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  Aerowyn

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6/16/12 4:41:27 PM#201
Originally posted by cyress8
Originally posted by heartless
Originally posted by cooper85
Originally posted by heartless

Yes been playing since yesterday and i still say you are not being honest. And no i havent seen any overwhelming negativity in chat. You get usual trolls in ever MMO but other than that most of the chat on my server involved around asking help and solving puzzles.

It is not an opinion but a fact that Funcom improved animations and combat a lot since last beta and you were being dishonest when you said they didn't and are just making empty promises. Why should i even take anything you say after that seriously?

Which animations did they improve? I saw that pistol got a slight overhaul. Everything else is the same.

Now I will call you a untruther... There is nearly an independent animations for all the abilities. They "improved" (made flashier) all of them, and added new ones. Not just pistols...

Pics, fraps?

Ohohohoh, I wonder if he will do like Colddog and actually show some evidence. :D

iv'e only noticed a couple improved not all.. my hammer ones looks pretty much all the same as do my blade ones.. pistol definatly looks better but overall I don't see a difference on a lot of them, oh yea and my shotgun one's look the same as well

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  heartless

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6/16/12 4:45:43 PM#202
Originally posted by cyress8
Originally posted by heartless
Originally posted by cooper85
Originally posted by heartless

Yes been playing since yesterday and i still say you are not being honest. And no i havent seen any overwhelming negativity in chat. You get usual trolls in ever MMO but other than that most of the chat on my server involved around asking help and solving puzzles.

It is not an opinion but a fact that Funcom improved animations and combat a lot since last beta and you were being dishonest when you said they didn't and are just making empty promises. Why should i even take anything you say after that seriously?

Which animations did they improve? I saw that pistol got a slight overhaul. Everything else is the same.

Now I will call you a untruther... There is nearly an independent animations for all the abilities. They "improved" (made flashier) all of them, and added new ones. Not just pistols...

Pics, fraps?

Ohohohoh, I wonder if he will do like Colddog and actually show some evidence. :D

I would welcome it. Like I said, the only new ones I saw were the pistols.

  cooper85

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Joined: 6/03/12
Posts: 390

 
OP  6/16/12 4:46:46 PM#203
Originally posted by colddog04
 snip
 
So I supose we can conclude that this game is a shinier version of WoW where you are shooting 90 degrees to the right and your weapon points straight ahead? If it applies to GW2 mechanics, why not here?

Well I guess we can.

  Eir_S

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Joined: 8/07/11
Posts: 4701

GW2 socialist.

6/16/12 4:53:59 PM#204

This thread is funny.  Where are these great animations TSW is supposed to have? 

  niceguy3978

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6/16/12 6:04:28 PM#205
Originally posted by cooper85
Originally posted by Ramanadjinn
Originally posted by cooper85
 

TSW use the Dreamworld engine. This is their own engine. I never played those other games. It hard for me to believe this is the same company I hear all those bad things about. Right now today a see a A-1 indy co. With Vision, great CS and a hella fun game.

 

 

i may be having trouble understanding your post, did you just call Funcom an "indy" developer?

if you played TSW and came out of it with the impression that it was made by an indy game company i'm not so sure stating so will help your cause here.

Yes Funcom is an independent developer. I hope they stay independent too. 

This raises the question of what you think of as independent?  They are a corporation with hundreds of employees.  What exactly is your destinction between an indy company and everyone else?  

  cooper85

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Posts: 390

 
OP  6/16/12 6:53:39 PM#206
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by cooper85
Originally posted by Ramanadjinn
Originally posted by cooper85
 

TSW use the Dreamworld engine. This is their own engine. I never played those other games. It hard for me to believe this is the same company I hear all those bad things about. Right now today a see a A-1 indy co. With Vision, great CS and a hella fun game.

 

 

i may be having trouble understanding your post, did you just call Funcom an "indy" developer?

if you played TSW and came out of it with the impression that it was made by an indy game company i'm not so sure stating so will help your cause here.

