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  maplestone

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Joined: 12/10/08
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6/25/12 2:03:58 PM#21
Originally posted by Edeus

I'm not so sure about the technicalities of it.  It would be insteresting if it ever happened, regardless of how the development team managed to pull it off.

Technically it's not that different from the quest text just putting in $character_name or $race variables ("Welcome Maplestone, it''s nice to see a human out here.").  You just keep expanding it beyond the quest text to the actual objectives. 

For example, a quest where an earth mage needs to hunt in the mountains to capture an earth elementals would be replaced with a quest where a fire mage needs to hunt on the lavaflow to capture a fire elementals

The next iteration might add randomness.  Instead of a fire elemental, it might be any fire-based creature of the appropriate level that spawns in the same region as the quest-giver.  Instead of "because they're evil", pick from a variety of different motivations, deconstructing the typical MMO plotline into a formula that can generate random story arcs out of a map, creature list, item list and motives/relationships.

  BadSpock

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Joined: 8/21/04
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Logic be damned!

6/25/12 2:09:53 PM#22
Originally posted by Edeus
Originally posted by BadSpock

Tying each point of advancement in a talent tree of some sort to a unique, individual quest to that specific point that was thematically correct would be a cool idea.

I mean, typical themepark MMO has 1000 quests, between all your character classes, 1000 points in a talent tree set up... would sure give a good amount of replayability.

It'd be complex and probably have to use a lot of phasing/instancing, but it'd be cool for replayability and really connecting your character to the world and YOUR characters story.

As long as it's not "I killed 10 rats using fire spells, turned in the quest, and got a talent point for +1 fire spell damage."

Yes! someone who gets it!

Like a 6 talent point spell, 5 "passives" + 1 active ability.... 6 part quest chain.

Final boss battle/instance etc. for the final quest.

It'd be cool if it was an open system where you say had 3 trees with... 45 points each, 31 points to reach the "epic" ability, and you could go back through and do all the quests for the 135 points to be able to mix/max and create whatever build you wanted.

The only real issue I see is cross-class talents/quests... how do you make them unique and engaging enough for 1 class and you'd have to share some content with other classes and to be able to group with people from different classes you'd have to have the same objectives but for different reasons/different back story etc.

Have some issues to work out, but IMO much more interesting than your typical quest hub "this is the story of the zone, this is the story of the quest hub, this is the story of the expansion/big baddy" crap we are used to.

But at the same time, your typical AAA themepark says they have 1000s of quests, 135 per class with 8 classes is only 1080 quests total...

With maybe... 30-40% shared for instanced group content or PvP or just shared content for more spontaneous open world grouping... probably get away with 650-750 GOOD quests.

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  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
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6/25/12 2:23:00 PM#23
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by ReallyNow10

OP, why must you follow a "story"?  Why cannot your character just be a free-will inhabitant of a game world?

To add some spice to the gameplay?

Stories in RPGs are not exactly new, you know.

To some players, players like myself, forced storylines feel limiting and canned.  There is much more spice in gameplay when player actions have some direct or indirect impact upon other players.  Not talking PVP, but say someone aggroed a monster to the newbie zone (hopefully not intentionally) or a player built trade town emerges in the middle of some vast plains zone, or just interactions (good and bad) that lead to cooperation or rivalry.  The RP in these games is us.  The Massively in these games is us.

"someone aggroed a monster to the newbie zone" .. something deemed as a problem (in EQ) and fixed (in WOW and almost every other MMO).

"player built trade town emerges in the middle of some vast plains zone" ... don't see this happening. Why would you need a trade town when everyone is using a AH?

"The RP in these games is us" ... most players don't RP.

" The Massively in these games is us." ... most interaction is not massive. 5-man dungeon, or even 25 man raid is not massive. You don't need 1000 players to have a 25 man raid .. you need .. 25.

And while YOU don't like canned storyline, obviously some other players like. There is no reason not for them to exist.

 

 

  Connoisseur

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/05/04
Posts: 276

6/25/12 2:51:29 PM#24

GW2 and SWTOR both do this.

