Why sold??

Dust 514 is F2P with Itemshop....

You guys will have to get your hands on the game as well but... yea... it needs a little more something.

I simply cannot understand.

1) What is the life span of an console FPS? One year, perhaps two, or until the next Call Of Duty comes out.

2) Who plays FPSes on a console? Kids and people who are new to gaming.

2b) Who plays FPSes with a console controller?

Given the above why would you then develop an FPS on a console that you want to link to your PC game?

Who are you target audience? You want Eve players to communicate with Dust players, no? Eve has big corps and alliances, they are experienced and seriuos gamers, who in the FPS world are similar? Definitely not console FPS players. Think FPS clans on the PC.

If I was at CCP and was tasked with making an FPS to link to Eve, I would immediately think of targeting all the dedicated FPS players on the PC, you know, the ones that buy hyper-sensitive mice and £30 mouse mats. The ones that will play a good FPS game for years and years. Already established FPS clans that play with purpose.

I would look at the success of PlanetSide and make Dust a similar but better experience, a squad based FPS with vehicles  as well as rpg elements of classes and skills etc,etc..

You got to wonder how CCP got this so wrong, were they enticed by perhaps the promise of big payout for producing a console game? If they produced an awesome squad based FPS with RPG elements then they could actually charge a sub for it as does Planetside or allow the payment of one sub that allows access to both Eve and Dust, thus bringing in more people to Eve and still make a buck at the same time.

CCP has dropped the ball on this one i am afraid.

I agree with all the negative responses to this, I have nothing more to say except if this were on PC and was a little less sluggish with more colour then perhaps it could have competed with planetside 2. Instead this will get drowned. Besides Playstation 4 in a year or so?

Originally posted by Kabaal

Originally posted by Minsc

/facepalm

1st of all. the game is F2P, there is no box price. 2nd of all there are already lots of poeple on PS3 who are excited about dust so there is plenty of interest in the game. The game has already gotten all of the MAG community as well as a large portion of the Killzone and BF community onboard. There ARE a lot of people who are drawn to the persistance aspect of the game so as long as the shooter gameplay is solid the game will do fine.

As for the gameplay feeling slow I don't know if I agree with that. They are still making many tweaks to it and the game is far from feature complete. Plus once the game truly ties into EVE then it will feel more in the EVE universe.

That's a bit of a bold statement, you sound a bit like a fanatic.

What exactly is bold about my statement? If you go to the dust514.org site you can see quite a large community that has been building since before the game was announced officially.

Originally posted by VultureSkull

I simply cannot understand.

1) What is the life span of an console FPS? One year, perhaps two, or until the next Call Of Duty comes out.

2) Who plays FPSes on a console? Kids and people who are new to gaming.

2b) Who plays FPSes with a console controller?

 

Given the above why would you then develop an FPS on a console that you want to link to your PC game?

More people actually play fps's on console than pc

Who are you target audience? You want Eve players to communicate with Dust players, no? Eve has big corps and alliances, they are experienced and seriuos gamers, who in the FPS world are similar? Definitely not console FPS players. Think FPS clans on the PC.

FPS Clans on PC are exactly the same as on Console, stop being elitist (I am a PC FPS player)

If I was at CCP and was tasked with making an FPS to link to Eve, I would immediately think of targeting all the dedicated FPS players on the PC, you know, the ones that buy hyper-sensitive mice and £30 mouse mats. The ones that will play a good FPS game for years and years. Already established FPS clans that play with purpose.

They can still release on PC. I'm sure that's part of the reason they are including M + K support on PS3, for cross-platform play. And PC FPS players these days are just as fickle as console players when a new shooter comes along. The fact is that there has never been a FPS with the potential longevity as EVE besides maybe the original planetside because no FPS has had the same kind of persistance attached to it. So we really have nothing to compare it to.

I would look at the success of PlanetSide and make Dust a similar but better experience, a squad based FPS with vehicles  as well as rpg elements of classes and skills etc,etc..

