Originally posted by Thorbrand

The auction house has absolutely no effect on drop rates. There are conspiracy theories and misunderstandings but I do want to re-iterate, the is NO interaction whatsoever.  

Biggest bullshit comment I have ever read. You know straight up lieing is still that no matter how much you want to say otherwise.

Played all the Diablo games and in D3 I never got a drop not once that I would ever use or anyone would ever use because they are not even useable items, this includes legendary's.

They game is designed around the RMAH!

This is the only bullshit comment I've seen in this thread so far. You've absolutely no proof whatsoever, whereas there's plenty of proof showing how full of shit you and the other tinfoil hat wearing folks here are.

I have used the AH, but all of the gear I'm currently using on all characters is stuff I've FOUND. I'm sorry your luck with the RNG sucks, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

Do loot tables need adjusting? Yes. But the auction house has NOTHING to do with it. Absolutely NOTHING. To say otherwise is just ignorant rumor-mongering at best, and deliberate spreading of misinformation at worst.

Originally posted by Thorbrand

The auction house has absolutely no effect on drop rates. There are conspiracy theories and misunderstandings but I do want to re-iterate, the is NO interaction whatsoever.  

Biggest bullshit comment I have ever read. You know straight up lieing is still that no matter how much you want to say otherwise.

Played all the Diablo games and in D3 I never got a drop not once that I would ever use or anyone would ever use because they are not even useable items, this includes legendary's.

They game is designed around the RMAH!

Actually I think the game is designed more around the AH, and not the RMAH..... 

I really don't get the outrage on the RMAH, if you don't want to use it then DONT USE IT. It's not hard... those people paying 200$ for an item are obviously borderline retarded, but it's their money, why do I REALLY care? I can almost guarantee you in a month those same items will sell for $3.00 because no one is going to pay those crazy prices for items they will eventually replace.... doesnt' make any sense at all. 

Now, regarding the AH - I mostly agree taht I don't find many upgrades while adventuring.... I think you do need to play the AH a little and get items in order to progress (though others have stated they haven't - and Im sure that's true as well). I've been doing that - up to 14k DPS and Im not even through hell-mode yet (though, almost)..... I struggled until I upgraded my gear, but I upgraded my gear VERY cheap and gold is very easy to come by. 

The drops so far are pretty terrible and I usually just vendor or sell them dirt cheap on the AH to make some more gold -- but isn't that the whole point of the game?? Get more loot?? I'm not concerned about the RMAH because supply/demand will eventually take over and things will be regulated.... the other AH have plenty of deals but people are so clueless on how to search for cheap gear they see all items for 1 mil + then whine they can't afford anything (when in fact, if you actually searched properly you could find a very similar item for 20k). 

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by Thorbrand

The auction house has absolutely no effect on drop rates. There are conspiracy theories and misunderstandings but I do want to re-iterate, the is NO interaction whatsoever.  

Biggest bullshit comment I have ever read. You know straight up lieing is still that no matter how much you want to say otherwise.

Played all the Diablo games and in D3 I never got a drop not once that I would ever use or anyone would ever use because they are not even useable items, this includes legendary's.

They game is designed around the RMAH!

This is the only bullshit comment I've seen in this thread so far. You've absolutely no proof whatsoever, whereas there's plenty of proof showing how full of shit you and the other tinfoil hat wearing folks here are.

I have used the AH, but all of the gear I'm currently using on all characters is stuff I've FOUND. I'm sorry your luck with the RNG sucks, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

Do loot tables need adjusting? Yes. But the auction house has NOTHING to do with it. Absolutely NOTHING. To say otherwise is just ignorant rumor-mongering at best, and deliberate spreading of misinformation at worst.

To be fair, either side of the argument does not have proof. 

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by Thorbrand

The auction house has absolutely no effect on drop rates. There are conspiracy theories and misunderstandings but I do want to re-iterate, the is NO interaction whatsoever.  

Biggest bullshit comment I have ever read. You know straight up lieing is still that no matter how much you want to say otherwise.

Played all the Diablo games and in D3 I never got a drop not once that I would ever use or anyone would ever use because they are not even useable items, this includes legendary's.

They game is designed around the RMAH!