  General-Zod

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 558

Kneel.

6/25/12 3:01:37 PM#25
Originally posted by BadSpock

Tying each point of advancement in a talent tree of some sort to a unique, individual quest to that specific point that was thematically correct would be a cool idea.

I mean, typical themepark MMO has 1000 quests, between all your character classes, 1000 points in a talent tree set up... would sure give a good amount of replayability.

It'd be complex and probably have to use a lot of phasing/instancing, but it'd be cool for replayability and really connecting your character to the world and YOUR characters story.

As long as it's not "I killed 10 rats using fire spells, turned in the quest, and got a talent point for +1 fire spell damage."

 

I agree... that would be cool

My question, why would devs waste their time making this an MMO? It would work out better as a single player game with muiltiplayer options

  Edeus

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Joined: 6/10/10
Posts: 513

 
OP  6/25/12 3:06:18 PM#26

To answer Badspock and Maplestone and others: A system would have to be developed where there is a maximum number of active skill/talent points active at a time, but you can combine and crisscross into any tree as long as you've unlocked those skills/talents.

For example: 100 points max at any one time, each "tree" has only only 50-60 points you could spend before you get the mega-ability.  The questline would then have a few more climactic quests and story-arcs for you to use the mega-ability (would also require groups to down the boss) and reward you with something...Then you could (and should) start questing for another tree to max out. 

In order for this to work, each character would need to be able to play and unlock every talent tree in the game.  This way, you can truly mix and match things.  Allowing for assassins with huge + damage from the warrior tree, allowing every mage class to use healing spells, etc. etc.  The community (as always) will sort out the most optimal builds.  Character X could be a skillevel 60 fire mage, skillevel 24 support, skillevel 45 sword warrior.  "Builds" can be saved a large amount of times to promote experimenting and diversity and people playing as more than one class.

The nature of the end-tree talent quests would promote group play through difficulty as well as necessity.  (ie. we should all help the holy cleric get his final ability!)  Content inteself getting hard quickly would also promote group play. 

 

Also, overworld story arcs would also be in game.  So if each talent tree had 60+5 quests, and there are 25 talent trees + a couple hundred overworld story arc quests... should be a good amount of stuff to do (keeping kill x number of things/gather y number of things to a minimum, or atleeast disguise them well enough... )

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  Connoisseur

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Joined: 6/05/04
Posts: 276

6/25/12 3:13:20 PM#27
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by ReallyNow10

OP, why must you follow a "story"?  Why cannot your character just be a free-will inhabitant of a game world?

To add some spice to the gameplay?

Stories in RPGs are not exactly new, you know.

To some players, players like myself, forced storylines feel limiting and canned.  There is much more spice in gameplay when player actions have some direct or indirect impact upon other players.  Not talking PVP, but say someone aggroed a monster to the newbie zone (hopefully not intentionally) or a player built trade town emerges in the middle of some vast plains zone, or just interactions (good and bad) that lead to cooperation or rivalry.  The RP in these games is us.  The Massively in these games is us.

 

What it ultimately comes down to is the fact that the consumer demographic is dominated by youngststers who are too ADHD, casuals who don't want to be intimidated and older players who don't want to feel stress, so they're all unable to appreciate the depth that sandbox games provide, which typically require players who don't mind the sheer scope of volition, players with active imaginations, players who understand the inherent dual nature of success/failure, risk/reward, good/evil, ad nauseum. Players who desire a truly dynamic universe are in the minority, but luckily there are still games out there for us, both available and in development by independent companies.

  Edeus

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Joined: 6/10/10
Posts: 513

 
OP  6/28/12 9:09:47 AM#28

Shazaam!

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  wrekognize

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Joined: 7/30/07
Posts: 385

6/28/12 10:18:47 AM#29

 

In developing SWTOR, the director was quoted: "the missing element in MMORPGs is the story."

After SWTOR has been out 6 months, that doesn't seem to be the case.

And I highly doubt the missing element in MMORPGs is the story..within a player's class.

 

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