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Elsabolts
Hard Core Member
Joined: 10/03/06
Life Liberty and the Pursuit of those that would threaten It |
6/28/12 7:05:07 AM#61
Originally posted by rdrpappy Well at least MMORPG won't fall for in game adds. |
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Loktofeit
Elite Member
Joined: 1/13/10
EVE in 2013 - DUST 514, CSM8, Fanfest, 10th Anniversary, Uprising, Odyssey. Gonna be a good year :) |
6/28/12 7:06:42 AM#62
Originally posted by rdrpappy You know MMOs have had this for a decade now, right? filmoret: One thing I have never figured out is why the game devs hardly ever fix simple problems that arise. It is like they don't care about the pvp community. Nitth: What makes you so sure its a simple fix? filmoret: Because most of them are. Sometimes its just changing a number in a code string other times its creating a few variables. However none of them should take over a few hours of coding. |
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6/28/12 7:10:32 AM#63
so, seriously... once again...
what's wrong with people? can't you just "not like" something? do you have to convince everyone your opinion is the only valid one? is it illegal to have another opinion than you guys?
try to accept there is more than one opinion/tase on this world, and your live will be alot easier :>
if you think this game is for kids, you have been spoiled in your youth, my mom would NEVER have bought me the 200 euro edition in my teenage days for example, nor would she have payed for an mmo. that's what you get your own money for, who knows how much, but i doubt it's enough to buy booze/drugs AND mmos... whatever you kids need those days, who knows :)
seriously, those "expensive" offers are actually for people who can afford em, people who work! (so, not me unfortunately hehe) "I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!" |
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6/28/12 7:17:35 AM#64
If you are not happy with the price of the games, the subscription, or the cash shop then don't pay for them. Yes it is that simple... The Enlightened take things Lightly |
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6/28/12 7:20:42 AM#65
I personally don't mind them doing this. The reason is that because of the story, genre and atmosphere (aspects that many rate as key selling points of this game), they have limited their exposure within the market. A co-worker of mine won't play it with his children in the room, because of the constant cursing in quests. I don't imagine he's alone, and the content of the game will limit younger players, where games like WoW thrive on that demographic. This was a design decision to cater to people who wanted something different. A decision to cater to my tastes!
Frankly, even $1 per day is so little for a hobby you enjoy, and that would even give you roughly $15 to spend in the cash shop on non-essentials. Seeing a movie and having dinner with the woman this past Saturday came to about $65...for 3-4 hours. At that price, we can play together for the entire month (a plan she really likes). How is TSW's model a worse value, if you enjoy it?
I support games that are fun, and as I'm enjoying the hell out of TSW, I have no qualms about throwing money at them, so long as they keep giving me a way to de-stress by shooting things in the face.
Cheers!
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6/28/12 7:26:29 AM#66
There is a big difference between releasing a game with a cash+subscription and the game going f2p after 2 years and having a cash shop. subscription plus cash shop is just downright greedy and i will not touch it. its either one or the other not both. |
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6/28/12 7:32:17 AM#67
Originally posted by Istavaan Well you know, you don't have to use the cash shop. All items there are purely cosmetic. All MMOs today have a cash shop, even the subscription based ones.
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6/28/12 7:32:38 AM#68
Originally posted by Areszero You totally miss the point, it's not the cost that worries most people its the fact that you are paying a sub for new content to be developed and alot of it will be put in a cash shop. so they expect you to pay for something you are already paying for every month. |
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6/28/12 7:33:43 AM#69
Originally posted by Areszero I think the cuss words should be the least of his concerns. This game has some pretty fucked up graphical content which should not be viewed by minors (or anyone else for that matter).
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6/28/12 7:35:35 AM#70
Originally posted by Istavaan yea, the mass effect... effect. people hear of DLCs (or in this case cash shop) and they go nutts.
if they would have followed AoC in anyway, this would not have surprised em tho :P funcom does what funcom does. "I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!" |
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6/28/12 7:37:06 AM#71
And the great thing is that you're entitled to your opinion. I'm glad you have found that this isn't for you before you invested. I personally see it as a great value...perhaps because I don't care what the norm is - WoW, SWTOR or whatever game that charges $15 for the sub only... If it's affordable and I enjoy it, I'll do it. For what the game offers, this one works for me. I could penny-pinch, but that's not my style.
Enjoy whatever game you like! /salute |
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6/28/12 7:38:26 AM#72
Originally posted by rdrpappy Please link where they said that they will be selling game changing stuff in the shop? Cos you must have read that somewhere to make a post like this right? Otherwise you should really expose yourself to the world of MMOs before posting on a forum dedicated to them.
Originally posted by Istavaan Expect? Lol dude no one expects you do anything. You have a choice, if you do not like what is on offer then dont buy it period. Besides that your post is totally wrong, you are not paying a sub for new content, you are paying a sub to play the game. They do not develop content to put in the cash shop if Aoc is anything to go by.
