You are incorrect, and yes retailers do spend millions on wasted advertising campaigns. Several people have told you this already.

I am re-iterating this for you now.

If you continue to ignore what people tell you, they will stop listening to you and may even start being rude.

Originally posted by Hoolilol

If they prolongue the release alot ( im talking about december date ) , they will loose customers imo with all of the decent ftp titles comin out. I surely do want a finished product but they were hinting a june release ...and now they are hinting august  / september release .

I don't even really care about that as a whole my focus is lets get some info to the ppl that are going to be playing your game!

Fine you couldnt do 26th of june great but then how about a reason why and possible next date its called "good public relations...thats my biggest beef

2nd please don't state that arena net didnt tell it would be release on the 26th if they didnt tell the public then they told someone retail companies multiple one not just ones dont come up with fantasy dates makes no rationale business sense!

Moving the thread to GW2.

Originally posted by antshock32

Originally posted by Hoolilol

If they prolongue the release alot ( im talking about december date ) , they will loose customers imo with all of the decent ftp titles comin out. I surely do want a finished product but they were hinting a june release ...and now they are hinting august  / september release .

I don't even really care about that as a whole my focus is lets get some info to the ppl that are going to be playing your game!

Fine you couldnt do 26th of june great but then how about a reason why and possible next date its called "good public relations...thats my biggest beef

2nd please don't state that arena net didnt tell it would be release on the 26th if they didnt tell the public then they told someone retail companies multiple one not just ones dont come up with fantasy dates makes no rationale business sense!

First: The reason there is no official release date is because ArenaNet themselves do not know when the game will be released. This means there are many areas in the game that still needs development, and they do not want to set a deadline on this. Right now if they set a release date, two things will happen. 1) release date set too soon. Game needs for fixes than time allows, release game in a less than optimal state. That means bad public relations. 2) release date set too far. Game is ready way before their set release time (typically doesn't happen). So they will change the release date anyways. This also means bad public relations. It is the best to release the game when they know it will be ready, to have it as soon as possible to the players in a good state.

Second: you are again working under this conjecture that ArenaNet told all the game retailers a release date. All evidence I have seen is to the contrary when ArenaNet specifically pointed GameStop or whatever and said they did not give them that date. Do you have any evidence for this? It makes no sense to you because you cannot get away from this assinine assumption.

Originally posted by Hoolilol

If they prolongue the release alot ( im talking about december date ) , they will loose customers imo with all of the decent ftp titles comin out. I surely do want a finished product but they were hinting a june release ...and now they are hinting august  / september release .

They've never hinted any date so far, everything has been either from third party (retailers) or forum speculation. The only dates they've said are "definitively 2012" and "when it's ready" and they've held to both of those long before the pre-purchase began, and they've said both on their FAQs, and almost weekly on twitter and facebook, that there's no firm date other than "2012" yet, that they've never told anyone about any date, and any date anyone says that doesn't come directly from them is just pure speculation.

Eve - WoW - Tera is comming out of my ears.

But i rather wait another year to get a great game then a half developt fail project.

And knowing Anet, they wait and develop it till they think its ready to go.

Must be a wonderfull feeling to not have those suits yelling it needs to be released yesterday :)

I watched a youtube cast from inside their studio and damn it would be heaven on paradise to work in such awesome studio.

Give them time to produce a king of the hill MMO that makes Blizzard weep for the next 10 years.

Originally posted by Xese

Originally posted by antshock32

Please explain why I am wrong if i have a low IQ.....why have we gotten personal here I am as much of support of gw2 as the next but that doesnt mean I have to belv the what arena net is spewing....but my diffrent opnion means I have a low iq or is you dont understand how retail stores and business works ......Or do you belv that million dollar retailers actually have no contact with arena net ? come on man your just silly and make me laugh .....Have you ever worked in a business world and delvering pizza doesnt count...have you ever watched a companies stock go up or down based on pre-orders and sales and cash on hand if not then just be a good fanboi and don't get into big boy discussions.

