Originally posted by jessie360

This thread is stupid.  There is no subscription fee in Guild Wars 2.  Why are you arguing over something that will never happen?

for whatever reason some people think this game is hyped up solely because the B2P model and not because its actually a great game...

I voted no.

I like their B2P method for this style of mmo, it is a good backup mmo to your main mmorpg that you need to take a break from.

Nope.  There isn't any MMO that can really get me to pay a sub right now though.  I'm burned out on them.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jessie360

This thread is stupid.  There is no subscription fee in Guild Wars 2.  Why are you arguing over something that will never happen?

for whatever reason some people think this game is hyped up solely because the B2P model and not because its actually a great game...

B2P is a big part of why people are so excited.  It's that, the abandoned trinity and lots of PVP.  It will be better shielded from flames than a sub game is as the actual expectations are lower when you aren't charging people a monthly sub.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jessie360

This thread is stupid.  There is no subscription fee in Guild Wars 2.  Why are you arguing over something that will never happen?

for whatever reason some people think this game is hyped up solely because the B2P model and not because its actually a great game...

B2P is a big part of why people are so excited.  It's that, the abandoned trinity and lots of PVP.  It will be better shielded from flames than a sub game is as the actual expectations are lower when you aren't charging people a monthly sub.

Said it before, will say it again. What drew me to this game:

• The Guild Wars continuity in a real MMO world, rather than the instance+hub design of GW1.
• Gameplay that encourages you to cooperate with the other players in the world around you, instead of competing for quest/crafting spawns.
• The fact that exploration is not only possible, but heavily encouraged.
• Quest chains whose follow-ups can vary depending on outcome of each stage.
• Quests where there are multiple ways to complete them.
• Huge, srpawling, life-like areas that feel like a living world.
• Being able to run around and play with whomever I want, across servers if I want, and not worry about needing a tank or a healer all the time.
• Massive pvp seige battles that last weeks.
• Streamlined crafting and gathering that take a lot of the tedium out.
• Heavy customization with hundreds of possible color combinations and a trasnmogrification system.
• Challenging combat where quick thinking and tactics beat spamming an optimal rotation.

Originally posted by terrant

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jessie360

This thread is stupid.  There is no subscription fee in Guild Wars 2.  Why are you arguing over something that will never happen?

for whatever reason some people think this game is hyped up solely because the B2P model and not because its actually a great game...

B2P is a big part of why people are so excited.  It's that, the abandoned trinity and lots of PVP.  It will be better shielded from flames than a sub game is as the actual expectations are lower when you aren't charging people a monthly sub.

Said it before, will say it again. What drew me to this game:

 

• The Guild Wars continuity in a real MMO world, rather than the instance+hub design of GW1.
• Gameplay that encourages you to cooperate with the other players in the world around you, instead of competing for quest/crafting spawns.
• The fact that exploration is not only possible, but heavily encouraged.
• Quest chains whose follow-ups can vary depending on outcome of each stage.
• Quests where there are multiple ways to complete them.
• Huge, srpawling, life-like areas that feel like a living world.
• Being able to run around and play with whomever I want, across servers if I want, and not worry about needing a tank or a healer all the time.
• Massive pvp seige battles that last weeks.
• Streamlined crafting and gathering that take a lot of the tedium out.
• Heavy customization with hundreds of possible color combinations and a trasnmogrification system.
• Challenging combat where quick thinking and tactics beat spamming an optimal rotation.

 

Then someone tld me I didn't have to pay a sub. That was just icing.

Absolutely agreed. While the fact that the game is B2P is nice, it wasn't what attracted me to GW2 in the first place.

As far as the whole B2P vs subscription goes, subscription models are outdated and a complete ripoff besides. Hopefully GW2 will be successful enough to show the rest of the industry that B2P is not only better for the consumers but the developers and publishers as well.

Yes, but only if they eleminited the cash shop.

Fail-ed Thread there's no sub for GW2 in the 1st place, TS need to read get the facts right before wasting time opening useless threads.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jessie360

This thread is stupid.  There is no subscription fee in Guild Wars 2.  Why are you arguing over something that will never happen?

for whatever reason some people think this game is hyped up solely because the B2P model and not because its actually a great game...

Well, considering almost 50% of the people voted NO that they would not buy it if it had as sub, I think it is safe to say that for a lot of people the pricing model is a huge factor.  Just like how GW1 got voted here as the #2 MMO of all time LOL.

Those that think the pricing model isn't a huge part of why people like the GW series, then I guess you are in that 50% that voted yes you would pay a sub for GW2.

For me, I would pay a sub if they got rid of the cash shop (and allowed PVP in the open world).  But I'll never play MMOs that are tuned for cash shops, its obnoxious.

I´ll be supporting the game via cash shop,even just buying party boxes!

