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  AdamTM

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I'M PUNCHING YOUR SALAD!!!!

6/18/12 9:15:49 PM#21
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Keyh

What about your in-game graphics options? What is your lighting set at? I'm assuming you're running in Dx11? If you post your exact in-game settings, we can try to see if we can recreate it at least.

Have you double checked and made sure you're not doing any AA/AF through the Nvidia control panel (both in the Globla, and Program specific settings)? I know you said you messed around in there after the fact, but it may be worth double checking.

Also, have you made sure you're not running any sort of overlay program (just in case), e.g. Xfire, Fraps, Steam Overlay, etc?

no overlay software, in game settings at ultra, fxaa tried both regular and HQ everything else off. Tried it at each graphical setting though. Turned all nvidia options to application-controlled. I have tried dx11 and dx9 clients same thing on both

Did you try to turn V-sync off?

yup tried vsync on/off tried the new adaptive setting.. I tried my second monitor hooked up just in case still same thing

Do you get this problem at lower settings too?

I.e. turn everything off except for AA and slowly start enabling things again and see when the problem appears.

 

  Aerowyn

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6/18/12 9:16:57 PM#22
Originally posted by Acidon
Originally posted by Aerowyn                yup tried vsync on/off tried the new adaptive setting.. I tried my second monitor hooked up just in case still same thing

 

that's interesting.  Granted I only tried the beta for about 20 mins so I didn't really get real fickle with the gfx, but I have never had a problem with this.  Don't get me wrong, you seem to have exhausted all options.

With any other game, I had to either put hardware settings at app default and run it in-game, or the exact opposite.  But always, one or the other would work.

 

I just skimmed the replies, something I don't usually do mind you, but if it hasn't been suggested yet, go thru the driver archives and get some older drivers to try.  There's no telling what drivers they have been using on a reg. basis to test the game in-house.

Before you do that, get Driver Sweeper from guru3d dot com and sweep your system of all video files first.  Always a good idea, but especially when going backward.

 

Other than that, I have nothing to add.  Best of luck though.  I hope they either figure it out on their end or something happens to your benefit in another way.

tried the old 200 series drivers the latest certified 300 series driver and the brand new 300 series beta driver all no dice... I'm re-downloading the client now since I really can't think of anything else...

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Aerowyn

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6/18/12 9:17:45 PM#23
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Keyh

What about your in-game graphics options? What is your lighting set at? I'm assuming you're running in Dx11? If you post your exact in-game settings, we can try to see if we can recreate it at least.

Have you double checked and made sure you're not doing any AA/AF through the Nvidia control panel (both in the Globla, and Program specific settings)? I know you said you messed around in there after the fact, but it may be worth double checking.

Also, have you made sure you're not running any sort of overlay program (just in case), e.g. Xfire, Fraps, Steam Overlay, etc?

no overlay software, in game settings at ultra, fxaa tried both regular and HQ everything else off. Tried it at each graphical setting though. Turned all nvidia options to application-controlled. I have tried dx11 and dx9 clients same thing on both

Did you try to turn V-sync off?

yup tried vsync on/off tried the new adaptive setting.. I tried my second monitor hooked up just in case still same thing

Do you get this problem at lower settings too?

I.e. turn everything off except for AA and slowly start enabling things again and see when the problem appears.

yea issue is at all settings low to ultra

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  AdamTM

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Joined: 5/05/05
Posts: 1395

I'M PUNCHING YOUR SALAD!!!!

6/18/12 9:23:38 PM#24
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Keyh

What about your in-game graphics options? What is your lighting set at? I'm assuming you're running in Dx11? If you post your exact in-game settings, we can try to see if we can recreate it at least.

Have you double checked and made sure you're not doing any AA/AF through the Nvidia control panel (both in the Globla, and Program specific settings)? I know you said you messed around in there after the fact, but it may be worth double checking.

Also, have you made sure you're not running any sort of overlay program (just in case), e.g. Xfire, Fraps, Steam Overlay, etc?

no overlay software, in game settings at ultra, fxaa tried both regular and HQ everything else off. Tried it at each graphical setting though. Turned all nvidia options to application-controlled. I have tried dx11 and dx9 clients same thing on both

Did you try to turn V-sync off?

yup tried vsync on/off tried the new adaptive setting.. I tried my second monitor hooked up just in case still same thing

Do you get this problem at lower settings too?

