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  TwoThreeFour

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6/25/12 5:12:25 AM#41
Originally posted by seridan
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

I don't think it alone is reason enough to buy a MMO, but it is really unthinkable that someone would enjoy that aspect? What happened to tolerance and respect for the taste and opinions of other people?

In other games the lucky rule the market, or the 24/7 grinders.... one lucky drop makes you rich and powerful (or even nets you RL money) is that so much better?

Anyway there are lots of people who "play the market" I even know people who do it even in GW1 which has no actual use for money (other than vanity items). Still those people can "power trade" the gems. Buy them for few gold, sell them for lots, make profit, that way they can play the "market game" the way they want and it might be more challenging that way ;)

Depends on what conidtion they set on themselves. If they have want to maximize gold by any legal means, they need to consider how much working extra in real life will give them in ingame gold and that can very well lead to situations where the most efficient path is not playing the game at all, but working extra. 

 

However, if they set an artificial condition to not allow themselves to use real life money, then they do not need to consider how efficient working extra is. Then all the gem-for-gold system does is to change the specifics of different strategies they employ.

 

From my experience, the 24/7 grinders and the lucky are not the richest in the game, those who play the market usually are. 

  TwoThreeFour

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6/25/12 5:15:13 AM#42
Originally posted by jonesing22
Originally posted by jonesing22
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by jonesing22

People actually buy mmos to 'play the market' ?......lmao, you're wasting your real life money.

 

I don't think it alone is reason enough to buy a MMO, but it is really unthinkable that someone would enjoy that aspect? What happened to tolerance and respect for the taste and opinions of other people?

you asking me or telling me^

Yes it is unthinkable, honestly. Example: I started playing EQ again when the progression servers went up. It was great - the best nostalgia of mmos I've had in a long time - I started a bard. The release of Ruins of Kunark meant epic weapons. So I start my epic weapon quest only to find out that these guilds who are bent on having the most money in the game, for whatever reason, farm these items I needed for epic quests. Okay, so I can't get one from actually killing mob myself with my own guild, so I say i'll buy the dragon scale I need. Well they want 100,000 platinum for it because they play the market. Well, I quit the game shortly after finding out players are hoarding and selling items needed to complete epic pve content. Playing the Market ^^

off topic, but you asked <-edit

 

I see then why you would feel a major aversion towards those who play the market, thank you for your story. 

  timeraider

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6/25/12 5:59:25 AM#43

i see it like this

you cant buy anything giving an advantage over anyone at shops/sellers

you cant buy anything giving an advantage over anyone in the gemstore

 

so since gems will probably will cost quite some gold, youll be able to gems for quite alot of gold to buy cosmetics

so its really:

Amount of time spent in it -> PvE cosmetics etc. <- Amount of real life money spent in it

 

and as long as it does not change anything in wvw, dungeons and sPvP , i dont mind how the gold/gem selling is going to be

  Phry

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6/25/12 6:09:23 AM#44
Originally posted by dzoni87

Really? This topic again?

Why not go with the theory of how is gem trading actually P2W because someone that buy gold with real money can buy best gear on Auction House? Pure pay to win if you ask me :eyeroll:

maybe its because its an unresolved issue, or at least, one that people arent exactly comfortable with. i suspect that it will only go away when the game is released and fears over that issue are assuaged.. or it might get worse if their point of view becomes vindicated, pretty much a wait and see kind of thing, until then though, its all pretty much guesswork on either side.

  Atlan99

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6/25/12 6:42:35 AM#45
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by Wolfenbr
 

I don't think so. ArenaNET didn't go so far just to make a mistake on the gem price and give some slack to gold selling companies. Remember, the system doesn't costs ArenaNET anything, not even time, while gold sellers need to have farmers in game who need time to gather the gold and an infrastructure to get the real life money and deliver the gold.

It just won't be worth it to farm/sell gold in this game. Not to mention the ban risk for the buyer, who will always prefer the official way in this case, since it's without risk and totally legal.

Is this the "price to pay" (pun intended) to have a gold seller free game? Considering the game isn't gear centric, I think it can work. I don't think we will ever see "cheap gold on GW4GOLD.COM, promotions this week, fast delivery" in our chat, and that's a relief.

 

Plex doesn't stop Isk farmers from selling Isk in Eve.

Also Arenanet may set the beta price, however the market will set the true price.

  lilHeala

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6/25/12 7:31:06 AM#46
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by jonesing22

People actually buy mmos to 'play the market' ?......lmao, you're wasting your real life money.

