the negativity and doubt raising has come from people more invested in other games than GW2.

The game was already more polished during BWE2 than most MMOs are at launch and, this is a big point, the game design isn't flawed and it's overflowing with world space and content, so a few bugs and balance issues won't make any difference for the long term health of the game. (Where as many MMOs could be poished and completely bug free, but suffer under core game design flaws, too small world or lack of content).

I'm completely happy with the release date and actually wish it could be a month sooner. I have zero fears that the game won't be ready for a late August launch.

Originally posted by OldManFunk
You have to remember that kids can post on the internet, too. Have you ever talked to a teenager? Internet communities are crap because they're filled with kids.

Why are there so many crotchety old men on the interwebs?

I've met some decent young players in my internet adventures, and I was considered the same  years ago. I also see more elders attacking kids than I ever see kids attacking elders, so grasp this maturity you hold so highly you old fart.

Back to the thread, people will always have their defined moment of 'when' it should go live, but I think 2 full months from now will be fine. Chances are anybody who has BWE access will be able to see how far they've come next month or in the first couple weeks of August.

Originally posted by Torrmwyre

Originally posted by OldManFunk
You have to remember that kids can post on the internet, too. Have you ever talked to a teenager? Internet communities are crap because they're filled with kids.

Why are there so many crotchety old men on the interwebs?

I've met some decent young players in my internet adventures, and I was considered the same  years ago. I also see more elders attacking kids than I ever see kids attacking elders, so grasp this maturity you hold so highly you old fart.

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Wow, hostile!

As a decent young player of games myself, I would not say such things even if I did feel it were true.  Ha.

" When one comes out, whaddayakno, boards are flushed with negativity. "

 The boards were not flushed with it, you had a few pop up ... some lengthy discussion in one. Why do people focus on the negative so much, its similar to people saying the GW2 BWE forums had tons of negative threads ... when in reality it only had a few.

Originally posted by Redemp

" When one comes out, whaddayakno, boards are flushed with negativity. "

 The boards were not flushed with it, you had a few pop up ... some lengthy discussion in one. Why do people focus on the negative so much, its similar to people saying the GW2 BWE forums had tons of negative threads ... when in reality it only had a few.

 

I think negativity is much easier to grasp, it always seems a lot more static, whereas when it changes it's happy. As opposed to trying to have faith in optimism.

Always more than one extreme. After both BWE's you saw people posting that the game is more polished than most MMO's at launch and that there's no reason to put off releasing the game.

You also saw posters posting that there's far too many bugs and that the game is nowhere near good enough for a release anytime soon....

I can't tell you which side of those arguments have more people with the games best interest at heart and truly think it needs more time, which ones are selfish and want the game now, which ones that hate the game and say it's ready just because they want to see it release and watch the backlash if it's not truly read, and which ones don't ever want the game to see the light of day just for the sake that they don't like it and want to cry that it's not ready.

It certainly doesn't matter what we say on this forum. I feel the best time to have our voices heard was/is beta. And if Anet is seeing good things (I certainly didn't have any game killers, other than crashing at the start of both BWE's due to so many people in game, but that problem went away for me each beta maybe 15 minutes in), then I say they know the best time to launch their game....  

I, for one, am in the camp of, if it's ready, then it's ready. And if it's ready sooner, great, I'm happy about that. If it's ready later, oh well, I've got other things I can do in the meantime.