Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Originally posted by Z3R01

They will probably let you buy account bound Dyes off the shop...

They need to make money some how.

Bought dyes are random. You dont know what you will get.

Even so it would be a good way for A-net to make money no? You can still farm for dyes but for a easy payment of 5 bucks you can get the color u want and it could be account bound!!!!

Now thats how you support a developer as awesome as A-net.

I'd be ok with Character Bound if there was a mechanism for transfering a color from one character to another. So, each individual dye you've found will only allow it to unlock on one character at a time and if you do remove the color from one character and transfer to another, of course any items dyed that color on the donating character would revert to a default starter color.

The could even sell a very cheap item that allows you to "re-bottle" a color and it would be ok, as long is it was actually cheap.

This would allow you to re-sort colors as you start acquiring enough to build themes and if you have a bunch of colors on a character you later abandon, those dyes are not completely lost.

Originally posted by Z3R01

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Originally posted by Z3R01

They will probably let you buy account bound Dyes off the shop...

They need to make money some how.

Bought dyes are random. You dont know what you will get.

Even so it would be a good way for A-net to make money no? You can still farm for dyes but for a easy payment of 5 bucks you can get the color u want and it could be account bound!!!!

Now thats how you support a developer as awesome as A-net.

If the colors were account bound I would buy them from the gem store. Being char bound has me already decided I wont buy dyes from the store. I am gald to spend money in the gem store but will but will not be buying dyes with the current change.

Dyes from the cash shop and Mystic forge are randomly generated. Once a dye is identified it becomes account-bound and once it is used it becomes character bound. Only unidentified dyes can be traded. So if you're looking for a certain shade, prepare to waste a lot of gems, gold, items in order to get lucky in obtaining the dye you're hunting for. With about 400 dye shades available in a RNG dye system this move is a blatant cash grab.

This change blows especially since Kristen said that dyes would unlock across one's whole account. Anet's new monetizing producer, Crystin Cox, is a former Nexon employee which greatly concerns me about future changes in the cash shop and game. Her response to player discontent on the official forum was frankly a load of PR hooey. Something about unlocking dyes being a way for characters to progress and that dyes are not collection items. Except, unlocking a dye per character is not character progression because a level 1 with 10,000 gems can buy several RNG dyes from the cash shop while a level 40 character is stuck with dyes that they cannot use because they can't trade 'em, already got 'em or just don't want 'em. Also, dyes are indeed collection items, it says so in the darn cash shop ad for dyes. lol

Oh well. According to Cox, they aren't going to change to allow dye unlocks to be account-wide. I'll respect that descision and not spend a dime in their cash shop.

Originally posted by friednietz

Dyes from the cash shop and Mystic forge are randomly generated. Once a dye is identified it becomes account-bound and once it is used it becomes character bound. Only unidentified dyes can be traded. So if you're looking for a certain shade, prepare to waste a lot of gems, gold, items ...

They've already stated that you'll be able to create the color you want using the Mystic Forge.

I think we all know what they are trying to do, but one of them said:

Crystin Cox.2613 said:

We are working on a a way for you to make the exact color of dye you want using the Mystic Forge. You will need to get a specific crafting material for each color but you will get the exact color you want.

We really don’t want dyes to be a Gem Store only feature, we understand that some people would be willing to pay more to get exact dyes or all the dyes but we want to keep some aspects of the dyes system in the game.

I don't even think we will even want the cash shop dye if we can craft dyes by mixing specific materials. Yeah, I do think they are still taking it in the wrong direction, but I hope this reduces the impact if they keep giving us a definate no on account bound dyes.

^While that is an adequate compromise for some. It isn't for me. I know I look unreasonable for it but with 400 shades that just seems like a terribly convoluted system. Account-wide unlocks or at least tradeable identified shades would satisfy me. They are severly underestimating the urge many fans have to throw money at them if they don't turn to underhanded practices :\

I'll put this issue on simmer until I see further iteration of the dye system though.

Dye's. lol

I suggest if you truly want to sample peoples' opinions, you not design future polls in such a horribly biased fashion.  Fail.

Well, I'm not sure I care for character-based color palettes, on the other hand, I noticed after the change that I was getting dye drops A LOT.  I probably received about twenty dyes in just a few hours of play.  That sort of offsets the change for me.

Originally posted by friednietz

Dyes from the cash shop and Mystic forge are randomly generated. Once a dye is identified it becomes account-bound and once it is used it becomes character bound. Only unidentified dyes can be traded. So if you're looking for a certain shade, prepare to waste a lot of gems, gold, items in order to get lucky in obtaining the dye you're hunting for. With about 400 dye shades available in a RNG dye system this move is a blatant cash grab.

This change blows especially since Kristen said that dyes would unlock across one's whole account. Anet's new monetizing producer, Crystin Cox, is a former Nexon employee which greatly concerns me about future changes in the cash shop and game. Her response to player discontent on the official forum was frankly a load of PR hooey. Something about unlocking dyes being a way for characters to progress and that dyes are not collection items. Except, unlocking a dye per character is not character progression because a level 1 with 10,000 gems can buy several RNG dyes from the cash shop while a level 40 character is stuck with dyes that they cannot use because they can't trade 'em, already got 'em or just don't want 'em. Also, dyes are indeed collection items, it says so in the darn cash shop ad for dyes. lol

Oh well. According to Cox, they aren't going to change to allow dye unlocks to be account-wide. I'll respect that descision and not spend a dime in their cash shop.

