Originally posted by ShakyMo
WvW is NOT an improvement upon daoc rvr. It's good, its better than war, its probably better than Tsws own take on the concept. But its not a patch on daoc or planetside because there is NO RIVALRY.

Server rivalries will likely begin to happen as the cream rises to the top. The same top ten servers are likely to see each other more often than not. Hopefully they'll have official server forums so that people can get proper trash talk going.

This is my first opportunity at Beta so my experience thus far has all been in Kingsmouth. I'm BIG on story and I enjoy themparks, I like LOTRO, SW TOR and Guild Wars/Guild Wars 2 for story but I'm having a problem with staying motivated to keep on with TSW....

I think the problem with TSW for me is that.. I dunno... it developes really slow, slower it seems, if you can believe it, than LOTRO and SW TOR.   And I think it's because I am not really enjoying all the sidequests/missions that I need to do to build up my character to move on to the next main story/questline.

There is a TON of quests in Kingsmouth, and I'm just not feeling most of them. Maybe the hearts and DE in GW2 ruined me on traditional questing type games, (and no matter what they say, both GW2 and TSW are traditional quest/themepark games with a slight variation to the questing formula, the difference is that GW2 makes it feel less like your run of the mill themepark than TSW does) 

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
How can you have rivals when you can't see their bloody name! How can you build good rivalries when they swap who you fight every 2 weeks. WvW is fun but it will never have the longevity of rvr. It's just so much more "gamey". I will play gw2, but I don't expect to play it for years like daoc. My hopes for that rest with TESO and planetside2 (providing it doesn't have pay 2 win)

I'd prefer names too. Didn't DAoC also share this design decision? I never got into DAoC.

nvm

Originally posted by Mephster

Well people criticized me when I quit after a few quests. Why put yourself through torture when the game isn't that good to begin with ? Though hey, so many have already said this game isn't good but some still  must be a glutton for punishment.

the problem is not that people say it is good or bad, it is because there is putted very little energy into explaining what exactly it is they think is good.

its just like the usual sentence you see in my beta´s, the game become good at level x ..... but rarely explain what happens at that level - usually found it to be the levels where instance grinding starts, and to me that point wouldnt safe a MMO for me...but can as well be alot of other things.

finally found someone who enjoy TSW to talk about the actual game, beyond the if you dont like it, go play one of your beloved WoW clones, and atleast found a part that Id find awesome - am not sure it will safe this game for me, but the energy they put into out of game connections to what happen inside of the game is nothing but amazing imo....gives a sense of the game is bigger than what happens inside of it.

didnt get to play it this weekend sadly, and for me too the little I saw inside of the game were just bad to me, didnt like the way it played and because of the setting, it just annoyed me you couldnt interact with the environment, as you d expect by now, just makes the game feel like one from the late 90s....but what Ive heard and seen actually made me want to atleast try it once again...

Originally posted by maitrader

Originally posted by Crunchy221

Yeah i see a lot of this.  People who are absolutely pumped about GW2 hate this game.

 

Personally im fine with that crowd disliking and shunning the game.  Its the same crowed i played Aion at launch with, and Rift at launch, and SWTOR at launch...not only do they ALWAYS choose to overhype a medicore but i find myself with a jam packed block list and global chat closed...something i certainly didnt have to worry about while beta testing TSW.

Its a completely diffrent crowd and this game appeals to a completely diffrent gamers tastes, and i believe that was the goal in development.

 

While i played GW2 i saw the standard community i had grow to dislike, concerned only with most OP class and quickest rout to endgame, and easiest pvp win...on top of chat full of old meme jokes and LOL@Alienware topics, typically with people pretending that alienware is awesome and the people who will act shocked that people would make that comment...its a tired conversation that isnt even real...lol-troll i guess you could call it.  

 

I wont comment on what i thought of that games core mechanics other than same old in a new package. Im sure it will be a good pvp game and im sure ill get around to playing it after launch some time (after the overhype crowd determins it a fail game and turns to haters of it and leaving of course)

While in TSW community was more question/help and i actually saw a few real discussions, my hope is that it will be more like anarchy onlines community, which actually drove away the lol-troll kids or made them feel dumb enough to where they acted normal.

 

I would probablyt be happier in game with a sub pop around  50k-150k rather than a pop around 1-2mil as it seems the larger they get the harder it is to find normal people, and the cruddier player interaction becomes.