Yes Funcom is an independent developer. I hope they stay independent too. 

This raises the question of what you think of as independent?  They are a corporation with hundreds of employees.  What exactly is your destinction between an indy company and everyone else?  

they are what Blizzard, Bioware, Anet used to be. Independent. They own all their IPs.

  User Deleted
6/16/12 7:00:51 PM#207

Well this is certainly one way of keeping TSW on the top of the forums.

Can't believe its 23 pages of arguing with one cat about something that is obviously false.

  Aerowyn

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Posts: 7969

6/16/12 7:17:46 PM#208
[mod edit]

you keep saying this but when we are talking about animations of humans in a "real life" setting its not really an art form or subjective in that sense. It either flows naturally and feels like real human movements or it doesn't.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Dfix

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Posts: 256

6/16/12 7:21:33 PM#209
Originally posted by cooper85
Originally posted by lathaan

did we really need 21 pages to proof that TSW animations are the shit? Not that its wasnt fun, but ... i guess the OP already ran off to mum to tell her he did admit he was wrong.

doesnt make you look any better, not a bit ;)

 

TL;DR:

OP> TSW animations are teh BESTEST!!

EVERYONE>> Bullshit, they are crap

_21 pages later_

OP>> OK.

 

Lathaan-

"is this you god? No, GW2!"

we had that running all day here on desolation :)

the game is far more than great."

 

 

I'm not surprised you did not get the point. People like you who share your taste flooded this TSW thread, as I expected. I wanted you to see your games animations side by side with ours.

 

You apples are no better than my oranges. Animations are an art form, all things being roughly equal (tech), Art is subjective. Your Picaso is not better than my Rembrant. You may like it better, that does not mean that it is. 

 

Only an idiot or someone who is completely biased with those 2 videos side by side could say one is "Bullshit, crap" as you did, and not say the same about the other. Are TSW's animations the best? Are GW2's animations the best? Idk I think they are both at the top of the industry (swtor is the best imo. One of 2 things they nailed) The samething can be said about Tera.

 

I chose to spell this out to you hoping that you get the point of the thread. 

Only an idiot would try to make his point by using a 1 year old GW2 video. You're calling out all the GW2 fanbois but by using that vid and not the other ten suggested in this thread, you're no better.

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  Draemos

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6/16/12 7:21:40 PM#210
Originally posted by maitrader
Originally posted by tares

Animations and combat are not art, TSW seems to have the worst combat and animations of these MMOs: GW2, SWTOR, Tera, Aion, Rift, maybe LOTRO, Age of Conan, World of Warcraft, don't remember EQ2 but it was funner killing things there so am adding it.

TSW ties with everquest 1 and warhammer for weakest animations and combat.

We know it is underdone and just bad, the NPCs have very few animations and no recoil when hit by PCs and most of the animations are the exact same and even then they feel weak.

 

A lot of players will quit TSW after launch because combat is boring, by a lot I mean over half so it isn't apples and oranges, the combat is subpar.

you done? stop wasting peoples time in the TSW forums if you dont like it ... if you're not going to buy it, then leave the forum space to someone who will... I never post in GW2 forums... waste of my time, I think the game is caca but thats my opinion and I keep it to myself.

 

These forums aren't for circle jerking bud, they're to discuss both good and bad merits of a game for someone who might be looking to invest some time. I'd be pissed if I came to this forum, found the OPs post and a bunch of fanbois praising the combat; decided to buy the game and then found out they were straight up lying.
  Kreedz

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Posts: 445

6/16/12 7:40:03 PM#211

Animations are one of the most important things in a game where people control a character especially in third person.

 

I am a 3D Artist, and while my strengths lie in creating the models and giving them textures, none of that means squat if my character walks and does actions like he is a remote controlled robot.

 

Having said that, TSW animations arent terrible, but if we are comparing them to the Animation quality of GW2 there is quite an obvious differrence, especially if you have had a chance to play both games and get a feeling for your characters.