This is the only bullshit comment I've seen in this thread so far. You've absolutely no proof whatsoever, whereas there's plenty of proof showing how full of shit you and the other tinfoil hat wearing folks here are.

I have used the AH, but all of the gear I'm currently using on all characters is stuff I've FOUND. I'm sorry your luck with the RNG sucks, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

Do loot tables need adjusting? Yes. But the auction house has NOTHING to do with it. Absolutely NOTHING. To say otherwise is just ignorant rumor-mongering at best, and deliberate spreading of misinformation at worst.

To be fair, either side of the argument does not have proof. 

Good point.

However, anyone who thinks Blizzard didn't have any "how can we make the most money out of this" conversations is really deluded and doesn't understand how corporations work.

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by Thorbrand

The auction house has absolutely no effect on drop rates. There are conspiracy theories and misunderstandings but I do want to re-iterate, the is NO interaction whatsoever.  

Biggest bullshit comment I have ever read. You know straight up lieing is still that no matter how much you want to say otherwise.

Played all the Diablo games and in D3 I never got a drop not once that I would ever use or anyone would ever use because they are not even useable items, this includes legendary's.

They game is designed around the RMAH!

This is the only bullshit comment I've seen in this thread so far. You've absolutely no proof whatsoever, whereas there's plenty of proof showing how full of shit you and the other tinfoil hat wearing folks here are.

I have used the AH, but all of the gear I'm currently using on all characters is stuff I've FOUND. I'm sorry your luck with the RNG sucks, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

Do loot tables need adjusting? Yes. But the auction house has NOTHING to do with it. Absolutely NOTHING. To say otherwise is just ignorant rumor-mongering at best, and deliberate spreading of misinformation at worst.

To be fair, either side of the argument does not have proof. 

Good point.

However, anyone who thinks Blizzard didn't have any "how can we make the most money out of this" conversations is really deluded and doesn't understand how corporations work.

Pretty much this.  Which brings me back to my other point.  Why does gear 8 levels below my character, who is advancing in levels and difficulty, drop.  So you use the AH.  That is correct answer, IMO.

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by Thorbrand

The auction house has absolutely no effect on drop rates. There are conspiracy theories and misunderstandings but I do want to re-iterate, the is NO interaction whatsoever.  

Biggest bullshit comment I have ever read. You know straight up lieing is still that no matter how much you want to say otherwise.

Played all the Diablo games and in D3 I never got a drop not once that I would ever use or anyone would ever use because they are not even useable items, this includes legendary's.

They game is designed around the RMAH!

This is the only bullshit comment I've seen in this thread so far. You've absolutely no proof whatsoever, whereas there's plenty of proof showing how full of shit you and the other tinfoil hat wearing folks here are.

I have used the AH, but all of the gear I'm currently using on all characters is stuff I've FOUND. I'm sorry your luck with the RNG sucks, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

Do loot tables need adjusting? Yes. But the auction house has NOTHING to do with it. Absolutely NOTHING. To say otherwise is just ignorant rumor-mongering at best, and deliberate spreading of misinformation at worst.

If good items was as easy to farm and dropped as often as they did in D2 the AH would be loaded with them. They would be worth nothing and everyone would have very good gear...

The AH means that items and drop rates must be different compared to a game like D2. The AH is a significant part of the game and its design.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

I don't understamnd it but it's nothing new either. People have been buying stuff for years. Blizzard just made it safer.

 This.

Not that most of the people hating on the RMAH will ever accept the obvious.  Hating on Blizzard is like the cool thing to do.

Originally posted by Badaboom

The loot drop system sucks.  For example, on my route to 60 I killed a boss at level 40 in Nightmare (I think) and level 32 equipment fell.  I agree that stats should be a random drop with chances to also get higher level gear to possibly drop, but all drops should be minimum your level.  The way the system is it is almost like you have to buy from the AH to get items your level.  Or you play through to feed an alt appropriate level equipment.

First, don't confuse level to equip an item with item level.  It's not the same thing.

Second, 90%+ of what drops in the game is vendor trash, even if it's legendary. This has always been true of Diablo.

Third, higher level equipment does drop. Sometimes you can't even equip what drops but that is very rare.

