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News & Features Discussion  » Neverwinter: STO & Champions Online Lifetimers Get Beta Access

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  Torvaldr

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6/27/12 11:04:22 AM#41
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by MMOGamer71

Nice PR move.

Not sure how people that paid for a lifetime subscription = qualified for Beta testing.  Sounds like another Beta test being used for a game demo.

As opposed to every other gamer who wants to beta test being qualified?  I'm pretty sure serious testers that can provide professional services have already been chosen and have been testing.

Late beta testers can provide some feedback on what they like or don't like, provide load stress testing, and metrics that a smaller pool can't.  There's not a lot of qualifications it takes to do this other than, 'can you log into a game successfully'.  After that point they're just as qualified as every other armchair expert.

Beta testers should be determined by CPU specs not players that bought lifetime subscription to a game on a computer system they had 3 years ago.

How does CPU specs qualify a person to be a tester?  That would only be relevant with relation to hardware testing and has nothing to do with personal qualifications.

You can still buy permanent subscriber status so it's not just people who bought this three years ago.

What makes someone qualified to beta test?  What do you really think they're after with this test pool?

If you really need an answer to this google it.

I see.  You don't have an answer.  This is a discussion forum.  How about you answer the question or just admit that it was a bullshit answer.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Gurpslord

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You can't be a hero hiding underneath your bed.

6/27/12 11:09:04 AM#42

Yeah, well at least people who play STO and CO get a bone thrown to 'em then.  Something to try and take away that sour taste of lifetime subscription regret?

 

Assuming NWN doesn't suck up a storm..

Advice: Don't buy the lifetime sub!

  korat102

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6/27/12 11:24:05 AM#43

I wouldn't buy a lifetime sub now but I thought it was the right thing to do back then. I bought it for CO just before release and I'm happy that I got my money's worth out of it. In fact, I got my money's worth before it went F2P and, with the monthly stipend (or whatever you want to call it), they're more or less paying me to play now...

  Talonsin

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6/27/12 11:26:36 AM#44
Originally posted by DeserttFoxx
Originally posted by Chase187666

Not going to lie, Im jealous lol

Dont be, that is a 300 dollar beta key.

I'll sell you mine for $200   :(

  MMOGamer71

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Joined: 11/12/07
Posts: 1642

6/27/12 11:27:29 AM#45
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by MMOGamer71

Nice PR move.

Not sure how people that paid for a lifetime subscription = qualified for Beta testing.  Sounds like another Beta test being used for a game demo.

As opposed to every other gamer who wants to beta test being qualified?  I'm pretty sure serious testers that can provide professional services have already been chosen and have been testing.

Late beta testers can provide some feedback on what they like or don't like, provide load stress testing, and metrics that a smaller pool can't.  There's not a lot of qualifications it takes to do this other than, 'can you log into a game successfully'.  After that point they're just as qualified as every other armchair expert.

Beta testers should be determined by CPU specs not players that bought lifetime subscription to a game on a computer system they had 3 years ago.

How does CPU specs qualify a person to be a tester?  That would only be relevant with relation to hardware testing and has nothing to do with personal qualifications.

You can still buy permanent subscriber status so it's not just people who bought this three years ago.

What makes someone qualified to beta test?  What do you really think they're after with this test pool?

If you really need an answer to this google it.

I see.  You don't have an answer.  This is a discussion forum.  How about you answer the question or just admit that it was a bullshit answer.

You see Beta tests are to test the software on minimum spec hardware not the player.  Just stop with your worthless, clueless bullshit responses.

  Talonsin

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6/27/12 11:31:34 AM#46
Originally posted by MMOGamer71

Nice PR move.

 

Not sure how people that paid for a lifetime subscription = qualified for Beta testing.  Sounds like another Beta test being used for a game demo.

Sounds like a bit of sour grapes to me.  Would it help you to know I have a lifetime sub to one of those games and will not be participating in the Neverwinter beta?  I'm even worse than non-qualified, I'm non-participative! 

  Talonsin

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6/27/12 11:33:12 AM#47
Originally posted by MMOGamer71

You see Beta tests are to test the software on minimum spec hardware not the player.  Just stop with your worthless, clueless bullshit responses.

So basically you are saying that since you have a crappy computer that your grandma gave you, you are a qualified beta tester?

  KamiKazeTG

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Joined: 4/11/05
Posts: 58

6/27/12 11:37:59 AM#48
Originally posted by MMOGamer71

You see Beta tests are to test the software on minimum spec hardware not the player.  Just stop with your worthless, clueless bullshit responses.

Pretty sure the "qualifications" for being a Beta Tester are:

1. Have a computer

2. Have a keyboard for said computer

3. Able to type on said computer with said keyboard

4 (Optional). Computer is able to run currently tested game

 

You'd be surprised at how many bugs you can get tracked down by tossing random monkeys at a piece of software. If you go out looking for specifically hardcore gamers or experienced beta testers and no one else, you're likely to miss a great deal of 'for granted' problems. Not that it matters though..because Cryptic (or PWE) aren't really known for their ability to listen to the players. There's STILL bugs in STO/CO that have been sitting in queue since release. I'm a lifer and reported a few hundred bugs during beta..most of them are still pending.

They're just looking to get as many random people as possible to make sure it's at least partially playable..so that they can stick a shop in it and be good to go. Anyone that doesn't realize this yet hasn't played a Cryptic game..or they selectively remember. Not that I blame them..money is money. I still have moderate fun on their games..regardless. I'm not looking for lifechanging events...just boredom passing for a few hours.

