Originally posted by Truelevel

 

MMO's used to be a beautiful thing... now its like crop intentionally grown for the purpose of feeding locust

Oh man this is PERFECT! I will quote you forever using this sentence. +10! :)

Originally posted by Flute

Originally posted by Onigod

i know many people that roleplay in Darkfall atleast in the europe server about NA server i dont know

There is a wide range, from Dwarf Only clans, Alfar Only clans, and Orc only clans, through to the anti-roleplayers who seek to war declare all roleplayers and kill them, in character of course as the vile and evil villian with no sense of humour and no mercy.  ;p

 

I have had ship crews who play pirate music over ventrillo every time we took a ship to sea, too, and didn't break character much  :)

yoho ho ho ho.....

no seriously, that sounds like fun jajajajaj.

Roleplaying must be part of the inmersion, but the playerbase is more adapted to compete, and grind and pull dungeons than just getting into their character shoes. the average joe mmo player just makes a fancy character (mostly female ones) and starts to kill x rats in order to get to the last lvl and then start to grind dungeons in order to become the motherf*fcker with over 9000 stats so he/she can start pwning other players in PvP. like if this was some sort of Call of Duty or Battlefield or another generic FPS or Action game.

ladies and gentlemen, MMORPGS became games for the average sellfish, consumist and capitalistic player, Roleplay is for the player who actually can enjoy the simplest parts of the game, not the LFR GOGOGO!!!.......

Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

Originally posted by Wolfthal

Originally posted by KeepInGates

I know what you're talking about. I remember not but a few years ago, I was an Imperial Stormtrooper, searching cantina patrons for contraband on mos eiesly. (Starsider, btw.)

 

I think it's Kids these days, bro. Their minds have been boggled down by the crap Tv shows, movies, and video games that seem to qualify as "Good writing".  Because of this, they don't know how to come up with a good story.

 

That's just my opinion. But it also could be that people are too lazy nowadays. Or find it "Uncool".

I tend to disagree. I am 13 and the lack of roleplay bothers me the most in MMO(RPG)s. Generalizing is not a cool thing, man. But, again, I am different - I like reading and writing, good music and playing the drums- unlike most kids these days. Roleplaying is expressing your feeling just like a writer would, but in a interactive and responsive world - which is what made it and makes it attractive. The problem is that people ruin it, like they ruin a lot of good things. Off topic, just like some are forgetting good music - Rock and Blues and Jazz - The Beatles, Elvis, Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Hendrix and a ton more. They are comercializing a good part of the games industry, and they are doing the same with other things such as music - which is bad. As for those who ruin Roleplay and think it's '"uncool" - well, to me, art is expressing your feelings, so Roleplay is an art. If you think art is uncool, then that is a whole different level and you are not worth my time. 

P.S: Sorry for any minor spelling mistakes, English is not my native language. 

  The force be with you. 

*Reads the post again*

BULLFU**INGSH**!

 

:). Age is a concept that shouldn't be used as a  meter. I can be just as mature as someone who is 18 or even older. Age is just one thing - who you are is completely different and doesn't really have anything to do with it. Generalizing really saddens me, but, afterall, the world did have a ton of bad changes in the last 50 years. Just because I wasn't born back then, I can see that some things worked better then than it does now. People change, industries change, the world changes - but sometimes to worse. Let's just hope it will change to something better in the future. As for Roleplaying, I am still seeking refugees where people still do this - being just multiplayer games or RPGs, I do not really care. Roleplaying is beyond the mechanics of a game, Roleplaying is art - Roleplaying is creativity - Roleplaying is living beyond your world, trying to escape - trying to do something that is not possible, and yet make it real. Roleplaying is not winning, as some said, there is NO WINNING. Roleplaying is beyond having a loser or not. It's art. And that's why some, these days, can't do it. It's too hard for them to process. It's what ruins the world. Power? Religion? Maybe. But the fact that people lower they're principles and aim lower is what really destroys important parts of history. Let's just hope it changes to better, as I said. 

[quote]ladies and gentlemen, MMORPGS became games for the average sellfish, consumist and capitalistic player, Roleplay is for the player who actually can enjoy the simplest parts of the game, not the LFR GOGOGO!!!.......    [/quote]

Roleplaying is not simple. That's what makes it so great. Roleplaying is creating, expressing, enhancing, acting and writing. Roleplaying is trying to become someone else and expand a universe in a way, apprently only text, yet so much more persistent. Those who see it as "uncool", they see it so because they either see people who are not good at it, or they cannot understand it. If you cannot see the reason behind a thing, or why the thing doesn't need a reason, they you shouldn't really do it - that's just my opinion, of course.

P.S: I didn't know how to quote another post inside my message, so I thought some regular BB code would work. 

Most of the time, I roleplay an asshole.

Originally posted by Wolfthal

Age is a concept that shouldn't be used as a  meter. I can be just as mature as someone who is 18 or even older. Age is just one thing - who you are is completely different and doesn't really have anything to do with it.

Erm. If maturity can't be measured by age, why do you say you can be as mature as an 18 year old? Your logic skills haven't developed quite to the end yet.

Also, age isn't a "concept". Your age is part of who you are. It has something to do with it. Maturity on the other hand is indeed a "concept" made by man and has nothing to do with your absolute properties (that means who you are), as it can't be measured.

Mind blown? I hope so.