I.e. turn everything off except for AA and slowly start enabling things again and see when the problem appears.

yea issue is at all settings low to ultra

 

Because what im suspecting is that it might actually be an optical illusion and not an AA issue per se.

This is supported by using both DX9 and DX11. If it was a driver/engine-issue this should give you different results.

 

The drivers call the DX libraries, if it would be an AA issue different DX settings should give you different results as it calls different libraries to render AA.

I'm not perfectly fluent on the DX architecture but I think that having the same problem on all AA renders is an indicator that it either goes beyond the engine or that its not there at all and is just an optical illusion.

 

The video is not helpful because its a badly compressed mess.

Can you capture a new video that is fullscreen. you could also try a one second series of screenshots at your FPS 100% quality JPGs so we can see what you are talking about.

  Acidon

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6/18/12 9:25:53 PM#25

I know this is a very long-shot, and one you may not even like to answer.. But are you Aerowyn from EQ1 back in the day?

Sorry for being off-topic.   

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  Keyh

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Joined: 4/30/06
Posts: 125

6/18/12 9:27:39 PM#26

Sounds like you tested pretty extensively. Not sure what else to do.

It could be install related (though, I doubt it), you could try reinstalling the game.

 

Just pulling stuff out of my ass now, you may want to also try:

 

1. Running as administrator

2. Running in Compatibility mode

3. Killing every non-essential process

Do you know if this occurs in AoC as well? Could point to some sort of engine specific issue (and you can see if there are fixes for it for AoC that work for TSW).

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

 
6/18/12 9:33:19 PM#27
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Keyh

What about your in-game graphics options? What is your lighting set at? I'm assuming you're running in Dx11? If you post your exact in-game settings, we can try to see if we can recreate it at least.

Have you double checked and made sure you're not doing any AA/AF through the Nvidia control panel (both in the Globla, and Program specific settings)? I know you said you messed around in there after the fact, but it may be worth double checking.

Also, have you made sure you're not running any sort of overlay program (just in case), e.g. Xfire, Fraps, Steam Overlay, etc?

no overlay software, in game settings at ultra, fxaa tried both regular and HQ everything else off. Tried it at each graphical setting though. Turned all nvidia options to application-controlled. I have tried dx11 and dx9 clients same thing on both

Did you try to turn V-sync off?

yup tried vsync on/off tried the new adaptive setting.. I tried my second monitor hooked up just in case still same thing

Do you get this problem at lower settings too?

I.e. turn everything off except for AA and slowly start enabling things again and see when the problem appears.

yea issue is at all settings low to ultra

 

Because what im suspecting is that it might actually be an optical illusion and not an AA issue per se.

This is supported by using both DX9 and DX11. If it was a driver/engine-issue this should give you different results.

 

The drivers call the DX libraries, if it would be an AA issue different DX settings should give you different results as it calls different libraries to render AA.

I'm not perfectly fluent on the DX architecture but I think that having the same problem on all AA renders is an indicator that it either goes beyond the engine or that its not there at all and is just an optical illusion.

 

The video is not helpful because its a badly compressed mess.

Can you capture a new video that is fullscreen. you could also try a one second series of screenshots at your FPS 100% quality JPGs so we can see what you are talking about.

I'm redownloading client now but CB is still in NDA so can't take video ingame.. the video I linked if you play it at 1080p can see the issue pretty clearly.. Just watch the fence line and see how it shimmers as the character moves.

I had similar issues I remember with SWTOR but once I found a good AA bit for nvdia inspector and set SGSSAA for transperancy AA and 4x MSAA and it killed pretty much all the shimmering.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

 
6/18/12 9:34:27 PM#28
Originally posted by Acidon

I know this is a very long-shot, and one you may not even like to answer.. But are you Aerowyn from EQ1 back in the day?

Sorry for being off-topic.   

nope I played EQ1 but can't remember what name I used way back then:P... I just came up with Aerowyn recently.. although who knows maybe I did use it back then.. lol was sooooo long ago

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  AdamTM

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Joined: 5/05/05
Posts: 1395

I'M PUNCHING YOUR SALAD!!!!

