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  ktanner3

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6/16/12 10:01:10 AM#61
Originally posted by Zuvielify
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by evianwater

Eh not sure how they've been messy..

 

Very very few problems with the actual transfers. They process very quickly. The transfers are pretty obvious. (West coast PvP servers -> to west coast pvp servers, RP-Pvp servers -> to rp-pvp servers...)

 

I think this is much better then what Rift did with the free transfers early on. All the other games I've played have always charged for server transfers or just merged servers completely.. So that's about the extent of my expirience.

 I transferred four characters in barely 5 minutes. For me it hasn't been an issue.

Same. I thought the server transfer was seamless.

 

I actually resubbed because of it all

 Welcome back :)

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  rdrakken

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6/16/12 10:06:24 AM#62
Originally posted by Skuz

Massively didn't really do much aside from jump on the badwagon a certain disgruntled few were already on

 Few? 2.4 million in sales, 1.3 mil sub number given after 30 months free kicks in to pad numbers, a week of Bioware tossing out the idea that F2P is possible...a few...lol.

You CAN like the game and still not force yourself to wear blinders. All you are doing is compounding the issue of the game losing people in mass by allowing player issues to not be heard because you are drowning them out with BS like this. Allow people to be heard by Bioware otherwise they will never figure out why so many people actually left the game. All you are doing is walking face first into a brick wall by blinding defending the game just because YOU like it.

  Cavod

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OP  6/16/12 2:15:40 PM#63


Originally posted by raistlinm
How?!?!?!

-Announce merger... I mean transfer date. Time comes and everyone is clueless.

-Finally, a handful of servers show up... people WTF!!!

-Over the next few days, players are left in the dark whether or not they'll be getting transferred and if so, where to.

-Weekend shows up and a bunch of servers are still left wondering who what where how when why.

-Players reporting issues with transfers, BW blames players then comes out and takes responsibility implementing the 'fix'.

-Players having more than 8 characters due to having 5+ on two different servers which were merged into the same destination.

-Queue times again... the problem that caused all of this in the first place.

-Large lag problems in both movement and chat being reported.


Honestly, the only thing that went 'smoothly' was the copy/paste of characters and even then your mileage may vary.

Empathy and understanding, a concept lost upon many.



Originally posted by raistlinm
I swear talking about TOR is like trying to convince people the ocean isn't on fire.

Except that you're actually trying to convince people that the ocean IS on fire... you just think otherwise from your fandom pov.



Originally posted by Moaky07
 you gotta call the good with the bad

Exactly, something most fans are incapable of.


Originally posted by Skuz
jump on the badwagon a certain disgruntled few
...
I think BioWare are doing a good job
...

Haters gonna hate.

Like the few people who left the game and got us into this pickle in the first place. Or was it BW's 'good job' of making too many servers that got us here.


Yes, let's KEEP ignoring the civil dissent because that's surely the way to make the game better. -.-;


Calling 'hater' on subscribers who see other's legitimate issues or who have legitimate issues is down right sophomoric and the reason why I'm often and wrongfully called a biodrone when I give SWTOR it's due.

We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  User Deleted
6/16/12 2:19:13 PM#64

When your only one claim to fame is $300 million spent on Voice Acting you gotta realize this game would never last.

  Moaky07

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MMO sandbox games are as exciting as watching paint dry.

6/16/12 3:22:50 PM#65
Originally posted by Zylaxx

When your only one claim to fame is $300 million spent on Voice Acting you gotta realize this game would never last.

GW2's claim to fame is B2P, and some of the twits around here wont STFU about it.....so what is your point? If it is that you can blow numbers out your ass pertaining to the cost of VO, you are doing an admirable job.

 

People enjoy different aspects when it comes to gaming. Folks are always complaining around here that they want something different, yet when a game is different, it becomes a case of "well it wasnt my kind of different".

Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  Cavod

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OP  6/16/12 4:25:58 PM#66
Originally posted by Moaky07

GW2's claim to fame is B2P, and some of the twits around here wont STFU about it.....so what is your point?

Have you tried it?  It's actually a pretty fun and well thought out game.  I doubt B2P has anything to do with why 'twits' won't shut up about it nor it's 'claim to fame'.

We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  Atlan99

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6/16/12 5:05:14 PM#67
Originally posted by Cavod

Snip

I think you are misrepresenting the problem and blowing things out of proportion. Much like Massively.

I resubbed a few days ago to give myself something to do.  My server wasn't up the first day of transfers. Second day it was. I went to my account and moved all my characters to the new server. It took me 10 minutes. As soon as I was done I could log in and play on the new servers. The new servers were packed quickly. It honestly couldn't have went much better.

 

The complaints seem to be minor things, more people being petty. Like having to reform their guild/possible loss of guild name. Having to change their name. Not wanting to have to move off their server.

  Cavod

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OP  6/16/12 5:53:59 PM#68
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by Cavod

Snip

I think you are misrepresenting the problem and blowing things out of proportion. Much like Massively.

