Originally posted by Deathofsage

I feared for MMOs when TSW announced it's BS cash shop+subscription moddel (and, not or)..

The futuer's so dark I gotta wear night vision.

The good news is that they sell night vision goggles in the ingame store for only $49.99 :)

Originally posted by Bushi131

Most of the people bought D3 because there is at this momment little to see in the games landscape.

i'm pretty sure that if there was better games out there d3 wouldn't have sold that much. But since some good stuff is coming to change that landscape once it's leveled to real choice I guess the better game will take over and set the trend.

Hopefully GW2 will come out around augustus....

I bought D3 and it was a good game, I played it for 80 hours, I got my main barbarian to act3 in inferno and the game is now happily uninstalled from my computer, £35 for 80 hours of entertainment is a worthwhile purchase. What Diablo3 does from this point on is of no concern to me now, if they start selling everything and there mothers in the cash shop it would make no difference to my life.

Originally posted by Trionicus

Not worried about it, not even a little. As long as they keep printing / releasing books I'll be ok.

i havent seen more awesome response in years

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Bushi131

Most of the people bought D3 because there is at this momment little to see in the games landscape.

i'm pretty sure that if there was better games out there d3 wouldn't have sold that much. But since some good stuff is coming to change that landscape once it's leveled to real choice I guess the better game will take over and set the trend.

Hopefully GW2 will come out around augustus....

I bought D3 and it was a good game, I played it for 80 hours, I got my main barbarian to act3 in inferno and the game is now happily uninstalled from my computer, £35 for 80 hours of entertainment is a worthwhile purchase. What Diablo3 does from this point on is of no concern to me now, if they start selling everything and there mothers in the cash shop it would make no difference to my life.

But people that played Diablo2 for 25000 hours the last 12 years could be a bit disappointed if  they feel D3 is no longer fun after 80 hours.

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Bushi131

Most of the people bought D3 because there is at this momment little to see in the games landscape.

i'm pretty sure that if there was better games out there d3 wouldn't have sold that much. But since some good stuff is coming to change that landscape once it's leveled to real choice I guess the better game will take over and set the trend.

Hopefully GW2 will come out around augustus....

I bought D3 and it was a good game, I played it for 80 hours, I got my main barbarian to act3 in inferno and the game is now happily uninstalled from my computer, £35 for 80 hours of entertainment is a worthwhile purchase. What Diablo3 does from this point on is of no concern to me now, if they start selling everything and there mothers in the cash shop it would make no difference to my life.

If you think it will make no difference to you, you're wrong.  What you and most other fail to realize, especially when it comes to an industry shaper like Blizzard, is that the decisions they make do tend spread out and get adopted by other developers and publishers.  That means if Blizzard can make their shitty RMAH model work, other games will attempt it.  And if they start selling their own mother in the shop, others will eventually follow suit.  Then YOU will be facing that cesspool that you left behind because YOU already told the industry that YOU were OK with it, by initially supporting it.

Gamers seem to have an incredibly self-serving sense of reality.  So long as they can get their pleasure centers massaged today, nothing that happens tomorrow even matters.  Like junkie crackheads, the idea of consequences is non-existent.

Originally posted by Deathofsage

I feared for MMOs when TSW announced it's BS cash shop+subscription moddel (and, not or)..

The futuer's so dark I gotta wear night vision.

 WoW has been doing this for quite some time. Whats funny is for a lot of gamers, it's ok if Blizz does it but how dare Funcom do it.

I myself see it as another depressing evolution in gaming.

Originally posted by Gravarg

Originally posted by azmundai

good lord .. i know this isnt an mmo .. but I can already see the genre hooking onto this like a cat on catnip .. goodbye mmos. maybe I should take up golf.

If $250 for a single items becomes the norm, I better go full time into my other hobby, racing...it would be cheaper lol.  I need a turbo for my focus :)

 It's amazing and hilarious how a pixel sword can sell for the same price as a high end golf club isnt it.

Originally posted by Berikai

Imo it's looking more and more like Blizz is just using D3 as an experiment to see how real money auctions would go over when they release Titan.Set the groundwork and see how people accept it,then take it further in the next mmo.

It's the future unfortunately imo,but I guess greed has no bound's.

I would have loved a RMAH in WoW. I hit gold cap a few times in that game, and there is just honestly nothing to do with the gold as you can't spend it as quickly as you make it. I am a fan of a regulated RMAH, but as I have told my friends from the beggining it should have only been gold sold on the RMAH and not items.