6/18/12 9:37:47 PM#29
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Keyh

What about your in-game graphics options? What is your lighting set at? I'm assuming you're running in Dx11? If you post your exact in-game settings, we can try to see if we can recreate it at least.

Have you double checked and made sure you're not doing any AA/AF through the Nvidia control panel (both in the Globla, and Program specific settings)? I know you said you messed around in there after the fact, but it may be worth double checking.

Also, have you made sure you're not running any sort of overlay program (just in case), e.g. Xfire, Fraps, Steam Overlay, etc?

no overlay software, in game settings at ultra, fxaa tried both regular and HQ everything else off. Tried it at each graphical setting though. Turned all nvidia options to application-controlled. I have tried dx11 and dx9 clients same thing on both

Did you try to turn V-sync off?

yup tried vsync on/off tried the new adaptive setting.. I tried my second monitor hooked up just in case still same thing

Do you get this problem at lower settings too?

I.e. turn everything off except for AA and slowly start enabling things again and see when the problem appears.

yea issue is at all settings low to ultra

 

Because what im suspecting is that it might actually be an optical illusion and not an AA issue per se.

This is supported by using both DX9 and DX11. If it was a driver/engine-issue this should give you different results.

 

The drivers call the DX libraries, if it would be an AA issue different DX settings should give you different results as it calls different libraries to render AA.

I'm not perfectly fluent on the DX architecture but I think that having the same problem on all AA renders is an indicator that it either goes beyond the engine or that its not there at all and is just an optical illusion.

 

The video is not helpful because its a badly compressed mess.

Can you capture a new video that is fullscreen. you could also try a one second series of screenshots at your FPS 100% quality JPGs so we can see what you are talking about.

I'm redownloading client now but CB is still in NDA so can't take video ingame.. the video I linked if you play it at 1080p can see the issue pretty clearly.. Just watch the fence line and see how it shimmers as the character moves.

I had similar issues I remember with SWTOR but once I found a good AA bit for nvdia inspector and set SGSSAA for transperancy AA and 4x MSAA and it killed pretty much all the shimmering.

Yes the edge shimmers, but since the video is just half the screen even at 1080p i cant magnify it and see if its actually an AA issue.

I've seen similar stuff happen where the problem was AF not the AA.

Game-engines render things differently and i cant say if the shimmer might not be some artifact from the bumpmapping or badly filtered spec-texture at a distance for example.

  ZombieKen

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6/18/12 9:39:37 PM#30

A couple of thoughts.

 

Check the video card control panel for quality-performance settings.  These can throw off some renderers.  Clear any game specific overrides, clear the main settings back to defaults.  There are optimizations present at low and normal that are likely turned off at high.  Try all 3 :-)  The bugs happen when a card's driver has an optimization that was never tested when the engine was created.

 

A specific setting that can mess with  image quality is negative LOD bias.  This is a modern trick to make textures look sharper, but it generates artifacts that look like AA noise.  Check card control panel for LOD bias settings.  Options should be something like "allow" and "clamp".  If you clamp and the noise goes away, then it worked.  If not better, just leave it on allow.

 

If you notice that artifacts tend to happen on flat surfaces that have transparency (like a chain link fence), then it could be transparency AA.  FSAA only works on geometric shapes, not those faked using transparency.  Transparency AA might be an in-game setting, or you can override in the cards control panel.  Options are usually Off, Multisampling and Supersampling.  Super is the best quality.

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

 
6/18/12 9:45:35 PM#31
Originally posted by XAPGames

A couple of thoughts.

 

Check the video card control panel for quality-performance settings.  These can throw off some renderers.  Clear any game specific overrides, clear the main settings back to defaults.  There are optimizations present at low and normal that are likely turned off at high.  Try all 3 :-)  The bugs happen when a card's driver has an optimization that was never tested when the engine was created.

 

A specific setting that can mess with  image quality is negative LOD bias.  This is a modern trick to make textures look sharper, but it generates artifacts that look like AA noise.  Check card control panel for LOD bias settings.  Options should be something like "allow" and "clamp".  If you clamp and the noise goes away, then it worked.  If not better, just leave it on allow.