  MMOGamer71

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Joined: 11/12/07
Posts: 1642

6/27/12 11:42:49 AM#49

Originally posted by Talonsin

Originally posted by MMOGamer71

Nice PR move.

 

Not sure how people that paid for a lifetime subscription = qualified for Beta testing.  Sounds like another Beta test being used for a game demo.

Sounds like a bit of sour grapes to me.  Would it help you to know I have a lifetime sub to one of those games and will not be participating in the Neverwinter beta?  I'm even worse than non-qualified, I'm non-participative! 

Originally posted by Talonsin

Originally posted by MMOGamer71

You see Beta tests are to test the software on minimum spec hardware not the player.  Just stop with your worthless, clueless bullshit responses.

So basically you are saying that since you have a crappy computer that your grandma gave you, you are a qualified beta tester?

Sour grapes?  LMAO.  How about learning what Beta testing is for, but I guess when you view Beta as a free trial you get your response.

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  Dauzqul

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6/27/12 1:28:47 PM#50

Cryptic = Nickel & Diming Company w/ poor game development.

 

There is a reason for these little offers.

  Zekiah

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3. swindle, deception, or trick.

6/27/12 1:30:40 PM#51

You couldn't pay me to test this game after playing their STO casino cash-grab.

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  Zorgo

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Joined: 12/05/05
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Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

6/27/12 6:00:26 PM#52
Originally posted by TheOctagon
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by TheOctagon
Hey Folks,

Just a quick note on this: Please remember that we will be phasing in CBT participants, including CO and STO Lifetime subscribers as the beta progresses. This means that you may not receive Beta access on day one of the Closed Beta Test if you are a lifetime subscriber of Champions or Star Trek. You may need to wait awhile.

That said, I promise you will gain access to the Closed Beta.

Thanks,

Stormshade

So even if your a lifetime subscriber, your not guaranteed to get in.

 

Isn't that false advertising?

I think you misread.....

or do you think that because it isn't access to every stage of beta that you think makes it false?

Thats exactly what I think. I have two lifetime subs to STO and CO. But because I don't live within a 10 minute drive of PAX, some guy thats played neither, nor spent his money on either will get in ahead of me?

I suppose its not false advertising. Just poor  customer relations.

Well, if it is any consolation, unless you truly want to 'test' an unfinished product, there isn't much of a benefit in being in the first stages of beta.

Those people aren't having fun, they are slogging through bugs and performance issues and unfinished/unedited quest text, etc. until last stages of beta.

And then, as soon as it gets to be entertaining, they delete your toon and the game goes live.

Really, to have the earliest access to beta isn't a real selling point to me at all.

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 6013

6/27/12 11:37:32 PM#53
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by TheOctagon
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by TheOctagon
Hey Folks,

Just a quick note on this: Please remember that we will be phasing in CBT participants, including CO and STO Lifetime subscribers as the beta progresses. This means that you may not receive Beta access on day one of the Closed Beta Test if you are a lifetime subscriber of Champions or Star Trek. You may need to wait awhile.

That said, I promise you will gain access to the Closed Beta.

Thanks,

Stormshade

So even if your a lifetime subscriber, your not guaranteed to get in.

Isn't that false advertising?

I think you misread.....

or do you think that because it isn't access to every stage of beta that you think makes it false?

Thats exactly what I think. I have two lifetime subs to STO and CO. But because I don't live within a 10 minute drive of PAX, some guy thats played neither, nor spent his money on either will get in ahead of me?

I suppose its not false advertising. Just poor  customer relations.

Well, if it is any consolation, unless you truly want to 'test' an unfinished product, there isn't much of a benefit in being in the first stages of beta.

Those people aren't having fun, they are slogging through bugs and performance issues and unfinished/unedited quest text, etc. until last stages of beta.

And then, as soon as it gets to be entertaining, they delete your toon and the game goes live.

Really, to have the earliest access to beta isn't a real selling point to me at all.

That's really what testing is about: finding glitches, providing metrics, feedback about usability and gameplay, running various scenarios, load testing and such.

People like to test because they want to make the software better.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Zorgo

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Joined: 12/05/05
Posts: 2234

Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

6/28/12 12:09:47 AM#54
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by TheOctagon
Originally posted by Zorgo

Well, if it is any consolation, unless you truly want to 'test' an unfinished product, there isn't much of a benefit in being in the first stages of beta.

Those people aren't having fun, they are slogging through bugs and performance issues and unfinished/unedited quest text, etc. until last stages of beta.

And then, as soon as it gets to be entertaining, they delete your toon and the game goes live.

Really, to have the earliest access to beta isn't a real selling point to me at all.

That's really what testing is about: finding glitches, providing metrics, feedback about usability and gameplay, running various scenarios, load testing and such.

People like to test because they want to make the software better.

Wow, if only I had said that .../wink.

  Talonsin

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6/28/12 11:47:32 PM#55
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  DarkWays

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6/28/12 11:50:38 PM#56

Well this could be the first time I get something I like out of the silly lifetime sub on STO....

  zWolf

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Posts: 88

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7/03/12 11:06:47 AM#57
Originally posted by MMOGamer71

Nice PR move.

 

Not sure how people that paid for a lifetime subscription = qualified for Beta testing.  Sounds like another Beta test being used for a game demo.

'Beta Test' has been used as 'game demo' since before the turn of the century... is that really news to you?  

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  Viktormon

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7/03/12 11:41:03 AM#58

Nice, looks like I get double, preordered Torchlight 2, AND Champions Online lifetimed!

I do look forward to this game a lot.

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