(I am at work atm, so I am unable to link videos. Sorry)

TSW Animations feel very floaty and mechanical, and sometimes downright odd. One of the animations that stood out to me when playing TSW was the Jump animation; There was no sense of weight to it, the character seems to just float up and then land without impact or struggle.

As for GW2, the Animations seem very fitting for all the races if you look at their stance and structure, Charr are very hunched over with a medium stride to their walk and their torso visibly bounces as they move along giving a real sense to their size and mass, where as Asura (as seen on many videos) seems very bouncy yet more dexterous and agile than a Charr, which also fits their sometimes comical culture.

 

Another thing GW2 utilises is Animation blending, which means if a Character goes from doing a cast animation to dodging to walking it looks very smooth and fluid, another example of this is when you walk and suddenly stop; your character doesnt stop dead, rather they sort of skid to a stop, some dislike this but I feel it connects me with the character more.

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  Maitrader

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Posts: 431

6/16/12 8:04:17 PM#212
Originally posted by cooper85
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by maitrader
Originally posted by tares

Animations and combat are not art, TSW seems to have the worst combat and animations of these MMOs: GW2, SWTOR, Tera, Aion, Rift, maybe LOTRO, Age of Conan, World of Warcraft, don't remember EQ2 but it was funner killing things there so am adding it.

TSW ties with everquest 1 and warhammer for weakest animations and combat.

We know it is underdone and just bad, the NPCs have very few animations and no recoil when hit by PCs and most of the animations are the exact same and even then they feel weak.

 

A lot of players will quit TSW after launch because combat is boring, by a lot I mean over half so it isn't apples and oranges, the combat is subpar.

you done? stop wasting peoples time in the TSW forums if you dont like it ... if you're not going to buy it, then leave the forum space to someone who will... I never post in GW2 forums... waste of my time, I think the game is caca but thats my opinion and I keep it to myself.

 

These forums aren't for circle jerking bud, they're to discuss both good and bad merits of a game for someone who might be looking to invest some time. I'd be pissed if I came to this forum, found the OPs post and a bunch of fanbois praising the combat; decided to buy the game and then found out they were straight up lying.

Instead you find a bunch of GW2 fanboys in the thread lieing that they are bad. 

 

WTF is this the unoffical GW2 fansite? This is a hell of a illustration of the GW2 community. 

seems that way... MMORPG.com have gone bonkers over GW2 and it shows... the hype of the game is not even close what it should be and the trolling and harrassing of TSW forums by the thousands of GW2 fanbois are never punished.. however if something is said about GW2 they are shut down and banned :/

  BeansnBread

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6/16/12 8:10:43 PM#213
Originally posted by maitrader

seems that way... MMORPG.com have gone bonkers over GW2 and it shows... the hype of the game is not even close what it should be and the trolling and harrassing of TSW forums by the thousands of GW2 fanbois are never punished.. however if something is said about GW2 they are shut down and banned :/

Either that or TSW actually doesn't have the best combat and the best animations in the industry.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  tares

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Posts: 384

6/16/12 8:15:15 PM#214
Originally posted by cooper85
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by maitrader
Originally posted by tares

Animations and combat are not art, TSW seems to have the worst combat and animations of these MMOs: GW2, SWTOR, Tera, Aion, Rift, maybe LOTRO, Age of Conan, World of Warcraft, don't remember EQ2 but it was funner killing things there so am adding it.

TSW ties with everquest 1 and warhammer for weakest animations and combat.

We know it is underdone and just bad, the NPCs have very few animations and no recoil when hit by PCs and most of the animations are the exact same and even then they feel weak.

 

A lot of players will quit TSW after launch because combat is boring, by a lot I mean over half so it isn't apples and oranges, the combat is subpar.

you done? stop wasting peoples time in the TSW forums if you dont like it ... if you're not going to buy it, then leave the forum space to someone who will... I never post in GW2 forums... waste of my time, I think the game is caca but thats my opinion and I keep it to myself.