 

Sorry to the rest of the people on this thread for the harsh words but come on he has a diffrent opinion and since it doesnt agree with mine I have a low iq.....had to say something but apolgize to ever one else who took offense

When you said GameStop or whatever called up ArenaNet and ArenaNet gave them a date, is that conjecture or is there actual evidence? I will assume that it is conjecture since you did not indicate otherwise.

Secondly, with the "millions spent on advertising", Game retailers are not spending much money advertising the games they carry. Did I see any steam advertisements about GW2? Nope. They don't exist. Only game publishers advertise their games. Even the posters and graphics these retailers carry are supplied by the game publishers. All they did is ask someone to put in a rumored release date, which probably took less than 10 minutes and cost them next to nothing. They may have believed it was true, but my opinion is that they didn't bother checking with ArenaNet or if they did, they didn't care if it wasn't the right date.

Why, you might say, should they do this? Because as someone already pointed earlier, it boosts sales. People who are not avidly following the press on games (most casual gamers) see that it is going to release, and go "Sweet! I will buy it now since I will have the game in a week!". I know this happens to players since I refuse to buy Torchlight II without a release date, even if I know it will be a good game.

That person shouldn't have called you stupid or low IQ, but you also should not assume everything you say is true.

Edited for typos.

Okay first this is one person first hand account I walk into my local gamestop and frys both not just one retailer and gamestop has id say 2 or three promotional ads in there store made up so if arena net gave it to them or they made it up them selves someone is lying ...I am not the only one who has seen these posters call your local best buy,frys,games stop ..and not all of the advertising is given to them by the publishers the local paper a week that a store puts out does x company give them that ? no waste of money does the publisher give out maybe a life size fat head of a character playing there game of course but to think that companies don't supply there own advertsing is ridiclous.

But anyway I feel where your coming and where I am coming from but dates don't just appear in companies heads not smart advertising .....heres a example I was not notified that the date had changed by game stop and called them up and they stated it had been pushed back I promptly went online and canceled my pre-order and re-ordered thru other means . I am one of 100s may be thousands who did this !

I do see your side and I think your argument has MERIT but to me if only one store had done this then I would have sided with you but I think about every major retailer had these dates which to me assumes a release date coming from the dev,publisher or janitor at arena.net

THANKS FOR THE COUNTER POINT VERY WELL DESCRIBED IN YOUR REPLY!

40% of the game isn't finished. I don't know why anyone who is looking forward to the game would want it released before it is complete. Not to mention testing! Just crazy sometimes how fans want the product they support to fail.

Originally posted by antshock32

Please explain why I am wrong if i have a low IQ.....why have we gotten personal here I am as much of support of gw2 as the next but that doesnt mean I have to belv the what arena net is spewing....but my diffrent opnion means I have a low iq or is you dont understand how retail stores and business works ......Or do you belv that million dollar retailers actually have no contact with arena net ? come on man your just silly and make me laugh .....Have you ever worked in a business world and delvering pizza doesnt count...have you ever watched a companies stock go up or down based on pre-orders and sales and cash on hand if not then just be a good fanboi and don't get into big boy discussions.

 

Sorry to the rest of the people on this thread for the harsh words but come on he has a diffrent opinion and since it doesnt agree with mine I have a low iq.....had to say something but apolgize to ever one else who took offense

It has been common knowledge to me, and pretty much anyone else who looks at these est. release dates, that they are usually BS until the company has given an official release date.

It doesn't cost retailers money for advertising a release date.  They put a date on their website, people read it, people like you believe it and pre-order.  They are securing a pre-order for them and not some other retailer, which means they actually earn money instead of lose it.

Now, the reason he said you have a low IQ might have something to do with the fact that, in the amount of time you have spent on this site, you have spent quite a bit of it discussing the inconsistancies of the poster child offender for this type of release date shenanigans, and you still don't see a pattern.

Also important is that the 6/26/12 date is most likely based on fan speculation of a "conspiracy" involving numbered sports jerseys hanging in the Anet offices.

