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  maplestone

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Joined: 12/10/08
Posts: 3109

6/17/12 7:13:11 AM#61
Originally posted by m0lly

maybe the engine as it is will do fine we only know when its been tested with something else that dont look my little pony adventure cartoons, yes and i know this is the style like it is at warhammer but nobody says it cant be changed out of the box of cartoonish to little bit more realistic.

Does it matter that it's "Warcraft"?  I mean there are a bazillion WoW clones out there ... do none have an art style you enjoy?

  Mothanos

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Joined: 10/20/10
Posts: 1861

6/17/12 7:26:53 AM#62

Before Cataclysm was released i would have agreed with the OP.

Now after Cataclysm and kiddy gogo rush dungeons and pokemons with pandabears i have huge doubt and faith in Blizzards design teams.

I mean Diablo 3 over a decade development and the massive fail it is + Cata + MoP equals a big phat middle finger from my side.

 

Now we dont know what Titan is going to be, but looking at the current failures of blizzard i believe only more fail will come.

Its like the dream team Blizzard once had is well fed and not hungry anymore, it has eaten so much that they cant even walk straight on 2 legs.

 

If Arenanet fails with GW2, then i quit MMO's all together and keep playing on the soon to be released PS4/XboxXXX ?

Just look at the money we throw at the fail games last 6 years....

Warhammer / Aion / SWTOR / Tera, iam sure i forget tons of other failures.

 

Funny thing is i resubbed to WoW to farm old raid contend solo.......that says how fail the market is today -_-

  Dvalon

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6/17/12 7:39:17 AM#63
Originally posted by Mothanos

Before Cataclysm was released i would have agreed with the OP.

Now after Cataclysm and kiddy gogo rush dungeons and pokemons with pandabears i have huge doubt and faith in Blizzards design teams.

I mean Diablo 3 over a decade development and the massive fail it is + Cata + MoP equals a big phat middle finger from my side.

 

Now we dont know what Titan is going to be, but looking at the current failures of blizzard i believe only more fail will come.

Its like the dream team Blizzard once had is well fed and not hungry anymore, it has eaten so much that they cant even walk straight on 2 legs.

 

If Arenanet fails with GW2, then i quit MMO's all together and keep playing on the soon to be released PS4/XboxXXX ?

Just look at the money we throw at the fail games last 6 years....

Warhammer / Aion / SWTOR / Tera, iam sure i forget tons of other failures.

 

Funny thing is i resubbed to WoW to farm old raid contend solo.......that says how fail the market is today -_-

I have to agree with you 100%, ever since I left wow I have been chasing a new mmo, and none of them have even come close to offering what I want, the only two that do, one is not out yet, and the other all my friends hate.

EvE and Archeage, I really hope the mechanics in Archeage stand tall, building houses, castles, boats, making war with other guilds, and rulling the world , a seemless world at that.

GOD!, all those games that have failed, its really sad because most of them are solid titles, and any one of them would have been a billion dollar smash if they had just released BEFORE wow, blizzard really has ruined the market for a lot of gamers, and I think Titan will be the game that kills wow, blizzard said it themselves, its not lost sumtomers if they leave wow to play another blizzard mmo.

My gaming Hope lies with Archeage, and the very very slim hope that blizzard grow some balls, and really offer us the sandbox we want.

  AwDiddums

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Joined: 6/09/12
Posts: 386

6/17/12 7:45:41 AM#64
Originally posted by Epicent

MoP? Get real. Give me World of Warcraft 2. Tired of looking forward to all these games and getting dissapointed constantly. How many times do I go back to WoW because other mmos come out and get boring after a week lol. Tell me project Titan is WoW 2 and I will be happy. :P

And you leave WoW becuase your bored right? vicous circle don't you think.

 

 

  fenistil

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Joined: 9/22/11
Posts: 3016

6/17/12 7:51:20 AM#65
Originally posted by Dvalon

and the very very slim hope that blizzard grow some balls, and really offer us the sandbox we want.

Lol that will never happen.  I know that great ol' times with Blizzard's Starcraft I and / or Diablo I / II or Warcaft 3 or WoW Vanilla & BC feel you with actual feelings for a company, but that what you're hoping for will absolutely never happen.

Blizzard even in times of Blizzard North would not provide sandbox.

Hell even if I am wrong and they would - nowadays it would be monetarized to ceiling sandbox with cash shop and rmah and who knows what else - totally destroying what is sandbox core.

 

Imagine SWG or UO with houses and / or items and /or skills  exclusive to cash shop and whole player economy run through RMAH.

*shudder* horror vision

Would never play something like this even if it would be this mystical big polished well made AAA sandbox and if that would mean I would not have any sandbox to play for next 20 years.

  Jakdstripper

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Joined: 2/14/10
Posts: 2130

6/17/12 7:53:17 AM#66

to OP

i used to say the exact same thing back when i was just getting bored of WoW, but frankly after playing games like MO, Skyrim even Dayz and looking at Planetside is just dont see myself enjoying a WoW 2.0.

