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  The_ember

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6/27/12 8:20:36 PM#41

Whilst I'm not too concerned with people complaining about their religion being mocked etc. What I do take issue with is the fact that as far as I'm concerned Hi-rez are hypocritical on this issue - it's highly unlikely they'll include any overt Islamic or Christian imagery in SMITE for the reasons mentioned previously in this thread - if they do I'll happily admit I'm wrong.

By all means use whatever Gods and religious figures you want, paint and portray them whatever way you like, just play it down when one religious group complains when it's highly likely you're avoiding some religions for fear of possible outbursts.

 

Also the guy writing the response doesn't really address the issues, he just glosses over the entire thing, so all the God's in the game could possibly be considered Hindu (a questionable notion at best) that doesn't really answer their points about images of still-worshipped deities being used in a way that is clearly for monetary gain (i.e. a video game).

As I said before, I'm not personally taking issue with the "depicting religious figures" thing, I'm all for people creating whatever the hell they want - free speech and all that - but it just seems like Hi-rez are:

a) a little hypocritical

b) dodging the actual complaint by responding in an incredibly vague manner.

  Istavaan

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6/27/12 8:21:13 PM#42

hi rez think putting jesus in the game would be too offensive but they have no problem offending hindus i guess..hypocrites

  Leethe

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6/27/12 8:26:25 PM#43
Originally posted by Istavaan

hi rez think putting jesus in the game would be too offensive but they have no problem offending hindus i guess..hypocrites

While true to a point, putting the archangel Michael in would be more appropriate.

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  Cetra

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6/27/12 8:30:29 PM#44

Those ppl should stop playing GAMES and stick to real lfie.

  Destai

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6/27/12 9:11:52 PM#45
Originally posted by xenogias
Originally posted by Destai

I would love to see a company or celebrity who has offended a group of people to tell them to get over it. It's sacred to you, fine, it's not sacred to everyone. I can't believe in this day and age people still get upset about others making fun of their religion. It's a game and it includes religions from the spectrum of human beliefs. I would consider the developers respectful because they are actually acknowledging the legitimacy of that religion on the course of human events. 

What do you mean "in this day and age people still get upset"? In "this day and age" you cant say or do ANYTHING that would offend another person without having to worry about a lawsuit, complaint, or a suicide bomber showing up on your doorstep. Fact is, no matter what you do, what you say, what your intent is, its going to piss someone off.

I am hoping this day and age is marked by the progression of Enlightenment values. But you are correct, people being butthurt is a fact of life these days. They need more to worry about, take their minds off of silly things. 

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  KhinRunite

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6/27/12 9:41:45 PM#46

I'm Catholic and I feel a bit eerie imagining Jesus Christ in a battle arena type game. It's not because I don't like seeing Jesus put into a game, in fact, I've had some rough designs for biblical themed adventure RPGs. It's just that the Jesus that was portrayed in the Bible is first and foremost a human, and secondly a very peaceful person. His personality just doesn't fit for this type of game IMO. The most wrathful I've seen of him is when he overturned the vendors' stands at the temple...

I guess the more fitting entries for this game would be the ArchAngels of Heaven. I can also imagine Yahweh to be participating, but he's OP...unlike the ones from Greek mythologies, where each God only has certain specialties.

Also the name Jesus Christ doesn't fit.

  Tuchaka

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6/27/12 9:47:39 PM#47

i think they are being too sensitive ....the world is going to have a diversity of opinions on a wide range of issues....such is life... this is yet another subtle demand that people pay the same reverance for their dieties that they do.

   I don't flip out every time i see someone make fun of my personal beliefs in the media be it in games or movies because i am not seeking to have my views reflected back to me , i have choices as a consumer If i don't like some show or some game for whatever reason i can choose not to participate.

  Ultimatley if you don't play the game it doesn't affect you how any particular hindu figure is portrayed. If someone is not insulting you personally for what you believe who cares.  I freequently see ideas i find important mocked in the media but do i get all bent out of shape, and arange a boycot or look for someone to sue, hell no i am too busy living my life to worry about if someone out there doesn't agree with me....

  Razeekster

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6/27/12 11:06:09 PM#48

I find his response to be very rude. He just basically told the Hindus "screw you and your opinions." Their religion is no less important than anyother religion. If he's going to use their gods he needs to use ALL of the gods, indlucing god and Jesus himself. Otherwise he's being a giant hypocrite.