You got to wonder how CCP got this so wrong, were they enticed by perhaps the promise of big payout for producing a console game? If they produced an awesome squad based FPS with RPG elements then they could actually charge a sub for it as does Planetside or allow the payment of one sub that allows access to both Eve and Dust, thus bringing in more people to Eve and still make a buck at the same time.

CCP has dropped the ball on this one i am afraid.

Originally posted by VultureSkull

I simply cannot understand.

1) What is the life span of an console FPS? One year, perhaps two, or until the next Call Of Duty comes out.

2) Who plays FPSes on a console? Kids and people who are new to gaming.

2b) Who plays FPSes with a console controller?

 

Given the above why would you then develop an FPS on a console that you want to link to your PC game?

Who are you target audience? You want Eve players to communicate with Dust players, no? Eve has big corps and alliances, they are experienced and seriuos gamers, who in the FPS world are similar? Definitely not console FPS players. Think FPS clans on the PC.

If I was at CCP and was tasked with making an FPS to link to Eve, I would immediately think of targeting all the dedicated FPS players on the PC, you know, the ones that buy hyper-sensitive mice and £30 mouse mats. The ones that will play a good FPS game for years and years. Already established FPS clans that play with purpose.

I would look at the success of PlanetSide and make Dust a similar but better experience, a squad based FPS with vehicles  as well as rpg elements of classes and skills etc,etc..

You got to wonder how CCP got this so wrong, were they enticed by perhaps the promise of big payout for producing a console game? If they produced an awesome squad based FPS with RPG elements then they could actually charge a sub for it as does Planetside or allow the payment of one sub that allows access to both Eve and Dust, thus bringing in more people to Eve and still make a buck at the same time.

CCP has dropped the ball on this one i am afraid.

 

Spot on.

Originally posted by Zeroxin

You guys will have to get your hands on the game as well but... yea... it needs a little more something.

That's what I'm afraid of.  We all know CCP can do a hell of an mmoRPG, but a shooter?  Are they really big shooter fans?  Do they have any idea what they're doing in that area?  I have no idea, but they're going to have some major competition, and the playerbase they're targetting doesn't care about EVE, they'll just play whichever shooter is the most fun.

Fingers are still crossed, but for me, the first red flag is that they're trying to sell cash shop content now, based on hype, before the game releases, before people have a chance to be disappointed.  Doesn't prove anything, but it's just not a good sign..

Originally posted by Corehaven

Besides Dust PS3 players wanting an mmofps feel have Mag (which I heard wasnt incredibly special) and maybe a few others.  I dont think Dust 514 will just dominate the PS3 FPS fans, but PS3 owners will dabble and many will probably play it regularly.  Only because the lack of other options. 

 

I ended up selling my ps3, but the entire time I had it MAG was the only game I thought was worth a damn at the time.

I did play Uncharted, and Resistance, and all the other fanboy titles and I didn't think any of them were too good, but MAG was amazing and I am quite honestly surprised it didn't do better. I didn't play at launch though, so it is possible that like every MMO ever released it had a shitty launch.

Originally posted by Minsc

/facepalm

1st of all. the game is F2P, there is no box price. 2nd of all there are already lots of poeple on PS3 who are excited about dust so there is plenty of interest in the game. The game has already gotten all of the MAG community as well as a large portion of the Killzone and BF community onboard. There ARE a lot of people who are drawn to the persistance aspect of the game so as long as the shooter gameplay is solid the game will do fine.

I think you hit the nail what the problem is with DUST.

When the next "big FPS" for PS3 is published, everyone will leave DUST for the next "big FPS".

Simple as that.

Currently they have an offer where you can buy some in game items for $19.99 and get into the beta, this is similar to what other games are doing. 

HOWEVER, DUST is still only doing BETA weekends, these other games are in persistant beta, DOTA/SMITE etc, I don't think it's good practice to be charging people for weekend beta access, I can already sense the rage on the PS forums when people buy this and realise the beta is only running every second weekend.