Fourth, you don't need to use the auction house to complete inferno. I've done it and so have a lot of other people. I'm not even very good.  After a few balance passes itwill smooth out.

Fifth, sometimes lower item level gear is better depending on your build.  Item level isn't everything.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Badaboom

The loot drop system sucks.  For example, on my route to 60 I killed a boss at level 40 in Nightmare (I think) and level 32 equipment fell.  I agree that stats should be a random drop with chances to also get higher level gear to possibly drop, but all drops should be minimum your level.  The way the system is it is almost like you have to buy from the AH to get items your level.  Or you play through to feed an alt appropriate level equipment.

First, don't confuse level to equip an item with item level.  It's not the same thing.

Second, 90%+ of what drops in the game is vendor trash, even if it's legendary. This has always been true of Diablo.

Third, higher level equipment does drop. Sometimes you can't even equip what drops but that is very rare.

Fourth, you don't need to use the auction house to complete inferno. I've done it and so have a lot of other people. I'm not even very good.  After a few balance passes itwill smooth out.

Fifth, sometimes lower item level gear is better depending on your build.  Item level isn't everything.

Gonna argue with ya on this one, to legitimately clear all of inferno.. you would have to spend hours a day for months to get the drops you need to finish it. It isn't likely to happen without using the AH, to say alot of people have done it.. well I call BS. They used the AH or got WPs from other players to skip the content.

People are making too much out of this RMAH, no pun intended. Personally, I play hack and slash games for fun. It is a hobby, not something I want to spend 100s of euros on. If people want to do that to feel good about themselves, that is fine by me as long as it does not affect me.

I won't ever PvP in this game, so the RMAH has little to no effect on me unless someone decided to hack my account or something of that sort.

The thing that bugs me is that people are saying that you will have to use the RMAH to finish inferno. How about the gold AH? I would be surprised if all somewhat decent rares would end up on the RMAH. If I wanted to sell an ingame item to another player, I would put it on the gold AH and I bet I am not the only one. So why do people have this belief that the gold AH is going to be phased completely out?

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Badaboom

The loot drop system sucks.  For example, on my route to 60 I killed a boss at level 40 in Nightmare (I think) and level 32 equipment fell.  I agree that stats should be a random drop with chances to also get higher level gear to possibly drop, but all drops should be minimum your level.  The way the system is it is almost like you have to buy from the AH to get items your level.  Or you play through to feed an alt appropriate level equipment.

First, don't confuse level to equip an item with item level.  It's not the same thing.

Second, 90%+ of what drops in the game is vendor trash, even if it's legendary. This has always been true of Diablo.

Third, higher level equipment does drop. Sometimes you can't even equip what drops but that is very rare.

Fourth, you don't need to use the auction house to complete inferno. I've done it and so have a lot of other people. I'm not even very good.  After a few balance passes itwill smooth out.

Fifth, sometimes lower item level gear is better depending on your build.  Item level isn't everything.

Gonna argue with ya on this one, to legitimately clear all of inferno.. you would have to spend hours a day for months to get the drops you need to finish it. It isn't likely to happen without using the AH, to say alot of people have done it.. well I call BS. They used the AH or got WPs from other players to skip the content.

 Did it with a Witch Doctor on the third pass. It would be a huge problem for a melee character but that is being addressed. I've never used either auction house. I tend to die a lot.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Badaboom

The loot drop system sucks.  For example, on my route to 60 I killed a boss at level 40 in Nightmare (I think) and level 32 equipment fell.  I agree that stats should be a random drop with chances to also get higher level gear to possibly drop, but all drops should be minimum your level.  The way the system is it is almost like you have to buy from the AH to get items your level.  Or you play through to feed an alt appropriate level equipment.

First, don't confuse level to equip an item with item level.  It's not the same thing.

Second, 90%+ of what drops in the game is vendor trash, even if it's legendary. This has always been true of Diablo.

Third, higher level equipment does drop. Sometimes you can't even equip what drops but that is very rare.

Fourth, you don't need to use the auction house to complete inferno. I've done it and so have a lot of other people. I'm not even very good.  After a few balance passes itwill smooth out.