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  GTwander

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6/27/12 11:13:08 PM#49
Originally posted by Razeekster

I find his response to be very rude. He just basically told the Hindus "screw you and your opinions." Their religion is no less important than anyother religion. If he's going to use their gods he needs to use ALL of the gods, indlucing god and Jesus himself. Otherwise he's being a giant hypocrite.

I don't think anything he said was all that insulting, but trying to philosophise and then say "ponder that a minute" is just asking for it. There wouldn't even be a brief pause before a zealot yells "Rabble! Rabble, Rabble!".

As for Jesus/God being a playable deity, it simply doesn't work because using Jesus would be akind to putting Buddha or Ghandi in a battle arena game. Unless the theme of the game is 'total irony' it simply doesn't work. Plus, all hindu gods have tons of visual representations in books and murals, while the visual ideal of God and angels were ripped from visual representations of Zeus and Nike, respectively. The former already being in-game.

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  rojoArcueid

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6/27/12 11:20:58 PM#50

Well said Mister Todd Harris.

i hate when game developers screw their own games because a specific group of people that wont even play the game complain about a feature of said game. There have been many cases like this but Todd is the one with the best answer and actually leaving their game intact.

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6/27/12 11:22:25 PM#51
Originally posted by Rednecksith

I'm still waiting for them to include deities from Abrahamic religions. There's really no reason to exclude them when there's deities from other active religions in the game. Why should Islam and Christianity be exempt?

Mainly because Abrahamic religious figures like Jesus, Muhammad or Allah are too broad in the scope of their powers to fit into the niche neccesary to be a character in a game like this. However, if you dig deeper into Jewish and Islamic mythology (in contrast to religion) you'll find characters like Lillith and the Angel of Death who work brillianly as video game characters.

  Destai

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6/27/12 11:26:07 PM#52
Originally posted by Razeekster

I find his response to be very rude. He just basically told the Hindus "screw you and your opinions." Their religion is no less important than anyother religion. If he's going to use their gods he needs to use ALL of the gods, indlucing god and Jesus himself. Otherwise he's being a giant hypocrite.

Can you explain why their religion should be exempt from a game? They don't own their religion - no one does. They don't have  a copyright on those Gods and cannot control how they are portrayed. Furthermore, you know what happens when someone gets offended? Nothing. They can choose to be upset or ignore the game and move on with their lives. 

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  Swammy22

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6/27/12 11:31:40 PM#53

I think any MMORPG game based on the bible would have to be a sandbox game. That way you could create and then destroy your creations because they do something you don't like! It would be the ulitimate crafting game!

  maplestone

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6/27/12 11:37:23 PM#54

I'd actually be more worried if we started seeing the reverse - religious groups actively lobbying games to *include* overtly religious elements.

  Politicaldad

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6/28/12 1:38:43 AM#55

You wont see Islam/Christian in the game due to one reason really....

 

The RABID fanatic sects of each.....

the Christians will sue you to heaven and back ...

the Islams will blow-up your house and family.....

 

 

  GTwander

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6/28/12 1:43:21 AM#56
Originally posted by Politicaldad

You wont see Islam/Christian in the game due to one reason really....

 

The RABID fanatic sects of each.....

the Christians will sue you to heaven and back ...

the Islams will blow-up your house and family.....

Scientologist will sue to Zenu and back, Christians will just create a negative PR blockade that hits every major broadcasting agency.

~on the other hand, what can hindus possibly do? A song and dance number? /rimshot

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  Ramanadjinn

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6/28/12 1:47:28 AM#57
Originally posted by Lumbrales

You know that no one believes in greek mithology, right?

 

this is untrue.  some religions still revere or respect the old gods.  i'll not weigh on the debate on whether that is acceptable or fathomable to you or this game studio.  but it is what it is.

  GTwander

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6/28/12 3:45:34 AM#58
Originally posted by etlar
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You're treading dangerous woods atm...

Quick! Tell a joke!

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6/28/12 3:51:14 AM#59
Originally posted by GTwander
Originally posted by etlar
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You're treading dangerous woods atm...

Quick! Tell a joke!

It had to be said, you cant in  your right mind say: that guy with the thundering hammer 3000 years ago is fantasy,

but that guy who walks on water/can fly 2000 years ago is real.

Just dont make no sense, now theres the joke for you ;)

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6/28/12 3:57:43 AM#60

Quick, Johnny!

Play us out of this mess!

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