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by azmundai

good lord .. i know this isnt an mmo .. but I can already see the genre hooking onto this like a cat on catnip .. goodbye mmos. maybe I should take up golf.

it wont take off in mmos - at least it didint for SOE

 

SOE ran a similar service for 7 years, allowing players to sell their characters, gear, gold  in EQ2

the service was discontinued in december 2011

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/38939

SOE were just too early with that effort though, they were selling RMT to a culture that then despised it.

It took 7+ years of slow boiling the frogs to bring enough players around to liking not actually playing for rewards in games.

I have a feeling of the same server had been launched now it would go very differently.

Originally posted by 7star

Originally posted by Trionicus

Not worried about it, not even a little. As long as they keep printing / releasing books I'll be ok.

That will all be DLC soon enough. 

 

Some publishers might have F2Read. You get the first chapter free and then you have to buy additional pages or chapters in the CS. And then they will only sell the dumbed down version of books (abridged, with simplified vocabulary) to sell more copies to the masses. Sometimes they will just replace words with little cartoons or moving pictures, to make it even easier.

 

And they will only sell short books because people won't pay to DL all of War and Peace or LoTR, for example. They will just sell best-sellers and it will be hard to find more obscure texts.  

 

;)

 

True :\ and sad.

Guess I'll just be reading old books and playing old games lol

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by Gravarg

Originally posted by azmundai

good lord .. i know this isnt an mmo .. but I can already see the genre hooking onto this like a cat on catnip .. goodbye mmos. maybe I should take up golf.

If $250 for a single items becomes the norm, I better go full time into my other hobby, racing...it would be cheaper lol.  I need a turbo for my focus :)

 It's amazing and hilarious how a pixel sword can sell for the same price as a high end golf club isnt it.

I't amazing and hillarious that someone would spend so much money on a golf club.  Just think how many Magic:The Gathering cards you could buy for that.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

He's got it wrong. They'll be releasing the abitity for players to buy and SELL gold and commmodities through the RMAH. Blizzard won't be selling anything. Oh and on commodities Blizzard gets 15% on each auction and 15% to cash out given to paypal.  That was always the plan. They announced it months ago. So if you're just getting mad now you're late.

This ^

I love how everyone has just ignored this post.

People need to stop being ignorant and mindlessly hating.

Do your research.

Originally posted by Valua

Originally posted by zymurgeist

He's got it wrong. They'll be releasing the abitity for players to buy and SELL gold and commmodities through the RMAH. Blizzard won't be selling anything. Oh and on commodities Blizzard gets 15% on each auction and 15% to cash out given to paypal.  That was always the plan. They announced it months ago. So if you're just getting mad now you're late.

 

This ^

 

I love how everyone has just ignored this post.

 

People need to stop being ignorant and mindlessly hating.

 

Do your research.

Yeah ... this x 2 ^^^^

Seems they have up the drop rate in the last hot fix too .. for those who keeps complaining about the drop rates.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Valua

Originally posted by zymurgeist

He's got it wrong. They'll be releasing the abitity for players to buy and SELL gold and commmodities through the RMAH. Blizzard won't be selling anything. Oh and on commodities Blizzard gets 15% on each auction and 15% to cash out given to paypal.  That was always the plan. They announced it months ago. So if you're just getting mad now you're late.

 

This ^

 

I love how everyone has just ignored this post.

 

People need to stop being ignorant and mindlessly hating.

 

Do your research.

Yeah ... this x 2 ^^^^

Seems they have up the drop rate in the last hot fix too .. for those who keeps complaining about the drop rates.

Sadly, no fix will be anough for the haters. Haters gonna hate!

sooner then I thought, good thing I don't even care for what blizzard does, not even SC2 i'm playing anymore

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by mastersomrat

It's the peoples fault.  If they would just stop playing/paying P2W games, they would cease to exist.

Yup.

In the end we have only ourselves to blame. ...

If you wanna know who's fault it is for the current state of mmorpgs, pick up a mirror and take good look!

Up Yours!!! My hands are bloody stumps from the number of posts on this forum. People on this forum are all for this bs and there is nothing you can do about it.

Forget all the detail here are the simple facts, f2p, p2w all the same and they prey on the weak minded. The weak minded are numerous and if they can't see what it will do, what makes you think it will make any difference when they see what it actually does. Ignorant people are as ignorant people do.

But tbh this is part of a much larger patern, it's all to do with apathy. Half the posters here can see what's coming and yet they seem to relish in the 'inevitability' of it. They lack the will to change their situation irrespective of the destiny it presents them. Look around, in every part of life it's the same everywhere.

Originally posted by Valua

Originally posted by zymurgeist

He's got it wrong. They'll be releasing the abitity for players to buy and SELL gold and commmodities through the RMAH. Blizzard won't be selling anything. Oh and on commodities Blizzard gets 15% on each auction and 15% to cash out given to paypal.  That was always the plan. They announced it months ago. So if you're just getting mad now you're late.