I resubbed a few days ago to give myself something to do.  My server wasn't up the first day of transfers. Second day it was. I went to my account and moved all my characters to the new server. It took me 10 minutes. As soon as I was done I could log in and play on the new servers. The new servers were packed quickly. It honestly couldn't have went much better.

 

The complaints seem to be minor things, more people being petty. Like having to reform their guild/possible loss of guild name. Having to change their name. Not wanting to have to move off their server.

I'm sorry you feel that way but you're wrong and there's nothing petty about it.  You did nothing to show otherwise and only offered your personal experience.  One of many does not make a whole.

 

I've been through countless server mergers in my over 12 years of MMO gaming.  Messy is a perfect description of what happened as 'messy' isn't overly harsh but doesn't ignore the problems. 

 

Messy does not mean horrible, it does not mean broken... it means a mess. (disordered, confusion) Can you still walk through a messy bedroom? sleep? work? get dressed? etc...  Some children even have no trouble living in their messy bedrooms and find it harder once it's cleaned.(welcome to being just that)  That doesn't mean it's not messy though.  A messy bedroom is still a fully functioning bedroom.

 

Misrepresenting a point of view and then arguing the misrepresented point of view is called a straw man argument. 

 

You say it couldn't have gone better yet I've been through full server mergers that HAVE gone better, so..... yeah.  Thanks for trying though.

 

We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  Slampig

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Whatever you do, do NOT speak ill of Asheron's Call 2...

6/16/12 6:01:29 PM#69
Originally posted by Cavod

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/14/sorting-through-the-swtor-server-transfer-mess/

 

r/SWTOR's response


http://www.reddit.com/r/swtor/comments/v2sa9/massively_joystiq_charaterizes_server_transfers_a/

"dont give them any page views"

"F*** massively and their crap!"

"Game journalism is a joke"

"...this week you could see the bias that was coming before this article was written"

"A mess? What are they smoking?"

"Just a prime example of terrible writing"

 

 

Thoughts? 

Way to cherry pick. 

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  Atlan99

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Posts: 1355

6/16/12 6:04:43 PM#70
Originally posted by Cavod
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by Cavod

Snip

I think you are misrepresenting the problem and blowing things out of proportion. Much like Massively.

I resubbed a few days ago to give myself something to do.  My server wasn't up the first day of transfers. Second day it was. I went to my account and moved all my characters to the new server. It took me 10 minutes. As soon as I was done I could log in and play on the new servers. The new servers were packed quickly. It honestly couldn't have went much better.

 

The complaints seem to be minor things, more people being petty. Like having to reform their guild/possible loss of guild name. Having to change their name. Not wanting to have to move off their server.

I'm sorry you feel that way but you're wrong and there's nothing petty about it.  You did nothing to show otherwise and only offered your personal experience.  One of many does not make a whole.

 

I've been through countless server mergers in my over 12 years of MMO gaming.  Messy is a perfect description of what happened as 'messy' isn't overly harsh but doesn't ignore the problems. 

 

Messy does not mean horrible, it does not mean broken... it means a mess. (disordered, confusion) Can you still walk through a messy bedroom? sleep? work? get dressed? etc...  Some children even have no trouble living in their messy bedrooms and find it harder once it's cleaned.(welcome to being just that)  That doesn't mean it's not messy though.  A messy bedroom is still a fully functioning bedroom.

 

Misrepresenting a point of view and then arguing the misrepresented point of view is called a straw man argument. 

 

You say it couldn't have gone better yet I've been through full server mergers that HAVE gone better, so..... yeah.  Thanks for trying though.

 

What was messy? How could it have been better?

Let's try and make a case rather than just saying your wrong. Try proving it.

I say misrepresenting because for the most part everyone seems happy about the mergers. You know the people in the game, not the ones on the forums. I have yet to hear a single complaint in game.

  Cavod

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OP  6/16/12 6:27:46 PM#71
Originally posted by Atlan99

What was messy? How could it have been better?

Let's try and make a case rather than just saying your wrong. Try proving it.

I say misrepresenting because for the most part everyone seems happy about the mergers. You know the people in the game, not the ones on the forums. I have yet to hear a single complaint in game.

You mean like exactly what you're doing? ;p

 

I already listed some issues.  It was in your post when you snip'd my quote. ;)
 

Oh but here's a few more I found in a matter of 5 minutes (which is quite fast for something that happened 5 days ago on the net)

http://imgur.com/XFwhv

http://i.imgur.com/RYgyg.jpg

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=4638398

http://www.reddit.com/r/swtor/comments/uxuew/psa_caution_when_renaming_your_characters/

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=480756

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=4649981#post4649981

 

 

Also, remember how I mentioned the word 'confusion' as part of the definition of mess... yeah, there's that with the whole 'wtf is even going on' when Tuesday rolled around.  Heck, even BW has stated a few times they didn't know exactly what they were going to do and were taking a 'wait and see' approach.  Now, I AGREE with their reasons why lest they screw up even more about this game but nevertheless, that is definitive proof even they didn't know how it was going to go. ;)

 

 

 

 

@Slampig

Reddit is a fickle site when it comes to new posts.  NOW it may look like I cherry picked but those were the top comments when I made the thread.  No need to get ruffled.