Fifth, sometimes lower item level gear is better depending on your build.  Item level isn't everything.

1) that would imply that you can get a lv30 amulet with 5% crit chance, can you? :) Level to equip unfortunately IS item level, a low level item cannot be spawned with lv60 stats (and possibly require lv60 to equip), it is one of the things that makes the ah system more workable at the expense of destroying the item hunt on alts, a departure from d2. The amulets and rings are most glaring examples of having 14 "white" tiers without name change.

2) yes, but due to many more stats now required, from that 10% there is virtually zero chance to find something good, another sacrifice for the ah.

3) it happens, true.

4) true, but i dont think that was ever the point, outside enrage timers, you would probably find people able to complete the game naked, they always are there, the question is more if the journey is fun the players, and inferno is very unfun if you are undergeared, thus people feel forced to go to the ah if you add 1) and 2) into it

5) are you now playing the "good rolled low level item vs bad rolled high level item" card, really? :)

Flame on!

:)

Originally posted by Nitth

They can do what ever they like if they can afford it.

Personally, What did they buy? some pixels? and if the servers were shut down?

These days peoples lifes are almost 100% involved around pixels like facebook-twitter and look what these companys make for money but produce nothing only a bubble on internet:P

I just posted a few good rares (from Hell Act 3) on the RMAH to see what the fuss is about, only a few quid each, now to see what happens.

Originally posted by Banaghran

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Badaboom

The loot drop system sucks.  For example, on my route to 60 I killed a boss at level 40 in Nightmare (I think) and level 32 equipment fell.  I agree that stats should be a random drop with chances to also get higher level gear to possibly drop, but all drops should be minimum your level.  The way the system is it is almost like you have to buy from the AH to get items your level.  Or you play through to feed an alt appropriate level equipment.

First, don't confuse level to equip an item with item level.  It's not the same thing.

Second, 90%+ of what drops in the game is vendor trash, even if it's legendary. This has always been true of Diablo.

Third, higher level equipment does drop. Sometimes you can't even equip what drops but that is very rare.

Fourth, you don't need to use the auction house to complete inferno. I've done it and so have a lot of other people. I'm not even very good.  After a few balance passes itwill smooth out.

Fifth, sometimes lower item level gear is better depending on your build.  Item level isn't everything.

1) that would imply that you can get a lv30 amulet with 5% crit chance, can you? :) Level to equip unfortunately IS item level, a low level item cannot be spawned with lv60 stats (and possibly require lv60 to equip), it is one of the things that makes the ah system more workable at the expense of destroying the item hunt on alts, a departure from d2. The amulets and rings are most glaring examples of having 14 "white" tiers without name change.

2) yes, but due to many more stats now required, from that 10% there is virtually zero chance to find something good, another sacrifice for the ah.

3) it happens, true.

4) true, but i dont think that was ever the point, outside enrage timers, you would probably find people able to complete the game naked, they always are there, the question is more if the journey is fun the players, and inferno is very unfun if you are undergeared, thus people feel forced to go to the ah if you add 1) and 2) into it

5) are you now playing the "good rolled low level item vs bad rolled high level item" card, really? :)

Flame on!

:)

 1. It's true there are ranges. But for instance I have a level 40 Puzzle ring which is better than any level fifty rare ring you will find in the game. Level to equip is not an indicator of item level. One day they will put the item levels back and the game and you'll see. There are level 63 items that drop in act 2 inferno. There are no level 63 players.

2. My experience is otherwise. I've found some pretty useful items off complete trash mobs. I had a legendary item drop off a skeleton in act 1 of hell.  

4. People choose to use the auction house. It's not necessary and you don't need perfect gear. If you're not willing to work for it you buy it. That's all this is.

5. In the case of a game where perfect gear is both nearly unattainable and unnecessary the card plays. I know people who played D2 for years with multiple level 99 characters without comnpleting a set of gear. I know people who bought duped sets too.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by zyklonian

if people stop using it then bliz will drop it but thats not going to happen

Stop using it??

The only reason why Blizz made it is because people are doing RM trade in D2 when the game does not even support it. RM trade is every where whether the dev supports it or not.

In fact, the success of RMAH in D3 will prompt more games to have it.

