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  jdnyc

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6/26/12 12:56:48 PM#21
Originally posted by darwa
 

With VAT included, yes.

I'm ignoring your second question as it has no semblance to what I said.

Actually yes it does.  See if you pay 8.99 for a sub.  VAT then taken out...that's less money that Funcom gets from having a UK subscriber than they get from a US subscriber.  You're saying they should eat the VAT like other companies because that's how it always was.

So it has everything to do with the point and explains why you're paying a little more for a sub vs. US.

 

  ShakyMo

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6/26/12 12:57:19 PM#22
Err he's including the Exchange rate when converting £ to $
  darwa

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6/26/12 12:59:07 PM#23
Originally posted by rawfox
 

I can only guess its because the english pound isnt worth that mutch anymore.

 

It's currently joint fifth in terms of  value, so it cannot be that.

  ShakyMo

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6/26/12 1:00:10 PM#24
We are paying more than 15% more than usa. We are paying 28% more. VAT is not 28% in the UK (it might be in Europe, but it ain't here). It looks to me like they converted $ to € then converted € to £ rather than a direct conversion. Anyway how come usa gamers get away with not paying local sales tax?
  darwa

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6/26/12 1:00:28 PM#25
Originally posted by jdnyc
Originally posted by darwa
 

With VAT included, yes.

I'm ignoring your second question as it has no semblance to what I said.

Actually yes it does.  See if you pay 8.99 for a sub.  VAT then taken out...that's less money that Funcom gets from having a UK subscriber than they get from a US subscriber.  You're saying they should eat the VAT like other companies because that's how it always was.

So it has everything to do with the point and explains why you're paying a little more for a sub vs. US.

 

Look in the (undeservedly) locked topic on this subject. It explains that VAT isn't taken from anywhere. There's no need to go over it again.

  Panthien

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6/26/12 1:03:05 PM#26
Originally posted by ShakyMo
We are paying more than 15% more than usa. We are paying 28% more. VAT is not 28% in the UK (it might be in Europe, but it ain't here). It looks to me like they converted $ to € then converted € to £ rather than a direct conversion. Anyway how come usa gamers get away with not paying local sales tax?

We can put a twist to your reasoning, why is the US and Europe paying more for every other mmo then the UK. Every mmo sub is around 15usd, the UK pays give or take 13.5 usd.

  Yalexy

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6/26/12 1:09:38 PM#27

Sales tax in the UK are 20%. In Germany it's 19%, France has 19.6%, 23% Finland, etc. So UK hasn't any higher sales tax then the rest of europe actually.

And now let's convert the currencies, shall we?

€1 = £0.8

So €15 should be £12, which funnily enough is exactly the prices Funcom is asking for.

Brits should really stop complaining and face the truth that you've been paying way too less for the last ten years, especially for PC-games.
Brits were subsidized for the last 20 years allready, and it's damn time to stop this crap.

  jdnyc

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6/26/12 1:24:20 PM#28

$15 = £9.59

£9.59 + VAT (19%) = £11.49

So the question is charging 19% VAT correct or not?

well let's find out.

According to this...http://www.crazysquirrel.com/finance/vat-calculator.jspx

It's 17.5%

That means at this moment it should be £11.27

Factoring in inflation and market (prices change) £11.49  does not seem that rediculous of a difference.

 

 

  stragen001

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6/26/12 1:24:20 PM#29
Originally posted by Yalexy

Sales tax in the UK are 20%. In Germany it's 19%, France has 19.6%, 23% Finland, etc. So UK hasn't any higher sales tax then the rest of europe actually.

And now let's convert the currencies, shall we?

€1 = £0.8

So €15 should be £12, which funnily enough is exactly the prices Funcom is asking for.

Brits should really stop complaining and face the truth that you've been paying way too less for the last ten years, especially for PC-games.
Brits were subsidized for the last 20 years allready, and it's damn time to stop this crap.

And $15 INCLUDING SALES TAX converted to £ using the current exchange rate of $1 = £0.6 means TSW sub in the UK should be £9.60 INCLUDING SALES TAX / VAT

A little more than the standard £8.99 for every other MMO but still doesnt explain why they are charging £11.49

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  Yalexy

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6/26/12 1:26:25 PM#30


Originally posted by stragen001

Originally posted by Yalexy Sales tax in the UK are 20%. In Germany it's 19%, France has 19.6%, 23% Finland, etc. So UK hasn't any higher sales tax then the rest of europe actually. And now let's convert the currencies, shall we? €1 = £0.8 So €15 should be £12, which funnily enough is exactly the prices Funcom is asking for. Brits should really stop complaining and face the truth that you've been paying way too less for the last ten years, especially for PC-games. Brits were subsidized for the last 20 years allready, and it's damn time to stop this crap.
And $15 INCLUDING SALES TAX converted to £ using the current exchange rate of $1 = £0.6 means TSW sub in the UK should be £9.60 INCLUDING SALES TAX / VAT

A little more than the standard £8.99 for every other MMO but still doesnt explain why they are charging £11.49


Listed US$ prices don't include taxes. There's your problem.

So to calculate correctly it would be $15 = £9.75 + 20% sales tax = £11.7

Something else you wanna proof wrong? Funcom is charging exactly the same amunt of money for every currency. Brits only rabble, because they were subsidized during the last 10 years, having paid too little.

  jdnyc

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6/26/12 1:30:25 PM#31
Originally posted by stragen001
 

And $15 INCLUDING SALES TAX

Sales Tax varies from state to state.  Government law dictates that if you buy something online and the place of business resides in said state, you pay sales tax.  I live in New York and order from a company that ships all over the world.  That company is based in New York.  I have to pay the f'n sales tax for city AND state.  It sucks, but that's the breaks.