That´s even better than paying a sub...i decide how much & when.

isn´t that great? ^^

I wouldn't pay a sub for GW2.  I love the game and give it props above all others, but I wouldn't pay a sub. 

Originally posted by bcbully

We've all heard people say things like "Plus there's no sub, " or "Since I don't have to pay a sub." If GW2 was 15$ a month would you pay it?

 

NO, just like i wont pay a sub for TERA, TSW, SWTOR, RIFT (i own 3 of those games for the free month and the free to lvl 15-20 trials)

B2P (and F2P with decent cash shop) is the future for me. Im done with companies charging for gametime when i bought the game already

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

For me, I would pay a sub if they got rid of the cash shop (and allowed PVP in the open world).  But I'll never play MMOs that are tuned for cash shops, its obnoxious.

So you only play SWTOR? Because as far as I know that is the only AAA MMO that does not have a cash shop yet. Now I can understand why you're so jaded. I would be too if I had to play that POS instead of an actual good game.

I don't normally play a game long enough/often enough to make subbing worthwhile for me, but if I was going to for any game I'd do it for GW2.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

For me, I would pay a sub if they got rid of the cash shop (and allowed PVP in the open world).  But I'll never play MMOs that are tuned for cash shops, its obnoxious.

So you only play SWTOR? Because as far as I know that is the only AAA MMO that does not have a cash shop yet. Now I can understand why you're so jaded. I would be too if I had to play that POS instead of an actual good game.

I've already had these debates long ago on these boards and won't revisit.  But GW2 has been tuned from day 1 of development for cash shop profits, just like Diablo 3 was with its RMAH.  There is a difference between a cash shop with some random sparkles in it, and an MMO specifically tuned for a cash shop (e.g., mystic chests dropping at a faster rate than keys as an example).

Someday there will be MMOs again that don't worry so much about pricing for the cheapskate gamers LOL.  Another downside to a bad economy I guess...

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Originally posted by remyburke
If they got rid of the lame ass cash shop? In a second.

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How do you suppose they make a profit then?

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

For me, I would pay a sub if they got rid of the cash shop (and allowed PVP in the open world).  But I'll never play MMOs that are tuned for cash shops, its obnoxious.

So you only play SWTOR? Because as far as I know that is the only AAA MMO that does not have a cash shop yet. Now I can understand why you're so jaded. I would be too if I had to play that POS instead of an actual good game.

I've already had these debates long ago on these boards and won't revisit.  But GW2 has been tuned from day 1 of development for cash shop profits, just like Diablo 3 was with its RMAH.  There is a difference between a cash shop with some random sparkles in it, and an MMO specifically tuned for a cash shop (e.g., mystic chests dropping at a faster rate than keys as an example).

Someday there will be MMOs again that don't worry so much about pricing for the cheapskate gamers LOL.  Another downside to a bad economy I guess...

You know, for someone who tries too hard to come of as a balla, you have a really unhealthy hatred for cash shop games. The funny, or sad (in your case) thing is that almost all AAA MMOs have cash shops and subscription fees. Yet here you are, hating on one game that has a cash shop but no subscription fee. Go figure.

Deal with it, bro. By your own admission you have a lot of disposable income to spend on games. Spend it and stop posting contradictory posts. Either you're a balla or you don't want to spend money on games, make up your mind.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

For me, I would pay a sub if they got rid of the cash shop (and allowed PVP in the open world).  But I'll never play MMOs that are tuned for cash shops, its obnoxious.

So you only play SWTOR? Because as far as I know that is the only AAA MMO that does not have a cash shop yet. Now I can understand why you're so jaded. I would be too if I had to play that POS instead of an actual good game.

I've already had these debates long ago on these boards and won't revisit.  But GW2 has been tuned from day 1 of development for cash shop profits, just like Diablo 3 was with its RMAH.  There is a difference between a cash shop with some random sparkles in it, and an MMO specifically tuned for a cash shop (e.g., mystic chests dropping at a faster rate than keys as an example).

Someday there will be MMOs again that don't worry so much about pricing for the cheapskate gamers LOL.  Another downside to a bad economy I guess...

You know, for someone who tries too hard to come of as a balla, you have a really unhealthy hatred for cash shop games. The funny, or sad (in your case) thing is that almost all AAA MMOs have cash shops and subscription fees. Yet here you are, hating on one game that has a cash shop but no subscription fee. Go figure.

Deal with it, bro. By your own admission you have a lot of disposable income to spend on games. Spend it and stop posting contradictory posts. Either you're a balla or you don't want to spend money on games, make up your mind.

I don't want crap game mechanics that force you to essentially leave the game to go to the cash shop, and I don't want external factors like cash shop purchases coming into my min/maxing.  It really is pretty simple.  It is the annoying game mechanics of cash shop games that I despise, not the outlay of cash.

