Originally posted by Vorch

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Actually i think that guildwars prooves that games need to be inovative, and all parts of the game need to be of high and consisten quallity when they want to succeed.  

 

I think GW2 will challenge other developers to be innovative again, and thats exactly what we need... so no copy cats, but it will change the genre, from stale to innovative. 

 

Or is this just wishfull thinking from my part?

 

^This.

There are two major things that I believe GW2 brings to industry:

1. Not only can an MMO can survive without a subscription fee, they are actually better at surviving than most MMOs with subscription fees. From this point on, I believe subscription fees will only serve to cripple the potential of MMOs that come out.

 

2. Innovation will no longer be one part of development, it will be the goal of development in MMOs

 

And @ OP, as you can see, I am a fan. However, those headlines are a bit much, wouldn't you say? GW2 doesn't do that much that is new, and it won't be perfect. It will simply set a new standard for what is acceptable in the MMO genre.

There's no way a game can release that of similar production value and polish as GW2 and then demand a subscription fee anymore.

Really not sure how either of you can say these things when the game isnt even out yet lol. Dont get me wrong I think the game will do well, but claiming that GW2 proves certain things that are a requirement to be successfull when its not even released is a bit rich in my opinion.

I will likely be playing this game. It allows you to essentially solo while in a group. :) I'm all about solo'ing MMO's because I don't want to have to rely on some kid to my left or right to make sure he's doing what he's got to do. In this game's pvp setting I see no need for pre-arranged groups and if people even do decide to do pre-arranged they won't fare better then anyone else simply because of the numbers.

Quite funny with what nonsense some people come up when they are bored while waiting for the release. If there is one damn good reason to release GW2 soon then it is to reduce the amount of such threads.

I've had around 30 people in opposing factions/worlds/whatever fighting me last beta. Was pretty intense. The group that was in chat were all like "OK HERE WE GO! REMEMBER WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT" and since they rushed in before any of us others did...they got wiped out and targetted. I sat and laughed...and got flamed. -__-;

Can I haz your stuff?

Originally posted by 9reesracer9

GW2 is fun (so far), and i'm looking forward to it, but this post made me throw up in my mouth a little.

This guy knows whats up!

Originally posted by grogstorm

The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:

• All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..

I doubt it will totally change the face of MMO's. Replace GW2 by WoW and you could see a headline that is possible today. I don't think GW2 will simply replace WoW. A lot of people still like WoW.

• I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.

Annoucing an official release date is not something truly historical. It's just a game, not something like the end of WW2 or the assassination of JFK or something.

• The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date

A release date won't change the industry, get real. If GW2 sold 10M+ boxes in the first month, then the industry might take notice, but games are being developed as we write this up, things aren't going to change over one smash hit, and annoucing a release date isn't quite enough to change much of anything.

• GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..

I wish, but I don't think we'll be seeing GW2 clones all over the place. They might take elements from the game, but making GW2 is quite the investment. And doing all that work to not be as good as the original is more of a gamble than making a WoW-clone.

• Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.

Not quite impossible, but there are still some games out there that pull this of and GW2 won't please everybody.

• Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..

Do we talk about pre-WoW MMO's? And if GW2 is only half the success WoW is we're talking smash hit already. Pre-GW2 carries far too much weight to it.

• …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…

They"ll adapt if they have to, no CEO is so bent on staying with the P2P formula they'd rather lose the company than change. F2P works, so B2P with cash shop will work too.

• The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…

I don't see it pleasing everyone. Some people still like the fixed roles and I doubt everyone will be converted just ilke that.

• “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…

See above.

I can see the posts now J

Originally posted by grogstorm

The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:

• All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..
• I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.
• The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date
• GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..
• Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.
• Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..
• …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…
• The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…
• “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…

I can see the posts now J

Hmmm last time I checked the time we were still in 2012.

Unfortunately there won't be any forum headlines in 2015 because everyone would be busy surviving the end of the world and all that.

Originally posted by seridan

Originally posted by grogstorm

The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:

• All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..
• I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.
• The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date
• GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..
• Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.
• Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..
• …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…
• The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…
• “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…

I can see the posts now J

Hmmm last time I checked the time we were still in 2012.

