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Originally posted by FrodoFragins Look at both games right now. Which one looks like it has the most longetivity? Which one will be relevant years from now? EA is refocusing, thats a fact. Most of Biowares division that helped create SWTOR were fired. The game just shutdown/merged a hundred+ servers The bioware developer just came out and said F2p is a possiblilty because they cant stay competitive. All facts, all documented.
Rift isnt perfect, it has Issues but its nowhere near as bad as SWTOR right now. I dont see Trion firing people, or refocusing or talking F2p to compete.
Maybe I should have named this thread differently? Maybe "How Rift Survived SWTOR" maybe i would have gotten a better response lol. Playing: GW2 |
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6/15/12 11:27:43 AM#102
Correct title should be How EA/Bio dropped the ball on SWTOR.
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6/15/12 11:29:02 AM#103
Originally posted by Wicoa this Trion is a great role model for how content patches should be cranked out EQNext press http://EQ3Wire.com EQ2: Freeport server |
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6/15/12 11:29:41 AM#104
Originally posted by Nadia I completely agree as well. 1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical. 2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself. 3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose. |
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6/15/12 11:33:14 AM#105
Originally posted by Z3R01 in fairness, EA isnt talking ftp in the sense of making the entire game ftp
TOR's upcoming unlimited free trial is the same thing RIFT did with RIFT Lite
EQNext press http://EQ3Wire.com EQ2: Freeport server |
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6/15/12 11:33:51 AM#106
Interesting concept there OP but I quit both games after the same game time for the same reasons. Just because Rift was able to save their game means nothing. |
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Originally posted by Nadia Check out the new IGN article on SWTOR F2p. The level 15 free trial is already known, this article is different. Playing: GW2 |
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6/15/12 11:37:05 AM#108
Originally posted by Z3R01 thanks - I was unaware EQNext press http://EQ3Wire.com EQ2: Freeport server |
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Originally posted by Thorbrand Sure it does. I quit both games also. Doesn't mean it isnt relevant in the MMO space. Imo mmos that release with limited Endgame content (if they are themeparks) should suffer the wrath of server shutdowns or failure by going F2p. Its a lesson, This happening to Bioware a studio that only a couple years ago never released a bad game sends a message to other developers that they should deliver games that can realistically compete with the big boys or not try at all. Playing: GW2 |
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6/15/12 11:40:37 AM#110
Originally posted by Thorbrand I really don't get how you can believe that and think it "means nothing". 1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical. 2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself. 3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose. |
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6/15/12 11:44:51 AM#111
Originally posted by Z3R01
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6/15/12 11:55:18 AM#112
Originally posted by Z3R01Originally posted by FrodoFragins Ok, then here's the missing facts: In every possible available measuring tool, xfire, Steam, Raptr, you name it, Rift showed a decrease down to 20% of its launch playerbase after the same 6-7 months that we look at for TOR. That is 20% remaining end of August, course of September 2011. Rift started earlier than TOR with its server transfers and 'mergers', oh sorry, 'trial servers'. tbh, both don't have server merges since after the server transfers the left servers were still around, both in Rift and TOR. But Rift started the transfers already 4 months after launch. Talk about F2P doesn't mean much, other MMO's took like a year to realise it from the actual start of working on it. Which BW isn't doing right now. Full content updates for TOR are still going on at a steady rate, that's a fact too. As for Rift, I don't know, if 10% of its launch playerbase is good enough for the Trion management to keep their P2P model up, well, good for them, different design decisions. LotrO had still a larger percentage of their launch playerbase when it went F2P, but foremostly because the Turbine guys saw how profitable it was for their DDO. I wouldn't really call it a success, and I'm curious what will be left of the Rift playerbase when the other heavy MMO hitters arrive, WoW's MoP, GW2, TSW, Planetside 2... will be interesting.