 

I don't think it alone is reason enough to buy a MMO, but it is really unthinkable that someone would enjoy that aspect? What happened to tolerance and respect for the taste and opinions of other people?

Looks like you're just looking to defend your original statement by thinking up something new against every counter argument.

When it comes to a "wealth" competition, this is hardly measurable unless all players post a screenshot somewhere of how many gold they have so can hardly be called a competition.

  p_c_sousa

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6/25/12 9:07:56 AM#47

please tell me what advantages you buy from shop??? 

  seridan

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6/25/12 9:55:16 AM#48
Originally posted by p_c_sousa

please tell me what advantages you buy from shop??? 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

  korent1991

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6/25/12 10:03:41 AM#49
Originally posted by Psym0n

 

5. As of BWE 2, the only way to obtain town clothes or minis was to purchase them from the gem shop. Will some town clothes or minis be obtainable as in-game rewards (say, for achievements or as mini-game prizes) when the game launches, or will they be restricted to the cash shop only?
Eric: At the moment, our plan for town clothes and minis is that they are only available via the Black Lion Trading Post (formerly, the Gem Store). There are, of course, some exceptions to this for things like the collector’s edition and other promotional giveaways. One other thing to note is that players are able to use in-game gold to trade for gems with other players via the exchange, so a player does not necessarily need to use cash to acquire these items.

 

I highlighted the part that concerns me in red. If you can buy gems for real money and trade them with other players for gold, isn´t that the exact same thing as buying gold? 

I mean, if I have say 3000 gold, and my friend has 3000 gems he bought for 10 euro´s ( I don´t know the exact costs) and then trades the gems to my account for 3000 gold. In my speculations that´s buying gold for money, but now the goldseller gets gems and ArenaNet gets the money.

This is the article that features this topic:

http://www.rpgamer.com/games/guildwars/guildwars2/guildwars2BWE2interview.html

What is your opinion on this?

 

Cheers

It's old news.... They talked about this ever since they told us about the cash shop...

So I'm not concerned because gold doesn't have such big value in this game since most of important things are obtained trough "Karma".

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  korent1991

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6/25/12 10:05:11 AM#50
Originally posted by seridan
Originally posted by p_c_sousa

please tell me what advantages you buy from shop??? 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store

I still see no real "advantages" in the gem store.... -.-

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  TheLizardbones

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6/25/12 10:10:34 AM#51


Originally posted by seridan

Originally posted by p_c_sousa please tell me what advantages you buy from shop??? 
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store


So you can buy gems with real world money. Gems can be used in the game store, and also traded to other players for in game money.

'Style' items can be purchased - visual accessories.

'Consumable' items can be purchased. This includes Mystic Keys to unlock Mystic Chests. You can also get keys from personal quests or as a random drop. This might be a boost, but it's something you could get anyway...so iffy to call it an advantage. You can also add random elements to Zommoro's gifts or crafting. This might give an advantage, or it might make you explode into confetti when you die. I'd like the confetti thing myself.

'Boosts' can be purchased. These give you additional XP or Karma while they are active. These are the only things that look like they'd give any player a definite advantage, but there it looks like it's just the leveling time and time it takes to accumulate Karma.

I don't see anything here I'd object to. I don't see anything where if I ran into a player who spent $100 in the store that I'd have trouble in WvWvW if I spent nothing.

This just doesn't seem like a big deal right now.

** edit **
I don't see anything wrong with 'buying gold', as long as it is a part of the game setup by the developer. If the overall playerbase wants faster leveling and easier to obtain gold, then more power to them.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  User Deleted
6/25/12 10:17:16 AM#52

Hmm, how long before P2W items in store. Ya there is no sub but they will make alot more from people buying their ingame currency. Cant blame them though, why should a gold farming company reap the rewards of their efforts.

  p_c_sousa

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6/25/12 10:40:55 AM#53
Originally posted by seridan
Originally posted by p_c_sousa

please tell me what advantages you buy from shop??? 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store

so where are the advantages against other players?

  L0C0Man

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6/25/12 10:48:13 AM#54
Originally posted by Soandsoso

Hmm, how long before P2W items in store. Ya there is no sub but they will make alot more from people buying their ingame currency. Cant blame them though, why should a gold farming company reap the rewards of their efforts.

There's really no guarantee that there won't be P2W items in the future (I don't consider anything that's there right now as P2W, mainly because of the way PvE and PvP are separated).

