"players won’t have to run back to the quest giver to get the reward. This is a game set in the modern era and players will receive quest rewards via PDA, a really nice touch."

Heh. 'Won't have to'. I like that spin they put on it. Yes, yes, you WILL have to run back to the quest giver. Many times. They even admitted to *why* they did it this way: If they let you gather up your quests all at once, they'd have to slow down xp gain because you'd run out of content too quickly. So to "add content" they make you run back and forth over and over and over again to slow you down. Fantastic. This will probably kill the game faster for most people more than anything else.

Pause a quest because you know you'll never probably be in this out of the way secluded hard to reach spot again and there's a quest item laying on the ground (some idol, etc)? Yeah, you can "dial in the reward" for that new one, but you get to run back to where you got the one you paused to get it restarted. Apparently, your quest giver KNOWS when you've put them on the back burner, and won't let you "Dial" that one in, they want to see your FACE when you beg them to let you restarted their mission.

Originally posted by rpgalon

Originally posted by Unshra

The list covers mostly everything but the one thing that is the focus in The Secret World and makes it stand out from other MMO's, that being the puzzles which can be as small as a quest to as large as to cover multiple ARG clues and puzzles (they come some will last months, but we will see.) In my opinion if they can't pull this off then it's just like every other MMO but with better atmosphere.

 

if it is just like every other MMO + better atmosphere, doesn't it make the game better than every other MMO?

Did I say it was worse or was this a captain obvious moment (i.e. failed attempt at being snarky)?

Also to expand on that, just because a game has the same features as other MMO's does not mean that it executes them on the same level or better then other MMO's, this should go without saying of course.

Meh.  A lot of the stuff people talk about as game breakers really are kinda minor.  The memory leak HAS been fixed but that was pretty early on in CB.  Animation... man I"m paying more attention to killing that which is killing me than looking at how my characters butt sways or not.  As for stupid contentions like "price"  sounds like a f2p fanboi.  Wait... wasn't SWTOR like 59.99 at release?  I actually didn't feel justified paying that much so i waited on a price drop.  this one is mostly normal price.  49.99.  Pretty average to me.

The Group finder would be nice as well as possible queue and gear balancing for PvP... but that's usually post release in most of these games.  I think a lot of you have been spoiled by WoW and the "ease of use" adjustments they made in that MMO post Vanilla and mid Burning Crusade.

I went into the betas thinking I would wait for FTP if it ever came along, but I was so impressed that I lifetime subbed.  I don't think I am going to be disappointed.  I admit the character creation is kind of lacking, but not  a deal breaker for me.  The environments are awesome when you crank the graphics, and I love the quests that combine action with puzzles.  It is so refreshing not to have to kill x amount of bears, spiders, wolves, etc...and have to think while you are questing.

I went into the betas thinking I would wait for FTP if it ever came along, but I was so impressed that I lifetime subbed.  I don't think I am going to be disappointed.  I admit the character creation is kind of lacking, but not  a deal breaker for me.  The environments are awesome when you crank the graphics, and I love the quests that combine action with puzzles.  It is so refreshing not to have to kill x amount of bears, spiders, wolves, etc...and have to think while you are questing.

I went into the betas thinking I would wait for FTP if it ever came along, but I was so impressed that I lifetime subbed.  I don't think I am going to be disappointed.  I admit the character creation is kind of lacking, but not  a deal breaker for me.  The environments are awesome when you crank the graphics, and I love the quests that combine action with puzzles.  It is so refreshing not to have to kill x amount of bears, spiders, wolves, etc...and have to think while you are questing.

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Originally posted by Hexrunner

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Originally posted by Istavaan i love how TSW fanbois are trying to say that their game is somehow for the more intelligent among us..wow if thats the elitest attitude of the community i think i'll give it a skip. following those way points takes a lot of mental effort i must admit.

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If you'd played the game at all, you'd know that it's not just a "follow that waypoint" type of game. Of course, there are a lot of missions that require that sort of thing but the investigation missions are a breath of fresh air.

Unfortunately, what I saw in the beta weekends was an abundance of people that didn't want to spend any time thinking through some of the missions and wanted all their answers handed to them on a platter. Then there were people obliging them by shouting out the answers in the general chat. I'm hoping that will tone down somewhat.

Other than that, I thoroughly enjoyed this game and the challenges it provided. As with any game, there are issues and as an ex-AO player I recognize Funcom's track record in regards to actually getting things done in a timely manner. I'd like to think that they'll be a little more focused in regards to TSW though. That might just be wishful thinking, but only time will tell.

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This is exactly what I saw during the beta weekends (but was thankfully absent for me during the closed beta)- there's no way I'll pick up this title before the normal population drop-off. Too many people from the instant gratification camp buying whatever happens to be new. By the 2-3 month mark I figure the majority of them as well as the "content locust" types will have gone especially with GW2 to be released in roughly that timeframe- for those that remain it'll be a great game.

• Linear, story-driven themepark gameplay overloaded with cutscenes
• Limited replayability
• Subpar combat
• Subpar character creator
• Things that should have been fixed in beta but weren't, but the developer promises to do that "soon"

I played 2 beta weekends, and I have to agree with Suzie on just about everything.