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6/28/12 7:39:41 AM#73
Originally posted by tom_gore Thats not the point! development time goes in to designing content for the cash which takes up resources from the normal content. my 15 dollars is still going towards creating cash shop items regardless if i buy stuff from it or not. |
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Loktofeit
Elite Member
Joined: 1/13/10
EVE in 2013 - DUST 514, CSM8, Fanfest, 10th Anniversary, Uprising, Odyssey. Gonna be a good year :) |
6/28/12 7:41:37 AM#74
Originally posted by Istavaan Would you pay for an expansion? filmoret: One thing I have never figured out is why the game devs hardly ever fix simple problems that arise. It is like they don't care about the pvp community. Nitth: What makes you so sure its a simple fix? filmoret: Because most of them are. Sometimes its just changing a number in a code string other times its creating a few variables. However none of them should take over a few hours of coding. |
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6/28/12 7:42:25 AM#75
5 years ago people would have been in uproar over this, today its acceptable..it just shows you how society can be slowly manipulated over time. |
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6/28/12 7:44:31 AM#76
Am i the only one who yawns while reading these topics? |
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6/28/12 7:47:07 AM#77
Originally posted by Istavaan Or the designs for the cash shop are just a by product of making more content. Besides after 8 pages we get it, you don't like cash shops. I've played MMO's since 1997 and I have never bought one thing in cash shops, that simple. Don't like what they are doing, then don't buy game because that is the only way to actually get thru to game companies. Lost revenue! Posting on MMORPG doesn't mean crap to them. I find 15 dollars a month a pretty good bargain considering what I get out of it. If you don't like it, fine, why bitch and whine for weeks about it? get over it and find a game that suits you better...pretty simple! |
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6/28/12 7:51:30 AM#78
Originally posted by Istavaan See, I think this is where you're missing the point. Most development teams (including Funcom) have multiple teams in house dedicated to different things. Writers, animators, coders, DBAs, artists, etc. If the Cash Shop produces revenue, they will likely hire folks specifically to focus on that or re-task teams and backfill. If people don't use it, they can minimize the focus internally, using 1-2 people to occasionally add more items. I've worked with RMT in the Gaming industry, and no business in their right mind are going to jepordize their development cycle to add a shirt for an avatar.
Subs are never going to be 100% dedicated to adding new story/quest/dungeon content. Box sales and subs is for access to the game, that they've invested a great deal of money to already. Whether or not we as consumers continue to pay them depends on if we like the direction they go. They have a vested interest in keeping us engaged, so I don't doubt that content development is a priority. |
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6/28/12 7:52:01 AM#79
Originally posted by Istavaan Dude you pay £15 to play the game, if you dont pay the £15 then you will not be playing. What they do with the money after that is there business not yours. That's like saying the person/place you got the £15 you are paying funcom should decide or have an input on what you spend the £15 on in the first place lol!!! ___________________________________________________________________________________________
There is no such thing as a free lunch. If you want quality then you have to pay for it. Seems more and more people want to have their cake and eat it. If you want to play a game and not pay for it then play minesweep or something, If you don't like the way funcom set out their store then dont buy the game,simples, it is call choice, living in a free world etc. if you want to make a campaign about how every thing should be free/cheap, try and cover all the bases, go to Ferrari forums and ask why their cars are so expensive when a car 100 times cheaper can get you from A to B just the same as a Ferrai. Go to all the top class restaurants and ask them why their food is so expensive, while you are at ask all Pizza dealers why their pizza cost £10 whilst the cost of producing them cost less than a £1 etc etc etc etc etc. |
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6/28/12 7:53:06 AM#80
never looked at tsw cash shop in beta. dont even know where it is in the interface to be honest because i havent looked for it. i can tell you it wasnt in your face like free to play games. i thought it was not active to be honest but other people have said it was.
mmorpgs have been sub plus cash shop for years. paid character transfers, pay for more slots, my little pony mounts, that is all cash shop stuff. I dont see why people are getting so upset about it anyway. if you dont like the cash shop dont use it. its purely cosmetic, no ingame benefits so dont use it, or if you like one of the costumes then use it. as far as ads go, it would make sense in a modern world. like billboards and stuff, we have them in the real world and they get ignored it wouldnt bother me to have it in a game. if it helps their bottom line so they can bring me cool content im good with it. I dont understand why people get so upset about this crap. we all know the sub fee only type game is changing, the companies are having a harder and harder time keeping afloat, as long as the company can keep this kind of stuff appropriate to the game, not overly intrusive and most off all dont sell pay to win stuff in the cash shop then what is the big deal.
some of you dont want these games to make money and succeed yet you wonder why all these games go free to play. they dont get any support because of stupid reasons. if you like the game support it and dont worry about the cash shops and the ads or anything else as long as the gameplay keeps coming. If you dont like the game, well thats fine but just move on instead of bashing it over and over.
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