Originally posted by FastSloth

 

Most of the time, I roleplay an asshole.

 

Originally posted by Wolfthal

Age is a concept that shouldn't be used as a  meter. I can be just as mature as someone who is 18 or even older. Age is just one thing - who you are is completely different and doesn't really have anything to do with it.

Erm. If maturity can't be measured by age, why do you say you can be as mature as an 18 year old? Your logic skills haven't developed quite to the end yet.

Also, age isn't a "concept". Your age is part of who you are. It has something to do with it. Maturity on the other hand is indeed a "concept" made by man and has nothing to do with your absolute properties (that means who you are), as it can't be measured.

 

Mind blown? I hope so.

You win on that one. Indeed, that was a paradox. Instead of that, let's just say that age cannot masure maturity. As for age, yes, it may not be a concept - and it may be a part of who you are - but to a certain point. It changes. Things who change cannot permanently characterize you. 

I think so. The other day I was driving by a park and saw them with capes and foam swords. Not long ago I came across a couple of guys cybering in a tavern in an mmorpg. I also saw this video online of this guy and his wife Role Playing as well.... It was hot!

The mindset is kind of dieing off. Most new/upcoming games don't really have good features for roleplayers as well anymore. I do occasionally see RP-only guilds recruiting in older/niche games. I imagine if your into it you would need to find a guild like that.

On the flip side cybering seems to be alive and well.

I personally don't enjoy the whole 'hail thou shalt blah blah blah' so I don't participate in them.

I can RP and 'pretend' or I can hang out with friends on vent, go kill this big dragon and get 'phat lewt'.

For me, if there is little fun in RP why RP?

I RP only in games that are built and intended specifically for that purpose.  That is not what MMOs are built for.  They are intended for combat and character progression, not roleplaying.

So no.  Nor should they.

Originally posted by maplestone

Originally posted by Quirhid

MMORPGs are best left to what they're doing right now.

Goodness ... this entire forum would go *poof* if people took that attitude.

And that's a bad thing how?

I have never role played in any mmo. The closest I ever came to it was climbing a mountain in FFXI because I thought a view would be cool. (Attowha Chasm, of course).

Originally posted by Suilebhain

I recall the good old days of DAOC where, on the roleplay servers, nearly everyone roleplayed to some degree

Even on roleplay servers, in MMOs the participation rate rarely ran higher than a trickle.

When the game companies ceased providing anything but lip-service, not even enforcing their own policies, we were officialy on our own.

I kinda miss RPing in MMOs. I remember a few years ago I played on WoW private servers for their RP. It was actually fun cause there were RP cross faction alliances between guilds and etc. I always loved it but people think it's childish and look at you funny when you do that in MMOs so it died down and made me sad. 

Roleplaying is for D&D, chatrooms and the bedroom.

In all places, I am Vin Diesel.

Sure do RP, but I usually save that for P&P nowadays.

RP is not something you can do by yourself and finding a good and fun gang for it is harder and harder nowadays.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by Suilebhain

I recall the good old days of DAOC where, on the roleplay servers, nearly everyone roleplayed to some degree

Even on roleplay servers, in MMOs the participation rate rarely ran higher than a trickle.

When the game companies ceased providing anything but lip-service, not even enforcing their own policies, we were officialy on our own.

Do you have any idea how many man-hours would go into policing those servers for every little thing that an RPer could call foul on?

For every regular server being left unnoticed, I just can't see that much of a paid presence going into appeasing the vocal minority. RPers will cry on global chat about names that don't suit *their* specific standards, people not talkig in-character, etc - and then when you tell them that crying on global like this is breaking their own rules, they just pull out the capslock.

I have no probs with RPers, in fact, I tend to join their servers just tosee how they function... but the ones that tend to speak out the most are just attention-seeking hypocrites.

I never RP'd when I was playing RPG's. I didn't act like Zelda, anyone from Legaia, any FF Game, etc. RPG video games never meant anything like that for me. MMORPGs were just an extrapolation of that same idea so I regarded them the same.

Back in my UO days I RPed. But back then RP didn't mean adding an "eth" to every thing. I RPed a shinobi. I gathered intel and sold it to enemy guilds. Some times I got paid to murder people. Some times I was sent to steal things. The way the game worked back then I could be what ever I wanted to be and act it out. Not sure how you can do any of that in the theme parks that the RP community seems to migrate to these days.

You have to find established communities that work together to find good RP.  I run the same guild I've run for 12+ years and we've always roleplayed in whatever game we play.  Sometimes we're stuck RPing with ourselves, but we always use it to enhance the game and get more out of it.  We also have a list of contacts with other RP guilds and we always get the word out to roll together.  Sadly Roleplay servers generally don't have much to offer these days anymore.  A lot of people roll on them thinking they can just get the RPers to roll over for them.  Our guild/community is heavy into RP-PvP so we're in our element on PvP servers and actually find better RP there than the labelled RP servers which is odd.  The other issue is how you define RP.  If you define it as sitting around in a tavern not actually doing anything, then, no, we don't roleplay anymore, but if its about a deeper structure, hosting events and enhancing the game environment then you can count us amongst the still actively roleplaying crowd.

Originally posted by GTwander

Do you have any idea how many man-hours would go into policing those servers for every little thing that an RPer could call foul on?

Do you?  Please, tell us.  Actual staffing hours and payrolls, please.

No?  Thought not.