 

These forums aren't for circle jerking bud, they're to discuss both good and bad merits of a game for someone who might be looking to invest some time. I'd be pissed if I came to this forum, found the OPs post and a bunch of fanbois praising the combat; decided to buy the game and then found out they were straight up lying.

Instead you find a bunch of GW2 fanboys in the thread lieing that they are bad. 

 

WTF is this the unoffical GW2 fansite? This is a hell of a illustration of the GW2 community. 

I don't know how great GW2 is as I don't follow games until a release date is set, However, once guild wars two decides to come out TSW will lose a huge percent of players who will never return, that is life.

Will the small niche TSW community stick around for a long time to TSW?   repeating the same few instances and PvP instances and repeatable quests will grow tiresome quickly with the animations in game today.   So it has less content than SWTOR or Tera and yet there is some need to compare it to a game not even out yet.  Will TSW survive on its own, will 1 million players buy the game and over 400,000 stay subscribed for over a year?   Even If TSW was the only MMO ever created, I doubt its goals are atainable with such boring combat.  Way to much skill redundancy, so few great skills,  Combat for melee is everything runs up and you spam a few skills, combat for ranged is strafe and use the broken 180 degree line of fire to kill stuff.

Are we being punked? is the combat an alpha build that will be updated in two weeks? I can't imagine a game today releasing with so little attention to combat when so much of the game is spent in combat.

 

Lol drameos that happened to me before a couple of time, it sux. I'm in the beta III so my opinion is equal to anyones imo.

  botrytis

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6/16/12 8:15:21 PM#215
Originally posted by maitrader
Originally posted by cooper85
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by maitrader
Originally posted by tares

Animations and combat are not art, TSW seems to have the worst combat and animations of these MMOs: GW2, SWTOR, Tera, Aion, Rift, maybe LOTRO, Age of Conan, World of Warcraft, don't remember EQ2 but it was funner killing things there so am adding it.

TSW ties with everquest 1 and warhammer for weakest animations and combat.

We know it is underdone and just bad, the NPCs have very few animations and no recoil when hit by PCs and most of the animations are the exact same and even then they feel weak.

 

A lot of players will quit TSW after launch because combat is boring, by a lot I mean over half so it isn't apples and oranges, the combat is subpar.

you done? stop wasting peoples time in the TSW forums if you dont like it ... if you're not going to buy it, then leave the forum space to someone who will... I never post in GW2 forums... waste of my time, I think the game is caca but thats my opinion and I keep it to myself.

 

These forums aren't for circle jerking bud, they're to discuss both good and bad merits of a game for someone who might be looking to invest some time. I'd be pissed if I came to this forum, found the OPs post and a bunch of fanbois praising the combat; decided to buy the game and then found out they were straight up lying.

Instead you find a bunch of GW2 fanboys in the thread lieing that they are bad. 

 

WTF is this the unoffical GW2 fansite? This is a hell of a illustration of the GW2 community. 

seems that way... MMORPG.com have gone bonkers over GW2 and it shows... the hype of the game is not even close what it should be and the trolling and harrassing of TSW forums by the thousands of GW2 fanbois are never punished.. however if something is said about GW2 they are shut down and banned :/

Not really but TSW is not in the same league as far as animations. 5 years ago - yes. Now - no.

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  Keyh

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6/16/12 8:20:42 PM#216

Problem with animations in TSW is two fold:

 

1. The engine doesn't support IK animations (or at least, they're not using them). So, instead of them doing the animations by selecting a point (e.g. the hand) and moving it in the motion desired, and having all points move fluidly to keep up with that (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVxiJkJHZe0 ) they need to do the animation joint by joint (FK animation), this results in a really strange, unnatural motion as the joints aren't moving as you would expect with the inertia/momentum that you're seeing.

 

2. Because of the "use everything when moving", they separated the torso with the legs (as people have said). This compounds upon the unnatural motion with an unnatural disconnect between the torso and legs.

 

 

The animations don't look too bad whenever standing still, but when you start moving, you can see the clear disconnect at each joint, which compounds into something that looks very strange.