 

Bottom line with gameplay between the two, for me it seems GW2 is focused on players competing for dominance over eachother, where TSW seems more like a game you play to enjoy the game and figure out stuff.

 

The only thing i feel that is missing from TSW is some form of guild vs guild seiging mechanics, thats the pvp i love most as far as long term enjoyment.

 

Bravo my friend... I look forward to enjoying TSWs amazingness with you WITHOUT the Rift/SWTOR/Gw2 crowd :) what faction you going?

I played Rift, SWTOR and will be playing GW2. I also played pre NGE SWG, I play EVE, I will be playing the repopulation and I even used to play Ryzom a good few years ago.

I love MMORPGs I try to play them all because you never really know until playing them if they will come good, you are just being narrowminded and trying to make yourself feel like you are better than everyone else because you "Get" the secret world and others don't.

Originally posted by Nitth

I dont understand why it has to be compared to gw2. It just doesnt.

Can someone make a discussion describing what they do or don't like about the TSW without pulling other games into it?

You haven't described what you didnt like. or what you think would be better without resulting to gw2.

 

In regards to your "why do you think its niche" statements, They Have said they desire 500k subs. They declared themselves niche, what we think or want is irrelevant.

I understand that.   You understand that.   Most people, however, suffer from what you'd learn in Sociology 101 as ethnocentrism.  Essentially they create the 'in group' and the 'out group.'   The 'in group (even if completely identical or even inferior)' is 'better.'    The out group (even if better) is 'worse.'

With that said, I love GW2.   It meets a tremendous number of my MMO gaming needs.   I have alsol really liked TSW (in one beta-day I got to play) and will probably even pre-order because, it too, meets a lot of my adventure/story MMO needs.   I  may even upgrade to 'lifetime.'  Because it's a game that has incredibly strong story elements which satisfies those MMO gaming needs.

As a RTS MMO, the both suck.   As FPS MMOs, they both suck.    As rush to end-game to gear-check and cookie-cutter-builds, both suck.   But I'm not going to be playing TSW for the reasons I'll be playing GW2.   And I won't play it if is Yet Another WoW Clone (YAWC).

After reading this entire thread, i am kind of curious why others keep telling me i hate TSW because i like GW2. 

I love them both they offer me different gameplay, and since TSW has a sub and GW2 does not i can just be pleased as a peach with playing both games.

People make these sweeping generalizations and posit them as facts and its just not in anyway helpful to getting there point across.

Anywho, i love GW2 and i love TSW and i pre-ordered them both..... ummm, ITS MY MONEY AND I WANT IT NOW !

Originally posted by Mephster

Originally posted by maitrader

Originally posted by Mephster

Well people criticized me when I quit after a few quests. Why put yourself through torture when the game isn't that good to begin with ? Though hey, so many have already said this game isn't good but some still  must be a glutton for punishment.

thats why I wont be playing BWE 3 for GW2, torturous indeed... why would I put myself through another round of uninspiring monotony?

Exactly, people are so desperate for that awesome mmo experience that now we have to listen to excuses why badly designed mmos are still good for players. 

A personal preference, no matter how expressed, is not a fact.   So unless you have a reasonable, technical explanation, why the MMO is 'badly designed'  it's merely an opinion of taste.   Though, if you have professional cachet, like Bartle, Yee or a successful professional game developer like Koster, I might listen to your opinion and give it strong weight.

But right now, it's just another yammer voice in a cocophany of people arguing about taste.   

Here's an opinion of taste:  I think SWTORs stories sucked.  But that doesn't mean they're not, for many people, 'good stories.'   They are not good stories to me and I was quite off-put by the glaring plot holes, MacGuffins, Deus Ex Machina, unbelievable set-ups, false choices, stuck-on-rails aspects, the down-right palagerized crappiness of many of them, phony space-magic phyiscs and what-not.    So, if someone else wishes to ignore all that and 'like the stories' GOOD FOR THEM. I'm happy for them.   They are entitled to like them or not regardless of my feelings about them.

After all, even bad story tellers can use an audience.  And not everyone can be a Hemmingway or a Saliinger or even a Stephen King...

Originally posted by crysent

It will get subpar reviews

It will get 8.5+ here and other "major" review sites.