 

WoW was great fun back in 2005 but games have evolved so much. they can do so much better then the old WoW formula these days.  

  Kuinn

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Joined: 1/10/11
Posts: 2058

6/17/12 8:09:34 AM#67
Originally posted by Corehaven

You know what I find funny?  You want a World of Warcraft 2.  Yet you think MoP isnt worthy. 

 

Let me enlighten you.  The same minds, and people who are making MoP would be the ones making your coveted WoW 2 .  Think about that for a minute.  You want them to make a whole new game?  Really? 

 

Because of MoP isnt good enough for you, what in the world would make you think WoW 2 would be?  You are essentially asking the designers of something you dont like, or something not good enough for you, to make a game for you. 

 

Boy yea.  Thats gonna work out really swell. 

 

Blizzard has stated a few times that one of the reason for the simplicity and lack of variation in WoW is because of the old limited engine that they have. Just saying they prob wouldnt use the same old dusty snooze-pump engine that they currently have. And no it couldnt have been upgraded because one of the WoW's selling points is being able to play with low end machines.

 

In this light, WoW2 with brand new engine and a lot higher system reqs, I bet it would be at least twice as good as any clone made by someone else. Lets just see if Titan repeats WoW's gameplay, I highly doubt it.

  UngoHumungo

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Joined: 11/28/05
Posts: 522

I'm here......wheres the fish?

6/17/12 8:12:06 AM#68

if Blizzard wants another successful MMO then need to take the next logical step.....Starcraft Galaxies

There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?

  Pin_Cushion

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Joined: 3/28/11
Posts: 38

6/17/12 8:18:10 AM#69

 

No, thank you.

The question I ask myself whenever I try a new MMO (including WoW back at release) is, "Do they really think I'm this stupid?"

From scripted quests, scripted raids, scripted (predictable) pvp, iron-clad gear progressions, endless tutorials for everything you can imagine, tedious crafting grind from a preordained set of stringently selected recipes, and the rest I always wonder...

How can game developers assume their customer base is so incredibly dumb?

The only game I've ever played that didn't insult my intelligence is EvE Online.  It's too bad that so much of it is terribly dull.

After reading a few reviews about Diablo3 I have zero faith in Blizzard changing their (admittedly successful) condescending pattern of creation.

  User Deleted
6/17/12 8:24:00 AM#70
Originally posted by KaitarBesh

WoW used to be a great game, but after WOTLK and the fact it now just feels like a casual lobby game with a -really- bad community? No, if there was a WoW 2 I'm sure it would be even more casual and have an even crappier community.

 

GW2 isn't my cup of tea either, like a lot of people, I felt it was a little boring and could see myself not giving a crap after a month or two.

 

Really there aren't any current MMOs coming up that are very interesting to me. Developers seem to be largely lacking in the creativity department lately.

I personally think WoW became better with WotLK.  It made grouping easier, dungeons fun and not a "e-peen" contest.  So sue me if I like shit to be a tad on the easy side, if I wanted a challenge Id look for a cure to cancer.  I play games for fun and WotLK was jsut flat out fun because it allowed me to (A.) Play my ulmate style of class in the DK and (B.) actually get gear to be competeitive. 

 

Then comes Cata and it tried to return WoW to the BC version of the game and whamo for the first time WoW started to lose subs.  Ironically I quit WoW 3 weeks after hitting 85 and spent more money in repair bills trying to run heroics then I ever did in raiding in WotLK.  Why make the game harder then what it is...I dunno I jsut dont understand the whole challenge concept in gaming such as World First Kills, Heroic Raiding, Hell/Nightmare levels or any of the stuff that makes a game artifially hard. 

 

Id take a game any day of the week that was casual friendly and revolved around Fun activities anyday.  But I guess I aint the normal gamer because ive always been the gamer who used cheat codes in single player games like Skyrim or Dragon Age or item duped in games like Diablo.

  solarine

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Joined: 10/25/06
Posts: 1204

6/17/12 8:24:21 AM#71
Originally posted by DJJazzy

When you say we you really mean you, correct?

 

No, he means you personally. And I agree. You do need a World of Warcraft 2. :)

  ShakyMo

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Joined: 11/21/11
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6/17/12 8:26:17 AM#72
It already exists its called eq2
Then there's wow 3 - lotro
Wow 4 - rift
And wow 5 (in space!) - swtor
  Golelorn

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Posts: 1090

6/17/12 8:29:12 AM#73

There are plenty of WoW 2's on the market.

  sonoggi

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Joined: 12/22/09
Posts: 1151

6/17/12 8:31:42 AM#74

GW2 is the next WoW, in case you havent heard. i doubt Titan will offer anything interesting considering all the talent left Blizzard a long time ago.

  Volkon

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Posts: 3813

Facts do not require fiction for balance.

6/17/12 8:35:03 AM#75
Originally posted by Cromica

All I need is GW2

I hear ya. People can have thier WoW and WoW clones, I'm happy with the anti-WoW personally.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Theonenoni

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Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 269

6/17/12 8:36:51 AM#76

you are willing to give up all you have earned in WoW for WoW2???? LOL at you.  Thats really the reason why people go back to WoW. They have so much time and money invested into WoW it becomes an obligation. 