 

  Thorbrand

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6/26/12 1:30:52 PM#32
Originally posted by Yalexy

 


Originally posted by stragen001

Originally posted by Yalexy Sales tax in the UK are 20%. In Germany it's 19%, France has 19.6%, 23% Finland, etc. So UK hasn't any higher sales tax then the rest of europe actually. And now let's convert the currencies, shall we? €1 = £0.8 So €15 should be £12, which funnily enough is exactly the prices Funcom is asking for. Brits should really stop complaining and face the truth that you've been paying way too less for the last ten years, especially for PC-games. Brits were subsidized for the last 20 years allready, and it's damn time to stop this crap.
And $15 INCLUDING SALES TAX converted to £ using the current exchange rate of $1 = £0.6 means TSW sub in the UK should be £9.60 INCLUDING SALES TAX / VAT

 

A little more than the standard £8.99 for every other MMO but still doesnt explain why they are charging £11.49


 

Listed US$ prices don't include taxes. There's your problem.

So to calculate correctly it would be $15 = £9.75 + 20% sales tax = £11.7

Something else you wanna proof wrong?

I think you have your answer. And yes that is the reason you pay more because you are taxed for it where we are not!

  Panthien

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6/26/12 1:33:46 PM#33
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by Yalexy

Sales tax in the UK are 20%. In Germany it's 19%, France has 19.6%, 23% Finland, etc. So UK hasn't any higher sales tax then the rest of europe actually.

And now let's convert the currencies, shall we?

€1 = £0.8

So €15 should be £12, which funnily enough is exactly the prices Funcom is asking for.

Brits should really stop complaining and face the truth that you've been paying way too less for the last ten years, especially for PC-games.
Brits were subsidized for the last 20 years allready, and it's damn time to stop this crap.

And $15 INCLUDING SALES TAX converted to £ using the current exchange rate of $1 = £0.6 means TSW sub in the UK should be £9.60 INCLUDING SALES TAX / VAT

A little more than the standard £8.99 for every other MMO but still doesnt explain why they are charging £11.49

The question IMO isnt why you are paying more for a sub then the competition in your country, the real question is why have you been paying less for every mmo, then Europe and the US.

Not to mention it makes sense after 10+ years of frozen prices, prices get adjusted, I dont know for you but life didnt get cheaper over the years.

  ShakyMo

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6/26/12 1:41:57 PM#34
$15 at current Exchange rate = £9.59
UK VAT is 20%
So that means £11.51 so the new price looks fair, although its still £1.52 more than any other mmo over here, which are low for historical reason of sterling being a very strong currency during the mmo boom.

We don't have import taxes with Canada (commonwealth), Norway(eu but not Eurozone like us brits) or usa (trade agreements), Ao there are no other taxes.

We were being ripped off at the original £12.99
  Panthien

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6/26/12 1:45:19 PM#35
Originally posted by ShakyMo
$15 at current Exchange rate = £9.59
UK VAT is 20%
So that means £11.51 so the new price looks fair, although its still £1.52 more than any other mmo over here, which are low for historical reason of sterling being a very strong currency during the mmo boom.

We don't have import taxes with Canada (commonwealth), Norway(eu but not Eurozone like us brits) or usa (trade agreements), Ao there are no other taxes.

We were being ripped off at the original £12.99

Paying roughly the same price as everyone else doesnt seem like a rip off to me. You where getting a bargain with the others.

  Istavaan

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6/26/12 1:48:54 PM#36
12.99 EUR = 16.2417 USD

 

  Seravajan

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6/26/12 1:51:02 PM#37


Originally posted by lars1134
Ahh, for those who did not know. Funcom's billing system is out of date. I for example live in The Netherlands. But I told Funcom (in my account management) that I live in The United States. Therefor I can pay the quantities in USD instead of Euros. Saves a lot after a year. I purchased the Lifetime Grandmaster package for 200$ instead of 200 euros. Nice deal huh? Anyhow, try it for yourself.

And how do you manage the thing with the billing address and the credit card? Do you use a virtual address for the US address?

  jdnyc

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6/26/12 1:52:27 PM#38
Originally posted by ShakyMo


We were being ripped off at the original £12.99

That was too high and I agreed with you completely.  I feel the new price is much better and more fair.

  Coranthe

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6/26/12 2:35:47 PM#39

I don't mean to pry really but I was curious what the uproar was all about so I decide to see WHAT exactly VAT was....I nabbed this quote from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax)

 

"The value added to a product by a business is the sale price charged to its customer, minus the cost of materials and other taxable inputs. A VAT is like a sales tax in that ultimately only the end consumer is taxed. It differs from the sales tax in that, with the latter, the tax is collected and remitted to the government only once, at the point of purchase by the end consumer. With the VAT, collections, remittances to the government, and credits for taxes already paid occur each time a business in the supply chain purchases products."

 

Seems to me either way you look at it the end price of doing business is screwing everyone.  Looks like the VAT is providing you guys with an overinflated sense of price.  So technically without the Tax you're paying less than the US and with the Tax you're paying approx. the same.  Someone is getting screwed here but i don't think it's you guys... well you are... but it's like an equal amount of screwing.  Go figure.

 

  lovebug

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6/26/12 2:59:28 PM#40

well funcom games have always been ott in the uk right back to ao days have always be more expensive than any other mmo on the market and looks like funcom games will always be that way :).

 

so i think ill stick with tera for now £7.99 a mouth will be letting secret world pass me by

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