Lastly, assuming you are right and others are wrong is a bad habit to get in to.  When one is able to look at what others are saying, and evaluate it regardless of how it differs what you think or believe, one avoids potential instances of "making an ASS out of U and ME".

Originally posted by Thorbrand

40% of the game isn't finished. I don't know why anyone who is looking forward to the game would want it released before it is complete. Not to mention testing! Just crazy sometimes how fans want the product they support to fail.

Source?

I think it's best to let the studio determine when it's ready to be released. I've pre-purchased because I have full faith it will be a great game and that I'll love it (allready do) and it won't be rushed out of the door far from complete like almost every other mmo launch so far.

Saying that there'll always be bugs on release and therefor they should just release is like accepting that studios keep releasing unfinished buggy products and most even dare to charge a sub fee for it.

I understand you want to play it, I'm very eager to play it too but I like that they take their time to release their game in the best state they possibly can and don't just set a date and then find out during public betas that a lot actually doesn't work.

Originally posted by Xese

Originally posted by antshock32

Originally posted by Hoolilol

If they prolongue the release alot ( im talking about december date ) , they will loose customers imo with all of the decent ftp titles comin out. I surely do want a finished product but they were hinting a june release ...and now they are hinting august  / september release .

I don't even really care about that as a whole my focus is lets get some info to the ppl that are going to be playing your game!

Fine you couldnt do 26th of june great but then how about a reason why and possible next date its called "good public relations...thats my biggest beef

2nd please don't state that arena net didnt tell it would be release on the 26th if they didnt tell the public then they told someone retail companies multiple one not just ones dont come up with fantasy dates makes no rationale business sense!

First: The reason there is no official release date is because ArenaNet themselves do not know when the game will be released. This means there are many areas in the game that still needs development, and they do not want to set a deadline on this. Right now if they set a release date, two things will happen. 1) release date set too soon. Game needs for fixes than time allows, release game in a less than optimal state. That means bad public relations. 2) release date set too far. Game is ready way before their set release time (typically doesn't happen). So they will change the release date anyways. This also means bad public relations. It is the best to release the game when they know it will be ready, to have it as soon as possible to the players in a good state.

 

Second: you are again working under this conjecture that ArenaNet told all the game retailers a release date. All evidence I have seen is to the contrary when ArenaNet specifically pointed GameStop or whatever and said they did not give them that date. Do you have any evidence for this? It makes no sense to you because you cannot get away from this assinine assumption.

Exactly.

Op is assuming that Arenenet told retailers these mythical release dates with absolutely zero proof, and is then getting irate about it.

This thread is definitely one of the more rediculous I have seen in recent memory. I mean getting angry over something you are imagining a company is doing is really quite something.

Also, GW2 has NEVER been advertised on steam. Beginning to think the op dreamt about this and is now running with it. :p

Originally posted by VagabondLife

Originally posted by Thorbrand

40% of the game isn't finished. I don't know why anyone who is looking forward to the game would want it released before it is complete. Not to mention testing! Just crazy sometimes how fans want the product they support to fail.

Source?

His arse

Originally posted by Thorbrand

40% of the game isn't finished. I don't know why anyone who is looking forward to the game would want it released before it is complete. Not to mention testing! Just crazy sometimes how fans want the product they support to fail.

thank you Thorbrand , I don't knnow if what you say is true or not but that at least is some info and if 40percent of the game isn't done then thats all I want to know so I can plan to play somethng else to its released. If 40percent of the game isn't rdy then im fine with that but there no info except 2nd hand telling. My whole point is let your customer know what is going on no one wants gw2 to fail but we would like to know when its coming out how much is finished maybe or a good eta of when it might be delveried to stores....Now its noo secret stores had a release date then arena net should have called those stores and stated this is wrong and the release date from your info looks to be a dec maybe a jan release.....Now I can look to play something else to its release thanks again for the info.