-I am here to perform logic

  Greyhooff

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Posts: 684

6/17/12 8:40:15 AM#77

WoW 2 does not make sense really.

Titan perhaps.

TSW is, from the beta running today, totally unfinished and not ready for release.

Tera is great, beautiful and fun, but just limited due to its overt pedophilia and late-game grindiness.

SWTOR was wrecked by Bioware's incompetence, arrogance and PR scamming.

GW2 might also work as it has enough WoW in it to appeal to WoW players, but also enough other stuff to make it fresh and new. It's a solid compromise for people wanting to "transition" to a new MMO.

  User Deleted
6/17/12 8:42:07 AM#78
Originally posted by Greyhooff

WoW 2 does not make sense really.

Titan perhaps.

TSW is, from the beta running today, totally unfinished and not ready for release.

Tera is great, beautiful and fun, but just limited due to its overt pedophilia and late-game grindiness.

SWTOR was wrecked by Bioware's incompetence, arrogance and PR scamming.

GW2 might also work as it has enough WoW in it to appeal to WoW players, but also enough other stuff to make it fresh and new. It's a solid compromise for people wanting to "transition" to a new MMO.

*Facepalm

Note- Don't pay attention to Greyhooff's posts.

  Loke666

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6/17/12 8:46:46 AM#79
Originally posted by Epicent

MoP? Get real. Give me World of Warcraft 2. Tired of looking forward to all these games and getting dissapointed constantly. How many times do I go back to WoW because other mmos come out and get boring after a week lol. Tell me project Titan is WoW 2 and I will be happy. :P

I don't think Blizzard themselves could really pull of a new Wow.

For one thing had most of the Wow players never tried another MMO before trying Wow, for Wow 2 to give you the same feeling it would have to be really different from all other MMOs and it wont be.

And Blizzard today is not the same Blizzard that released Wow and Warcraft 3, Wow 2 would have the same real money auctonhouse as Diablo 3.

Wow was most likely your first and we all have a special feeling for that game (mine was Meridian 59) but sequels rarely do well in MMOs. Take Asherons call 2 or Everquest 2, AC2 flopped and EQ2 never took over after EQ.

The exception seems to be Guildwars 2 that is really different from the first game, but I don´t see Blizzard doing something unique, they never had.

List of all Blizzards game: RPM Racing[6] 1991 Racing video game
Battle Chess (Windows and Commodore 64 ports)[29] 1992 Chess
Battle Chess II: Chinese Chess (Amiga port)[29] 1992 Chess
J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings, Vol. I (Amiga port)[29] 1992 Role-playing video game
Castles (Amiga port)[6] 1992 Strategy video game
MicroLeague Baseball (Amiga port)[6] 1992 Sports video game
Lexi-Cross (Macintosh port)[6] 1992 Puzzle video game
Dvorak on Typing (Macintosh port)[6] 1992 Educational game
The Lost Vikings[30] 1992 Side-scrolling video game
Rock n' Roll Racing[30] 1993 Racing video game
Shanghai II: Dragon's Eye[29] 1994 Mahjong Solitaire
Blackthorne[30] 1994 Platform game
The Death and Return of Superman[30] 1994 Side-scrolling video game
Warcraft: Orcs & Humans 1994 Real-time strategy game
Justice League Task Force[31] 1995 Versus fighting game
Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness 1995 Real-time strategy game
Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal 1996 Expansion pack
The Lost Vikings II 1997 Side-scrolling video game
StarCraft 1998 Real-time strategy game
StarCraft: Brood War 1998 Expansion pack
Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition 1999 Real-time strategy game
Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 2002 Real-time strategy game
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne 2003 Expansion pack
World of Warcraft 2004 MMORPG
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade 2007 Expansion pack
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King 2008 Expansion pack
StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty 2010 Real-time strategy game
World of Warcraft: Cataclysm 2010 Expansion pack
Diablo III

Note that Diablo 1 & 2 were made by Blizzard North, not really Blizzard and they all got fired beside Strain that they moved but quit and started ANET.

Blizzard do have great programmers and are good with knowing what their fans wants but they never been really original and all their sequels have been very close to the original. Wow 2 would be a slightly different version of Wow with better graphics and I don't see that taking over after Wow.

  dageeza

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6/17/12 8:57:26 AM#80

When vanilla WoW was announced it really brought little to nothing new other than it combined and tweeked many of the best features of the existing games of the era into the warcraft universe..

IMHO Anet is riding that same wave of creative thinking as a once hungry blizzard did so long ago by mixing things up and bringing something fresh and new combined with many excellent tweeked ideas that already exist in various games and applying them to the GW universe..

Wow is a phenominal game that is far better than any of its wannabe clones and GW2 is the next game with a pioneering spirit and could be what wow was in that era..

Until we know exactly what it is titan means nothing to me but its not likely it will be as successful as WoW mainly because actiblizz is just not hungry for anything but profits..

Playing GW2..

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