 

All that being said, though, it's a good game, and is worth your time regardless of those animations.

  Vutar

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6/16/12 8:22:52 PM#217

I really hope no one buys TSW based off of this thread. Get a beta key and play the game yourself for anyone who is interested in the game. Do not waste your money until you do that. There is a reason only a couple people in this thread are defending the game as if it is the next big MMO. Do your own playing unless you just have money to throw away.

  Maitrader

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Posts: 431

6/16/12 8:23:06 PM#218
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by maitrader
Originally posted by cooper85
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by maitrader
Originally posted by tares

Animations and combat are not art, TSW seems to have the worst combat and animations of these MMOs: GW2, SWTOR, Tera, Aion, Rift, maybe LOTRO, Age of Conan, World of Warcraft, don't remember EQ2 but it was funner killing things there so am adding it.

TSW ties with everquest 1 and warhammer for weakest animations and combat.

We know it is underdone and just bad, the NPCs have very few animations and no recoil when hit by PCs and most of the animations are the exact same and even then they feel weak.

 

A lot of players will quit TSW after launch because combat is boring, by a lot I mean over half so it isn't apples and oranges, the combat is subpar.

you done? stop wasting peoples time in the TSW forums if you dont like it ... if you're not going to buy it, then leave the forum space to someone who will... I never post in GW2 forums... waste of my time, I think the game is caca but thats my opinion and I keep it to myself.

 

These forums aren't for circle jerking bud, they're to discuss both good and bad merits of a game for someone who might be looking to invest some time. I'd be pissed if I came to this forum, found the OPs post and a bunch of fanbois praising the combat; decided to buy the game and then found out they were straight up lying.

Instead you find a bunch of GW2 fanboys in the thread lieing that they are bad. 

 

WTF is this the unoffical GW2 fansite? This is a hell of a illustration of the GW2 community. 

seems that way... MMORPG.com have gone bonkers over GW2 and it shows... the hype of the game is not even close what it should be and the trolling and harrassing of TSW forums by the thousands of GW2 fanbois are never punished.. however if something is said about GW2 they are shut down and banned :/

Not really but TSW is not in the same league as far as animations. 5 years ago - yes. Now - no.

lets be honest, GW2 is a cartoony WoW replacement.... TSW has the top graphical engine ever used in an MMO. Alot more can be done in a cartoony MMO than can be done in a RL mmo. I guess the real argument is this, what do you like better, cartoon-based or realism-based games. Since most of the people here are just WoW grads, theres little room it seems for realism. Once again, I really am grateful that GW2 is coming out, because it will soak up nearly all of the WOW based community!! biggest problem with every MMO to date post wow is the community it created lol

  Maitrader

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6/16/12 8:25:51 PM#219
Originally posted by Vutar

I really hope no one buys TSW based off of this thread. Get a beta key and play the game yourself for anyone who is interested in the game. Do not waste your money until you do that. There is a reason only a couple people in this thread are defending the game as if it is the next big MMO. Do your own playing unless you just have money to throw away.

your right! dont buy it! games for true MMO players, not people who got into MMO's when WoW was released. Please leave this game alone as to keep the community pristine, lacking the taint of the new-school MMO'ers

  Vutar

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6/16/12 8:27:59 PM#220
Originally posted by maitrader
Originally posted by Vutar

I really hope no one buys TSW based off of this thread. Get a beta key and play the game yourself for anyone who is interested in the game. Do not waste your money until you do that. There is a reason only a couple people in this thread are defending the game as if it is the next big MMO. Do your own playing unless you just have money to throw away.

your right! dont buy it! games for true MMO players, not people who got into MMO's when WoW was released. Please leave this game alone as to keep the community pristine, lacking the taint of the new-school MMO'ers

 

 

Good call. Well except that I've been playing MMO's since EQ1 and ya, I think the game is awful due to the very things this thread claims are the "best" in the game. . But don' ttake my word for it. Get a beta key people and play it yourself.

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