 

If you notice that artifacts tend to happen on flat surfaces that have transparency (like a chain link fence), then it could be transparency AA.  FSAA only works on geometric shapes, not those faked using transparency.  Transparency AA might be an in-game setting, or you can override in the cards control panel.  Options are usually Off, Multisampling and Supersampling.  Super is the best quality.

tried at high quality and high texture filtering in nvidia control panel. Also tried both clamp and allow problem doesn't change. I think it is actually a transperancy AA or and AF issues because of how it shimmers but no matter what I set transperancy AA to in nvidia's control panel nothing changes in game. 

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Aerowyn

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6/18/12 9:46:42 PM#32
Originally posted by AdamTM
 

Yes the edge shimmers, but since the video is just half the screen even at 1080p i cant magnify it and see if its actually an AA issue.

I've seen similar stuff happen where the problem was AF not the AA.

Game-engines render things differently and i cant say if the shimmer might not be some artifact from the bumpmapping or badly filtered spec-texture at a distance for example.

the shimmering is the issue as everything has this effect. Every car edge, every fence edge, every building edge shimmers when moving. 

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  ZombieKen

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6/18/12 11:02:18 PM#33
Originally posted by Aerowyn
or and AF issues because of how it shimmers but no matter what I set transperancy AA to in nvidia's control panel nothing changes in game.

AF?  Not one I recognize.

  Acidon

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6/19/12 12:51:59 AM#34
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Acidon

I know this is a very long-shot, and one you may not even like to answer.. But are you Aerowyn from EQ1 back in the day?

Sorry for being off-topic.   

nope I played EQ1 but can't remember what name I used way back then:P... I just came up with Aerowyn recently.. although who knows maybe I did use it back then.. lol was sooooo long ago

 

Hey that's cool.  From time to time I really regret not staying in touch with the dozens of amazing people that I knew back then.  Back when the MMORPG world was vastly different.

Anyway, I do appreciate the response regardless.  Best of luck!

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6/19/12 12:53:40 AM#35
Originally posted by XAPGames
Originally posted by Aerowyn
or and AF issues because of how it shimmers but no matter what I set transperancy AA to in nvidia's control panel nothing changes in game.

AF?  Not one I recognize.

 

Anisotropic Filtering.  In very basic terms, it makes things (especially the ground) much more detailed as you move about the world.  This is obviously different that AA, which you're aware of.

 

EDIT:  With no AF enabled, you'll see lines or possibly blurs the farther out you look on the ground.  These are the separation points in quality, getting worse as the distance becomes greater.  In times past, with older video cards (and CPUs), this was a way to preserve resources.

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6/19/12 11:03:35 AM#36

just update no dice with client re-install:( going to try couple more things after work but at a loss here...:(

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6/19/12 11:45:14 AM#37

I didn't read every single post in this thread my apologies if has been mentioned.

Have you tried those Nvidia FXAA Injectors

I'm not sure how you do it as I own an ATI/AMD card. I only know about it because someone was using it to take improved screenshots of Age of Conan using it. It got rid of a lot of the jaggies and improved the look of the game.

Maybe look into that?

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6/19/12 12:25:04 PM#38
Originally posted by Aerowyn

just update no dice with client re-install:( going to try couple more things after work but at a loss here...:(

Why don't you post a screenshot on the closed beta forum and ask the devs?

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6/19/12 3:24:08 PM#39
Originally posted by Blackbrrd
Originally posted by Aerowyn

just update no dice with client re-install:( going to try couple more things after work but at a loss here...:(

Why don't you post a screenshot on the closed beta forum and ask the devs?

i have no one responded but couple players who said they either have not noticed the issue or have no clue what I'm talking about or gave me all the suggestions given in this thread which I have already tried

 

oh also you can't really see it in screenshots since it happens when you are moving

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6/19/12 3:25:15 PM#40
Originally posted by Sevenwind

I didn't read every single post in this thread my apologies if has been mentioned.

Have you tried those Nvidia FXAA Injectors

I'm not sure how you do it as I own an ATI/AMD card. I only know about it because someone was using it to take improved screenshots of Age of Conan using it. It got rid of a lot of the jaggies and improved the look of the game.

Maybe look into that?

actually have not tried the injectors yet... ill give that a shot tonight

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