Personally, however, I don't think they'll add any P2W items in the future, first because they know it's something their player base feels strongly about and that they're playing a balance game of convenienve Vs. too many advantages in the gem store. They don't have subs but they do have expansions they want to sell in the future, and it's in their best interests not to drive the players away for them to sell.

Second because of past experience with the company. Since we can't predict the future all we can do is look at how a company has behaved in the past. GW1 has had a cash shop for a long time already, and there's only one item I could consider semi P2W, and it's the unlocking of skills. However that was added to the cash shop when the game was already few years old, meant as a way to allow newcomers to compete on the same level than people that have been playing for years and that had unlocked all their skills long time ago while still keeping the game open for those that want to unlock them the old fashioned way.

Even then unlocking skills isn't all that big of a thing for the game. The skills are unlocked only for PvP characters, can't be used for PvE unless you get them the old fashioned way, and without unlocking them you can even get a full set without PvP at all. By using the Zaishen Challenges (basically elimination battlegrounds with AI allies and opponents) you can get 2000 faction points a day in under 30 minutes. A full hotbar would be 9 skills (1000 each, 9000 total) and one elite skill (3000), which would need 12000 faction points to buy (assuming you're not using any of the default unlocked skills), so you could get a full one in 6 days assuming you only do the challenges (zaishen elite challenges can get you 6000 points a day and can be done in under an hour, regular PvP matches give more points and have no limit to how many points you can get).

That was for GW1. Such an item wouldn't make sense in GW2, since all skills are unlocked for sPvP anyway, the game so far seems to be designed to be even more P2W items resistant than GW1 was.

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  kostoslav

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6/25/12 10:52:29 AM#55
As long as its gw2 its ok!
  seridan

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6/25/12 10:54:48 AM#56
Originally posted by p_c_sousa
Originally posted by seridan
Originally posted by p_c_sousa

please tell me what advantages you buy from shop??? 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store

so where are the advantages against other players?

No idea I just posted what you can get from the Gem Store so anyone can see it

I can't see anything gamebreaking in there to be honest :)

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  L0C0Man

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6/25/12 11:01:19 AM#57
Originally posted by seridan
Originally posted by p_c_sousa
Originally posted by seridan
Originally posted by p_c_sousa

please tell me what advantages you buy from shop??? 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store

so where are the advantages against other players?

No idea I just posted what you can get from the Gem Store so anyone can see it

I can't see anything gamebreaking in there to be honest :)

The top hat is an obvious advantage!!! How can you attack a distinguished gentleman wearing one??? They'll be game breaking for sure unless they're nerfed!!!.. :)

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  MattVid

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6/25/12 11:03:21 AM#58

It is funny to see people complain about this stuff.

So, gold is going to be sold for real cash in game anyways (RMT traders/botters), and people think it is bad to implement a system where ArenaNet can get the proceeds while still offering the same service that RMT comapnies would offer? Gold selling and buying is ALWAYS there, you might as well design a system to help combat it.

When it comes down to it, basically every game is "pay to win", as you can buy gold from 3rd party sites. Considering gear doesn't make a huge, huge difference in this game, and that the gem store doesn't really offer anyhting besides cosmetic and convenience items ... I fail to see how it is "pay to win".

Overall, some people just suck, or are bad at games, and they like to blame people stomping their faces into the ground that they are cheating somehow. It is even more humorous when people are whining about this stuff, when the competitive PvP is everyone at level 80 with the same access to gear ... It is 100% skill/knowledge based.

This model has worked in other games, and I don't see an issue with it.

  Mors-Subita

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6/25/12 11:11:25 AM#59
Originally posted by Soandsoso

Hmm, how long before P2W items in store. Ya there is no sub but they will make alot more from people buying their ingame currency. Cant blame them though, why should a gold farming company reap the rewards of their efforts.

How long before p2w? Well, the first GW is 8 years old now, and their cash shop still has no P2W in it... So I would say at least 8 years...

  Chillwolf

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6/25/12 11:13:20 AM#60

Karma and glory are the "money" that will make you the most powerful, you cannot buy any of them with gems or cash.  There are many forms of currency in GW2 the gem/cash loop is very closed and segregated from the items that have actual real impact on other players in both pvp and pve. 

http://i.imgur.com/RCXX8.jpg   that pretty much explains it.  Why are we still having this conversation it has been beat to death already. 

 

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