If you don't understand that, then you'll never understand my issue with it.  Just like I really don't understand why people have an issue with a paltry $15 a month fee.  Cost me $120 tonight to go out and feed my family of 4.  I could have just skipped the appetizer tonight and it would cover an MMO subscription for a month.  People really have misguided rage over the $15 a month fee.

Tuning the MMO gaming mechanics to lure you to a cash shop is the real outrage...

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

For me, I would pay a sub if they got rid of the cash shop (and allowed PVP in the open world).  But I'll never play MMOs that are tuned for cash shops, its obnoxious.

So you only play SWTOR? Because as far as I know that is the only AAA MMO that does not have a cash shop yet. Now I can understand why you're so jaded. I would be too if I had to play that POS instead of an actual good game.

I've already had these debates long ago on these boards and won't revisit.  But GW2 has been tuned from day 1 of development for cash shop profits, just like Diablo 3 was with its RMAH.  There is a difference between a cash shop with some random sparkles in it, and an MMO specifically tuned for a cash shop (e.g., mystic chests dropping at a faster rate than keys as an example).

Someday there will be MMOs again that don't worry so much about pricing for the cheapskate gamers LOL.  Another downside to a bad economy I guess...

You know, for someone who tries too hard to come of as a balla, you have a really unhealthy hatred for cash shop games. The funny, or sad (in your case) thing is that almost all AAA MMOs have cash shops and subscription fees. Yet here you are, hating on one game that has a cash shop but no subscription fee. Go figure.

Deal with it, bro. By your own admission you have a lot of disposable income to spend on games. Spend it and stop posting contradictory posts. Either you're a balla or you don't want to spend money on games, make up your mind.

I don't want crap game mechanics that force you to essentially leave the game to go to the cash shop, and I don't want external factors like cash shop purchases coming into my min/maxing.  It really is pretty simple.  It is the annoying game mechanics of cash shop games that I despise, not the outlay of cash.

If you don't understand that, then you'll never understand my issue with it.  Just like I really don't understand why people have an issue with a paltry $15 a month fee.  Cost me $120 tonight to go out and feed my family of 4.  I could have just skipped the appetizer tonight and it would cover an MMO subscription for a month.  People really have misguided rage over the $15 a month fee.

Tuning the MMO gaming mechanics to lure you to a cash shop is the real outrage...

GW2 has no issues like that. Move on.

My point, which you're conveniently ignoring, is the simple fact that all MMOs right now have cash shops and charge a subscription fee. Yet here you are, on a forum of one game that does not charge a subscription fee, whining and complaining.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

For me, I would pay a sub if they got rid of the cash shop (and allowed PVP in the open world).  But I'll never play MMOs that are tuned for cash shops, its obnoxious.

So you only play SWTOR? Because as far as I know that is the only AAA MMO that does not have a cash shop yet. Now I can understand why you're so jaded. I would be too if I had to play that POS instead of an actual good game.

I've already had these debates long ago on these boards and won't revisit.  But GW2 has been tuned from day 1 of development for cash shop profits, just like Diablo 3 was with its RMAH.  There is a difference between a cash shop with some random sparkles in it, and an MMO specifically tuned for a cash shop (e.g., mystic chests dropping at a faster rate than keys as an example).

Someday there will be MMOs again that don't worry so much about pricing for the cheapskate gamers LOL.  Another downside to a bad economy I guess...

You know, for someone who tries too hard to come of as a balla, you have a really unhealthy hatred for cash shop games. The funny, or sad (in your case) thing is that almost all AAA MMOs have cash shops and subscription fees. Yet here you are, hating on one game that has a cash shop but no subscription fee. Go figure.

Deal with it, bro. By your own admission you have a lot of disposable income to spend on games. Spend it and stop posting contradictory posts. Either you're a balla or you don't want to spend money on games, make up your mind.

I don't want crap game mechanics that force you to essentially leave the game to go to the cash shop, and I don't want external factors like cash shop purchases coming into my min/maxing.  It really is pretty simple.  It is the annoying game mechanics of cash shop games that I despise, not the outlay of cash.

If you don't understand that, then you'll never understand my issue with it.  Just like I really don't understand why people have an issue with a paltry $15 a month fee.  Cost me $120 tonight to go out and feed my family of 4.  I could have just skipped the appetizer tonight and it would cover an MMO subscription for a month.  People really have misguided rage over the $15 a month fee.

Tuning the MMO gaming mechanics to lure you to a cash shop is the real outrage...

GW2 has no issues like that. Move on.

My point, which you're conveniently ignoring, is the simple fact that all MMOs right now have cash shops and charge a subscription fee. Yet here you are, on a forum of one game that does not charge a subscription fee, whining and complaining.

GW2 does have issues like that, many of them.  I'm tired of the debate about it and am moving on as you say.  In fact I have already dismissed any possibility of buying GW2.  I've moved on indeed...