Originally posted by Z3R01

 

That's right CCP!!! Way to go!

Lets make a FPS and develop it for the PS3.

Lets completely ignore the fact that Eve players are on PC

Lets ignore all the suggestion posts of Eve evolving into Ground based Fps/Vehicle combat over planetary control.

Last I checked the 300-400k accounts that give CCP money are all on PC, The people that buy the books, the mechandise and goto your stupid fanfest are all on PC.

This game even if it was mediocre would have sold like hotcakes ON PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I dont know who makes the decisions over there at CCP but not delivering this game to their PC customer base is pure stupidity!!!!!!!!!!

 

./rant over

haha

QFT

Unfortunately the NDA prevents me from defending this game...

Lets just say that EvE was trashed plenty before and on release. Problem was that they saw the game through the lens of what they knew, so most compared it partially to Elite and partially to Ultima Online, and through that lens, yeah, it sucked.

Of course they did not, (nor did most players tbh) see what they where really playing.

Time proved them wrong.

I think history is about to repeat itself. Thus prepare for major trashing of DUST 514 in the coming months.

If Dust was on PC and not PS3 it would still be bad.

The platform it is on has absolutely nothing to do with the problems of Dust.

Dust is bad down to its core.

CCP tried to make a First Person Shooter and failed.

The fault and blame lies with CCP and not the PS3.

I'm not sure why EvE players are so upset.  I mean Dust is an FPS.  If you're playing EvE, it's nothing like an FPS.  Hell I don't even know what it is.  I just know that I hated it.  Game companies are allowed to make games for whatever platform they want and CCP decided to make theirs on the PS3.  They also decided it was going to be based kind of on the EvE lore?  <-- don't know don't care about that bit.  Anyway, the game is obviously not for you, so what are you so upset about?

Originally posted by seniorfrito

I'm not sure why EvE players are so upset.  I mean Dust is an FPS.  If you're playing EvE, it's nothing like an FPS.  Hell I don't even know what it is.  I just know that I hated it.  Game companies are allowed to make games for whatever platform they want and CCP decided to make theirs on the PS3.  They also decided it was going to be based kind of on the EvE lore?  <-- don't know don't care about that bit.  Anyway, the game is obviously not for you, so what are you so upset about?

This website is always upset, without exception. No matter the game, there are plenty of people who just log on to MMORPG.com to let out an endless stream of hate.

The link in the OP is a bit old. Here's a newer one if anyone is wondering.

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/video-game-shows/this-week-in-mmo-show/this-week-in-mmo-e3-mmo-wrap-up/

(40:00min)

Originally posted by hfztt

Unfortunately the NDA prevents me from defending this game...

Lets just say that EvE was trashed plenty before and on release. Problem was that they saw the game through the lens of what they knew, so most compared it partially to Elite and partially to Ultima Online, and through that lens, yeah, it sucked.

Of course they did not, (nor did most players tbh) see what they where really playing.

Time proved them wrong.

I think history is about to repeat itself. Thus prepare for major trashing of DUST 514 in the coming months.

Eve trashed or not is not the issue. Eve is not the issue, What they could do with a SPACE game, which there was what? 2 at the time? and now about the same?

EVE has led a blessed life, being almost alone in an entire genre.

They are trying to get into an entirely new (very, very crowded) category of gaming and doing it by forgeting where their money is coming from. THAT is the issue:)

Originally posted by Minsc

/facepalm

1st of all. the game is F2P, there is no box price. 2nd of all there are already lots of poeple on PS3 who are excited about dust so there is plenty of interest in the game. The game has already gotten all of the MAG community as well as a large portion of the Killzone and BF community onboard. There ARE a lot of people who are drawn to the persistance aspect of the game so as long as the shooter gameplay is solid the game will do fine.

As for the gameplay feeling slow I don't know if I agree with that. They are still making many tweaks to it and the game is far from feature complete. Plus once the game truly ties into EVE then it will feel more in the EVE universe.