Thanks for making my point also...The days of stringing your customers along is done lets get some information on the status of the game..think of it like your a board member or stock holder and you want to know what the forcast will be for the next quarter what are your profits and how is the next blockbuster coming along etc<==maybe went a little too far with that one but u get the point.

Originally posted by TemperHoof

Still have yet to see two whole race areas and high level content MIA from BWEs. You can't judge a game purely based on it's low level presentation, remember Age of Conan?

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this content isn't revealed to us in the BWE. If the other areas of the game have the same polish that I have seen in the BWE's, I have nothing to worry about. The production value and polish in this game so far is unparalleled by any other release title I have ever played.

Don't be surprised when we get a "release date" and we haven't touched the Sylari or Asura areas, nor have had access to much higher level content. I am not saying this is going to happen, but I imagine they will want to keep some new stuff for us on release ;)

Currently my experience with the game is that it runs very smoothly and is doing much better in terms of bugs and other issues than most mmos do at or even after launch. 

However, that being said there are still some things they can do to get the game even closer to perfect, but these things are not important enough to hold release back until Q4 or next year.  I think a couple more betas should be good to iron out the last few balancing issues. 

Honestly I don't think I ran into a single bug.  I crashed once during the ending event, and there were some animation issues when firing the rifle, but that's really it. 

Also to the people commenting about all the content we havent seen yet, were not going to.  That is the point.  They are not going to have us experience all the content for release, just enough to experience each aspect of gameplay fairly well: PvE, sPvP, and WvW.  All of the higher level content and the 2 other races are being internally tested and I doubt we will be able to experience much of it before release.

I just hope they release it by August some time so that I have at least a month of solid playing before I start school and will have alot less time.

What's funny is, I went to frys.com, bestbuy.com, and amazon.com... none of them have a release date that I see.  The only site with a date is gamestop.

Originally posted by Thorbrand

40% of the game isn't finished. I don't know why anyone who is looking forward to the game would want it released before it is complete. Not to mention testing! Just crazy sometimes how fans want the product they support to fail.

You mean we haven't seen those aspects of the game? I didn't know a Beta meant play 100% of our game, then at the end of the weekend we kick you off our servers. I always thought it meant more like, "we will open up what we want tested, and have at it".

Yeah that seems more like a BETA and less like a DEMO.

You used to have meaningful conversations about games, now Thor you're a die hard GW2 troll and TSW fanboi. (not that there is anything wrong with liking TSW, but you're just so one sided)

Originally posted by VagabondLife

Originally posted by Thorbrand

40% of the game isn't finished. I don't know why anyone who is looking forward to the game would want it released before it is complete. Not to mention testing! Just crazy sometimes how fans want the product they support to fail.

Source?

Correction - beta has not tested at least 40% of the game.

E.g. the asari and the sylvari. (40% of game???)

E.g. high level content 40+ (50% of game???)

Originally posted by antshock32

Originally posted by Thorbrand

40% of the game isn't finished. I don't know why anyone who is looking forward to the game would want it released before it is complete. Not to mention testing! Just crazy sometimes how fans want the product they support to fail.

thank you Thorbrand , I don't knnow if what you say is true or not but that at least is some info and if 40percent of the game isn't done then thats all I want to know so I can plan to play somethng else to its released. If 40percent of the game isn't rdy then im fine with that but there no info except 2nd hand telling. My whole point is let your customer know what is going on no one wants gw2 to fail but we would like to know when its coming out how much is finished maybe or a good eta of when it might be delveried to stores....Now its noo secret stores had a release date then arena net should have called those stores and stated this is wrong and the release date from your info looks to be a dec maybe a jan release.....Now I can look to play something else to its release thanks again for the info.

Thanks for making my point also...The days of stringing your customers along is done lets get some information on the status of the game..think of it like your a board member or stock holder and you want to know what the forcast will be for the next quarter what are your profits and how is the next blockbuster coming along etc<==maybe went a little too far with that one but u get the point.

 

 

Thorbrand has no clue as to the status % of the game. He is just speculating with no valid basis for doing so.