There's one thing I agree on, and that's that Rift's patching and content update team is a good example of how things should be, their activity level is one of the best, their PR & communication team too btw (calling defunct servers 'trial servers' in order to avoid the term 'server merges'? Pure genius ^^) |
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6/15/12 11:56:35 AM#113
Originally posted by smh_alot
I played TOR and am playing Rift right now.However I'm not in denial of the obvious.For TOR to be looking at ftp at the 6 month mark tells me that 500k mark of sustainability is very close.Rift was at 350k at 6 month's,which means they dropped around 250k in that time,huge difference. I'm not going to argue beyond this,some people always have to see hard number's,while other's can see the writing on the wall.It is what it is :) |
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6/15/12 11:58:06 AM#114
Originally posted by Wickedjelly As do I and I do NOT like Rift at all. Rift is an MMO, SWTOR is a SRPG with forced online multi-player, its lacking in far too many MMO gameplay aspects to be called an MMO. |
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6/15/12 12:00:27 PM#115
I'll say it again, just cut TOR's head off and let the healing process begin. Bioware really botched this up big time. |
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6/15/12 12:05:46 PM#116
Originally posted by Berikai Lol. First you say you're not in denial, then you follow it up with comments like that, heh, funny. What is it, trust mmodata, don't trust mmodata? Ignore it all now? :-) Still don't see those official sub numbers of Rift, where are you hiding them? Come on, give them please. I'll throw you a bone: I think that a lot of figures in those mmodata charts are merely speculations and best guesses, especially the ones that have no official source. I think that Rift wasn't at 350k after 6 months, nor do I think that TOR is at 1.3 million after 6 months. The whole 'I'm not going to argue beyond this' is cute, but it only means that you have little to back it up, besides subjective impressions. Oh, and the mmodata numbers that we already determined is questionable or lacking official sources. However, when the same trend in population can be observed not only in 1 tool, but roughly the same in various different tools, then that's saying something. To me, at least more than wild guesses that usually have a big dose of wishful thinking in them. And what those tools are saying is that Rift was around 20-25% after 6 months and like 10% now of its launch playerbase. |
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6/15/12 12:06:08 PM#117
Originally posted by grimal Rofl, "your post shouldnt be permitted, its just gonna start a flame war!!" proceeds to insult other user.
Wonder if you realize how stupid you look complaining about the content of someone elses post then insulting them while trying to act superior. Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" |
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6/15/12 12:12:20 PM#118
Originally posted by rdrakkenOriginally posted by Wickedjelly This makes no sense. If TOR isn't an MMO, then other MMO's like WoW and LotrO and EQ2 etc aren't MMO's either. TOR has all the regular MMO features that those other ones have too, and even more. If you don't enjoy them, that's another matter, but they're still there, for people to enjoy them. People on this site often make no sense at all, no logic, everything black&white, wow...
Originally posted by Mephster Why? If you don't like the game, simply don't play it and ignore it, just like other MMO's you dislike, and let the game be played by other people who do enjoy it. Kinda selfish to want to see a game removed that other people are enjoying, simply because you dislike it >.< |
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6/15/12 12:25:29 PM#119
Originally posted by Z3R01 How many servers does Rift have? Rift did their own mergers but poorly disguised it.
SWTOR will have more longevity than Rift. Rift is scampering to try to cater to everyone and will likely cater to far fewer. |
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6/15/12 12:30:13 PM#120
Originally posted by smh_alot This makes no sense...which is why you are comparing a new game with little content to games that have been out for over 5 years with massive amounts of content and are not naming anything specifically. If you enjoy the game, thats another matter, but they're still not the same, for people that dont enjoy it. People on this site often make no sense at all, no logic, everything black&white, wow... SWTOR has zero RPing items, doesnt even provide the ability to SIT on a seat. Has generic crafting with no depth, no community driven economy, every aspect of the game is instanced and only a few servers have that thing that MMOs have called a...what is it again...oh yeah, a community. Once the main story is done you have a choice between a few PvP "games" that are instanced and a few small areas on a couple of planets to play in and....wait for it...a few flashpoints. A few dailies to do on the final planet does not an end game make. endgame in SWTOR = a few dailies, a few PvP instances and a few flashpoints. OMG it has everything all other MMOs ever made has...no really...those 3 MMOs you named with massive amounts of things to do in every MMO aspect you can think of offer NOTHING SWTOR also offers. You are living in a dream world. Just because you like the little SWTOR gives, doesnt mean you should blinding defend it against games that offer far far far far far more....because you...wont...be getting it, Bioware has proven it with their interviews over the last few weeks...SWTOR in their eyes is not lacking in variety of gameplay and they only intend to extend the class storyline and add a few flashpoints and PvP isntances. So, you enjoy the game...great, no need to lie and try to make the game sound remotely close to what other MMOs are offering. Unlimited real world PvP, the RP part of RPG, variety of endgame, a decent economy, a crafting system that isnt out of the 90s...and completely lacking in moronic ideas like rewarding RPing items for group farming social points. |
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