We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  Atlan99

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6/16/12 7:06:31 PM#72
Originally posted by Cavod
 

http://imgur.com/XFwhv

http://i.imgur.com/RYgyg.jpg

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=4638398

http://www.reddit.com/r/swtor/comments/uxuew/psa_caution_when_renaming_your_characters/

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=480756

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=4649981#post4649981

 

 

None of those post show any major problems. Like I said for the most part the server transfer was a complete success.

Your nitpicking about minor details and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

  Cavod

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OP  6/16/12 7:19:55 PM#73
Originally posted by Atlan99

None of those post show any major problems. Like I said for the most part the server transfer was a complete success.

Your nitpicking about minor details and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Hey, I have an idea.  How about you take your own words under advisement and start proving and backing up your opinion with more than 'you're wrong'. 

 

You've obviously made up your mind and resort to nothing but a straw man argument(claiming I said there were major problems... protip, I didn't and neither did Massively.  You'd know this if you read the article.) so I'm not going to waste anymore of my time.

 

P.S. I'm reminded of this http://i.imgur.com/0GIhu.jpg

We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  Atlan99

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6/16/12 7:24:15 PM#74
Originally posted by Cavod
Originally posted by Atlan99

None of those post show any major problems. Like I said for the most part the server transfer was a complete success.

Your nitpicking about minor details and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Hey, I have an idea.  How about you take your own words under advisement and start proving and backing up your opinion with more than 'you're wrong'. 

 

You've obviously made up your mind and resort to nothing but a straw man argument(claiming I said there were major problems... protip, I didn't and neither did Massively.  You'd know this if you read the article.) so I'm not going to waste anymore of my time.

 

P.S. I'm reminded of this http://i.imgur.com/0GIhu.jpg

I gave you me example. Which was not messy at all. This mirrored what everybody else in game thought that I ran across. If it was messy you would think people would complain in game. Instead the most common complaint was guild spam.

Please give me you own messy story. All you have done is link people nitpicking because the number of characters is wrong on the selection screen. 

Massively complained because certain servers were picked. That's it. It's nitpicking on a minor detail and blowing it out of proportion to drive traffic to their site.

TBH I think you have messy mistaken with minor inconvience.

ADDED Link

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=479377

Forum post about how the Transfer was PERFECT. Most ppl in the thread seem to agree it was fast and smooth.

 

  Hazelle

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6/17/12 5:12:40 PM#75

click. click. click. Character transferred.  Login to new server.  Load saved UI.  Play game.

Yeah that's real messy.

Heck, it even told me that one of my toons had mail.

 

  Cavod

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OP  6/17/12 5:26:37 PM#76
Originally posted by Hazelle

click. click. click. Character transferred.  Login to new server.  Load saved UI.  Play game.

Yeah that's real messy.

Heck, it even told me that one of my toons had mail.

 

Did you even read the article?  I feel pretty confident I already know the answer.

 

Tip: The mess is not referring to what you spoke about. 

 

I doubt anyone is arguing the copy and paste capabilities of BW, despite how hard some people in this thread are trying to make it that way with their straw man arguments.

We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  Purutzil

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 2847

The Critical Hit Pretzel!

6/17/12 5:44:34 PM#77

I love how people call something Bias as soon as its against their game, but if they are sucking up to the game and giving it completely fluffed ratings and reviews, its perfectly fine. Hypocrits are always hilarious.

  wrekognize

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Posts: 385

6/17/12 5:47:36 PM#78
Originally posted by MMOGamer71

I love reading SWTOR links.  Is there a more divided game community out there?

 Not really. The majority of the community agreed the game sucked, which is why they are no longer subscribed.

  Moaky07

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Joined: 2/24/07
Posts: 2199

MMO sandbox games are as exciting as watching paint dry.

6/17/12 5:48:35 PM#79
Originally posted by Cavod
Originally posted by Moaky07

GW2's claim to fame is B2P, and some of the twits around here wont STFU about it.....so what is your point?

Have you tried it?  It's actually a pretty fun and well thought out game.  I doubt B2P has anything to do with why 'twits' won't shut up about it nor it's 'claim to fame'.

No I havent tried it, nor will I. I also wont go into that forum to carry on about a game I wont be playing. If I do show up in a live game forum of something I have no interest in, I dont do my best to troll the folks that are enjoying themselves. I sure as hell wont do it day after day after day to boot.

 

Pity I cant expect the same courtesy.

 

It is blatantly obvious who shows up in these forums to troll those of us who do like this game. Stick around a while, if it isnt pretty obvious to you as well, I would suggest a CAT scan.

Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  erictlewis

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Joined: 11/08/08
Posts: 3058

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

6/17/12 5:52:34 PM#80

Oh well I read the feedback, and wow those guys have no clue or they were the luck guys that got to move. Unlike 20% of us on servers who are now stuck, and we don't know if we are going to get to transfer or what. Not to mention loaded up the servers now to where I been reading folks have 30-60 minutes ques.  So yes it is a mess.  Massively called it, and I will too.  EA/Bioware are a bunch of incompetent fools.

 

 

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