 

This ^

 

I love how everyone has just ignored this post.

 

People need to stop being ignorant and mindlessly hating.

 

Do your research.

Blizzard is selling something. They are selling the right to sell Blizzard's pixels, which the player farmed for Blizzard.

Originally posted by 7star

Originally posted by Valua

Originally posted by zymurgeist

He's got it wrong. They'll be releasing the abitity for players to buy and SELL gold and commmodities through the RMAH. Blizzard won't be selling anything. Oh and on commodities Blizzard gets 15% on each auction and 15% to cash out given to paypal.  That was always the plan. They announced it months ago. So if you're just getting mad now you're late.

 

This ^

 

I love how everyone has just ignored this post.

 

People need to stop being ignorant and mindlessly hating.

 

Do your research.

Blizzard is selling something. They are selling the right to sell Blizzard's pixels, which the player farmed for Blizzard.

only thing here is blizzard still getting a cut of the deal, and all the fools go for it, it will be the first game then gold sellers will really work without being at risk to be banned, with all blizzard blessing, I bet next thing they will do is create a bot to play the game for you, using real money to feed the bot timer....

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Bushi131

Most of the people bought D3 because there is at this momment little to see in the games landscape.

i'm pretty sure that if there was better games out there d3 wouldn't have sold that much. But since some good stuff is coming to change that landscape once it's leveled to real choice I guess the better game will take over and set the trend.

Hopefully GW2 will come out around augustus....

I bought D3 and it was a good game, I played it for 80 hours, I got my main barbarian to act3 in inferno and the game is now happily uninstalled from my computer, £35 for 80 hours of entertainment is a worthwhile purchase. What Diablo3 does from this point on is of no concern to me now, if they start selling everything and there mothers in the cash shop it would make no difference to my life.

I absolutely understand what you are saying. But let's make a comparison.

I bought a game like, let's say, Skyrim. I played for 100+ hours. Whenever I felt I was done with that game, I thought, that was an amazing game. I will definitely buy the next TES single-player game because I feel I fully got my money's worth out of this one and I enjoyed it on so many levels.

I bought Diablo 3 and I played it for 100+ hours. Let's say, because of sheer time put into that game (call it addiction, call it fun, sheer obstinacy, stupidity, whatever you want))  I got my money's worth. When I felt I was done with that game, it was very different than how I felt about Skyrim. I felt like WTF did I just do? That sucked. I hate this game. I will never buy another Diablo game. End of story.

Why the difference?

So yeah, even if you say we got our money's worth out of both  games, the end result is different, at least in the way I feel about the different game franchises and their publishers. Why would that be?

EDIT: It's actually brilliant. Blizzard just got me to work for them (assuming I made extra cash for them via the RMAH) and I paid them for the privilege. Hilarious, really.

Originally posted by 7star

I absolutely understand what you are saying. But let's make a comparison.

I bought a game like, let's say, Skyrim. I played for 100+ hours. Whenever I felt I was done with that game, I thought, that was an amazing game. I will definitely buy the next TES single-player game because I feel I fully got my money's worth out of this one and I enjoyed it on so many levels.

I bought Diablo 3 and I played it for 100+ hours. Let's say, because of sheer time put into that game (call it addiction, call it fun, sheer obstinacy, stupidity, whatever you want))  I got my money's worth. When I felt I was done with that game, it was very different than how I felt about Skyrim. I felt like WTF did I just do? That sucked. I hate this game. I will never buy another Diablo game. End of story.

Why the difference?

So yeah, even if you say we got our money's worth out of both  games, the end result is different, at least in the way I feel about the different game franchises and their publishers. Why would that be?

EDIT: It's actually brilliant. Blizzard just got me to work for them (assuming I made extra cash for them via the RMAH) for over TWO WEEKS (more than 80 hours), and I paid them. Hilarious, really.

And that's really the key difference isn't it. One game is about fun, the other is about manipulating people into a positive feedback loop. And it is rather brilliant on Blizzard's part.

They've sewn some seeds of doubt in their community, yes, but they still have an army of loyal fans yearning for Blizzard's next salt cube. It's pretty disheartening to see. On the one hand we have a lot of fresh ideas / game designs coming out within the next 1-2 years. On the other, we have games saying 'forget about that, here's some awesome, just keep giving us money', and people are either loving it or apathetic enough to go along w/ it.

This could get very bad for the industry as a whole if it picks up. I'm already cringing at the posts we'd be getting on forums like this. 'Waaahh this game charges me for absolutely everything!' 'well Legoegolas, maybe you shouldn't have bought that game 3yrs ago when they were testing to see if they could get away w/ it.'