 

Nooooooooo, really? someone cleary didnt get the point of the post.

Alternatively, we may see:

  "GW2, remember what a huge failure that was, I yam still mad."

  "Dude, you've been saying that every day for three years now. Get a grip."

Originally posted by grogstorm

The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:

• All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..
• I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.
• The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date
• GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..
• Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.
• Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..
• …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…
• The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…
• “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…

I can see the posts now J

Made me chuckle...

Lets hope it will not become too popular with console/non-gamer:

"....They are called GW2 clones for a good reason! Because simply thats what they are, because I say so and its not just that I am an ignorant delusional twat! They all tried to copy GW2 and get a piece  of ArenaNet's big cake, TSW, B&S, WS, Rift, TOR, Titan and all those other GW2 clones that popped up the last years"

*shudder*

Originally posted by Ryowulf

GW2 is appealing to me, but even so I'll play it for a bit then turn my interest to the next big thing. MMO players all suffer from ADD these days. GW2 will probably be around, but it will be the 4th expansion and most people will be talking about the newer games.

 

edit:

"Anybody wonder what the retention rate will be for gw2?"

That's the beauty of it. GW2 just needs to sell boxes. As long as they get decent word of month it doesn't matter how long or often people play. No subs to worry about.

Well it matters for those people playing doesn't it?  I mean what fun is fighting 20 other people on a huge WvWvW map?  

Edit:  and to be clear, I'm not saying that is what will happen, I'm just giving an example of why population is important for this game just like every other mmo.

i dont think anyone understands yet just how big GW2 is going to be. it will definitely reach WoW levels within a few years, and probably surpass it. you will see if you dont believe me.

Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by grogstorm

 

• All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..

That part has already started. Have you seen some of the Elder Scrolls Online features? It's basically GW2 and WoW visit Skyrim, only Skyrim now looks like ass.

You do know they both started developement in the same year, right? How can they be clones of each other? Anyway, mmorpgs are already starting to branch out somewhat from purely cloning WOW anyway, so it's unlikely mmos start copying GW2. Atleast i hope so. The last thing i want is innovation to stop to stat this process all over again.

Oh I see, so it's just a coincidence that TESO is very similar to GW2 and WoW in most of it's features, right?

I mean, is just a coincidence that TESO will have weapon skills, utility skills and 1 ultimate skill on the action bar just like GW2, right? Or the simple fact that players can combine attacks, like in GW2?

Read some of the features, it's basically WoW + GW2.

Originally posted by grogstorm

The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:

• All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..
• I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.
• The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date
• GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..
• Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.
• Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..
• …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…
• The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…
• “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…

I can see the posts now J

What is there to clone? DEs?

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by grogstorm

The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:

• All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..
• I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.
• The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date
• GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..
• Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.
• Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..
• …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…
• The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…
• “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…

I can see the posts now J

What is there to clone? DEs?

Flaming again I see. You sure are a bitter person. Go back to TSW and grow up.

I more hopes for headlines like: "GW2, WoDO and Class 4 finally made EA and Activision realize that they must stop just copying eachother and have started to make original games" instead.

GW2 is a really well made fun game but the real reason it is getting so much more attention than games like Rift is that they at least try to make something a bit original. If everyone just start to copy and paste from it instead of from EQ and Wow it would be the final nail in the coffin for MMOs.

I would say that MMOs need to change but it really s MMO devs and publisher that needs to change. They need to actually start thinking instead of just spying on eachother and stealing eachother few ideas.

We need more companies like CCP and Undead labs, they don't care what others do, they instead do their own thing.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by grogstorm

The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:

• All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..
• I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.
• The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date
• GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..
• Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.
• Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..
• …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…
• The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…
• “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…

I can see the posts now J

What is there to clone? DEs?

Duh, Wow have many unique features, right?

GW2 have a distinct feel to it when you play, that is what they will clone, not specific features.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by grogstorm

The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:

• All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..
• I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.
• The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date
• GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..
• Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.
• Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..
• …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…
• The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…
• “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…

I can see the posts now J

What is there to clone? DEs?

Duh, Wow have many unique features, right?

GW2 have a distinct feel to it when you play, that is what they will clone, not specific features.

The feel, ok.