I don't know that I saw any improvement in the character creator since I didn't use it last weekend, but what I did see what just ok.  I love the customization in City of Heroes, so I'm always going to be disappointed in everything else :)

I love complexity in games.  Everything out there is too easy lately, and it's boring.  The puzzles in TSW are fun to figure out.  It'll be a quiet game for me though.  I'll have general chat turned off due to the a**hats that blurt out the spoilers.  I don't find the skill wheel difficult to understand...of course, I do have a brain, and I know how to use it :)

I'm one of those "grab all the quests at once", but I find this system working just fine for me.  I thought I'd hate it, but it's actually pretty good.

I could care less about combat animations, but I know it's a big thing for some people.  My bf won't play the game because of it (and a few other items), but he's got Tera.


 

Originally posted by nuttob

I went into the betas thinking I would wait for FTP if it ever came along, but I was so impressed that I lifetime subbed.  I don't think I am going to be disappointed.  I admit the character creation is kind of lacking, but not  a deal breaker for me.  The environments are awesome when you crank the graphics, and I love the quests that combine action with puzzles.  It is so refreshing not to have to kill x amount of bears, spiders, wolves, etc...and have to think while you are questing.

        Its funny I went into beta thinking this was going to be a great game (sounded great in theory) and came out of it very disappointed, to the point that I probably wouldn't even play it if it goes f2p.

As of the last beta weekend, character creation is still a "break" for me, as are the animations. There's just no excuse for a 2012 release to be so poor in these areas. There's no neutral here, man up pick a make or break.

They have not the full character creation for the beta as I have heard and the beta is a

beta and most of the big features is not in place for the beta it's like giving away the

game before it is in the shop. Most beta I have played.... Wow I have played.... Since

the UO & EQ ... I'm old Ha ha ha

The point is that we have not seen it all and Funcom is getting better and better. AO

was bad I was there on release day and wow it was bad, but when they got it up

and running 6 moths later it is today one of the best SIFI MMORPG out there.  

AOC had a great  launch, but Funcom hoped they could build content on the Fly

before the players could get there, but they lost that speed run :( I still play

AOC from time to time and Funcom can make good games. I still just run around

in the game world looking at things just like in SKYRIM. 

TSW Beta so far is one of the best I have played so far in my long track record

I have found a lot og A, B & C bugs and have reported them all The second

Beta most of the big bugs was gone and there was a lot of A bugs out there. I

was impressed. I have done a lot of skill and system testing aswell and I have

never  seen so much depth in a RPG system in my life before. This game looks

simple, but it's even more heavy RPG system than AO.

But Funcom can as many says here Cheat again and pull a fast one, but I think third time is the charm here.

So I look forward to play and enjoy myself at  launch day :-) Happy  launch day to all :-)

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by nuttob

I went into the betas thinking I would wait for FTP if it ever came along, but I was so impressed that I lifetime subbed.  I don't think I am going to be disappointed.  I admit the character creation is kind of lacking, but not  a deal breaker for me.  The environments are awesome when you crank the graphics, and I love the quests that combine action with puzzles.  It is so refreshing not to have to kill x amount of bears, spiders, wolves, etc...and have to think while you are questing.

        Its funny I went into beta thinking this was going to be a great game (sounded great in theory) and came out of it very disappointed, to the point that I probably wouldn't even play it if it goes f2p.

As they say to each his own...some will love and some will hate this game.  It goes without saying.

Good Write up IMO.  I hoe I will enjoy this game for some time and then there is that other game coming out soon... geez go years with nothing that great and now this year boom with games lol.

"As long as new players are aware of the decks and can easily access them, Funcom should score a win in this one."

No not really, cuz many of the decks have few or none abilities from the first tier, ergo will they have to make and construct a class as they play, which they will replace skills with newer skills they unlock until they have the final deck.. So really decks doesn't do much until you have completed the deck, that's when you get the "class".

Originally posted by remyburke
Gamebreakers for me after playing it with the wife:

Character creation

Combat

Too many loading screens

Too linear

World is too small for my tastes

I keep seeing these combat complaints.  I just don't get it.  The only MMO ive played with much better combat was Planetside. The only ones ive played with slightly better combat wer GW2 beta and AOC (as melee).

I've played many many MMOs with worse combat - Wow, Rift, Lotro, swtor, daoc (which i love), eq, eve (which i also love).

Originally posted by mxmissile

Is this game free-roam open world (Asheron's Call 1999!)? Or theme-park open world (wow)? Or theme-park with loading screens?

zoned and loading screen - like GW2

however.....

It is more open than wow.  Its not Hub and shopping list based.

Originally posted by ShakyMo

Originally posted by remyburke
Gamebreakers for me after playing it with the wife:

Character creation

Combat

Too many loading screens

Too linear

World is too small for my tastes

I keep seeing these combat complaints.  I just don't get it.  The only MMO ive played with much better combat was Planetside. The only ones ive played with slightly better combat wer GW2 beta and AOC (as melee).

I've played many many MMOs with worse combat - Wow, Rift, Lotro, swtor, daoc (which i love), eq, eve (which i also love).

I think you are not understanding what is meant by combat in regards to people saying it is bad. It's not the skills or the system, it's the animation and the feel.