The ignorance in your reply truly disgusts me. Just cause it happens doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it, right? Get off my forums. People like you make me sick to my stomach. We are gamers, We play games to enjoy the atmosphere and building our characters up. The moment you put money into the equation it is no longer a game, it is a part time job. I want my games to be enjoyable and fun. The RMAH takes that aspect out of and kills it.

I do hope other companies try to use a RMAH, I can't wait to boycott them and watch them die off as a company.

Originally posted by Raven322

Your friends are complete morons.

And would probably complain that fifteen bucks a month is too expensive?  Murphy is laughing.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Banaghran

1) that would imply that you can get a lv30 amulet with 5% crit chance, can you? :) Level to equip unfortunately IS item level, a low level item cannot be spawned with lv60 stats (and possibly require lv60 to equip), it is one of the things that makes the ah system more workable at the expense of destroying the item hunt on alts, a departure from d2. The amulets and rings are most glaring examples of having 14 "white" tiers without name change.

2) yes, but due to many more stats now required, from that 10% there is virtually zero chance to find something good, another sacrifice for the ah.

3) it happens, true.

4) true, but i dont think that was ever the point, outside enrage timers, you would probably find people able to complete the game naked, they always are there, the question is more if the journey is fun the players, and inferno is very unfun if you are undergeared, thus people feel forced to go to the ah if you add 1) and 2) into it

5) are you now playing the "good rolled low level item vs bad rolled high level item" card, really? :)

Flame on!

:)

 1. It's true there are ranges. But for instance I have a level 40 Puzzle ring which is better than any level fifty rare ring you will find in the game. Level to equip is not an indicator of item level. One day they will put the item levels back and the game and you'll see. There are level 63 items that drop in act 2 inferno. There are no level 63 players.

2. My experience is otherwise. I've found some pretty useful items off complete trash mobs. I had a legendary item drop off a skeleton in act 1 of hell.  

4. People choose to use the auction house. It's not necessary and you don't need perfect gear. If you're not willing to work for it you buy it. That's all this is.

5. In the case of a game where perfect gear is both nearly unattainable and unnecessary the card plays. I know people who played D2 for years with multiple level 99 characters without comnpleting a set of gear. I know people who bought duped sets too.

1) duno, a puzzle ring has +30 all stats, +20 all resists and 3 random affixes, a lv 50 rare can have the same +20 resist, +67 all stats from 2 affixes, leaving him with the same 3 affixes extra... What i will see is mostly the spread, i will not see a lv60 ilv30 base item (a Hatchet one handed axe for example with +65% crit damage, a ilvl63 affix), i will see a lvx ilvx+-3 item. The main issue is that, maybe by pure luck or oversight, most d2 affixes were lv50 and lower, thus from 30-50 you would get very good items for "non-cookie cutter" slots, like gloves, boots, belt , rings, head, amulet (and yes yes +2 skills on head and amulet was a level 90, 80+ to gamble 67 to wear affix :) )....

2) It boils dow to your expectation, if you actually just want to level and such it is no issue, but if you are up to doing inferno and thus are seeking specific 3-4 stats on a item, as opposed to 1-2 on d2 items, it is quite different.

And dont even want me get started on blue items, ironically all the "good" affixes are prefixes, no +crit rating +crit damage on a common 2 affix magic item for you....

4) perfect =/= adequate, due to more difficulty more items are pushed from adequate into poor, you would not wear a common 2 resist +20ias gloves from d2, you would only wear them if they also have +mainstat and +vit....

5) unattainable is true, unnecessary is not, enrage timers, fast mobs, high damage from mobs, unavoidable hits, mobs autorotating on "big hit animations" and so on....

Flame on!

:)

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by zymurgeist

I don't understamnd it but it's nothing new either. People have been buying stuff for years. Blizzard just made it safer.

 This.

Not that most of the people hating on the RMAH will ever accept the obvious.  Hating on Blizzard is like the cool thing to do.

 

yea why hate it? it's all cool what game companies do these days

and while at it suggest your government to sell crack to lil kids as it is happening anyways...

they would just make it safer right?

just because something "happens" doesn't mean it should be picked up, supported and brought to the wide public