Lol @ Nexon employee. That whole company is disgusting.

Anyways, I found the starter dyes to be horrendous and ugly. I don't see the point of having 400 shades, making things complicated for no reason. This reminds me of Vindictus dye system and their cash whore ways.

It is slightly annoying, yes. But at least they upped the droprate a lot since BWE1 (and you get the dye right away without any crafting).

I prefer it, because my character's palette will more realistically reflect their experiences, and it provides ArenaNet with slightly more money that is needed to run the servers. It's a very fair trade-off, considering you can just buy dyes off the Trading House without ever touching the gem store and considering there are no longer dye seeds (ie you no longer need to wait for them to grow). I don't feel like this is really something worth getting worked up over.

Dyes are cosmetics. EXACTLY the sort of things that should be sold in a cash shop. I don't mind at all.

The whole idea behind GW2 is that cosmetics have value. It was like this in GW1 and it will be like this in GW2. Hell, didn't you need a dye for every piece of armor in GW1? In the beginning certain Dye's were very uncomon and worh a lot. Now you just need one to perma unlock for a character, which is already making it a lot easier.

Cosmetics are important and need an effort. All gear in GW2 is valued because of cosmetics and nothing more. So you want that special looking gear? Put in some effort. I do not see why people do want to work for meaningless stats endlessly, while thinking working for cosmetics is not worthwhile. Cosmetics = RPG.

I can only say one thing, so what!!!!

Originally posted by fiontar

I'd be ok with Character Bound if there was a mechanism for transfering a color from one character to another. So, each individual dye you've found will only allow it to unlock on one character at a time and if you do remove the color from one character and transfer to another, of course any items dyed that color on the donating character would revert to a default starter color.

The could even sell a very cheap item that allows you to "re-bottle" a color and it would be ok, as long is it was actually cheap.

This would allow you to re-sort colors as you start acquiring enough to build themes and if you have a bunch of colors on a character you later abandon, those dyes are not completely lost.

Your solution makes no sense at all. Its only focus is to make things easier. I do not see how unlocking a certain dye type for you character isn´t something fun. I mean, your color is not that important and its cool to get new ones during leveling.

I do think that shades of dye´s should be known when selling them to other players. Not for the gem store ofcourse.

Really the ammount of comlaining about it all comes from the people who want everythign instantly.

In GW1, every part of equipment needed 1 dye. And every dye could only be used once. Just think how much more effort it was to get certain colors on every set of armor on 1 char. Now think about multiple characters. Kids these days.....want everything NOW NOW NOW. `Who wants to spent time unlocking such a useless think as dye´s anyway, only stats matter not cosmethics` Please, go play any other MMO that is suited for your needs. 

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by fiontar

I'd be ok with Character Bound if there was a mechanism for transfering a color from one character to another. So, each individual dye you've found will only allow it to unlock on one character at a time and if you do remove the color from one character and transfer to another, of course any items dyed that color on the donating character would revert to a default starter color.

The could even sell a very cheap item that allows you to "re-bottle" a color and it would be ok, as long is it was actually cheap.

This would allow you to re-sort colors as you start acquiring enough to build themes and if you have a bunch of colors on a character you later abandon, those dyes are not completely lost.

Your solution makes no sense at all. Its only focus is to make things easier. I do not see how unlocking a certain dye type for you character isn´t something fun. I mean, your color is not that important and its cool to get new ones during leveling.

I do think that shades of dye´s should be known when selling them to other players. Not for the gem store ofcourse.

Really the ammount of comlaining about it all comes from the people who want everythign instantly.

In GW1, every part of equipment needed 1 dye. And every dye could only be used once. Just think how much more effort it was to get certain colors on every set of armor on 1 char. Now think about multiple characters. Kids these days.....want everything NOW NOW NOW. `Who wants to spent time unlocking such a useless think as dye´s anyway, only stats matter not cosmethics` Please, go play any other MMO that is suited for your needs. 

How does it make no sense? It would, at a cost, allow you to move dyes around between your characters on the same account. If you wanted to use the same color on more than one character, you'd still have to get more than one copy of that color. This would be away to roughly approximate accounts being account wide, while still making duplicates valuable.

It's 400 shades for crying out loud. It's not like this mechanism is going to make it easy to get all 400 dyes, it just allows you to ensure that dyes you've applied to one character aren't totally wasted if you decide to stop playing that character or delete them. With a cost involved in the transfer, most people wouldn't transfer dies around in volume, but if you had one shade on character A that you don't use for that character, but would look good on character B, you could transfer the color, rather than having to open hundreds of random dyes, hoping to find the shade again!

The reasons they don't want us to be able to sell or trade identified dyes should be obvious. If you had a three color scheme in mind, you could just buy those three shades and never worry about dyes ever again. Who would buy dye packs? Plus, they obviously don't want dye drops to be a "get rich quick" lottery like syes were in GW1. Popular, rare shades would be very expensive.  Your idea would have an exponentially greater impact on decreasing the difficulty of collecting dyes than my idea would, which makes your last paragraphy very ironic.

Originally posted by fiontar

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by fiontar

I'd be ok with Character Bound if there was a mechanism for transfering a color from one character to another. So, each individual dye you've found will only allow it to unlock on one character at a time and if you do remove the color from one character and transfer to another, of course any items dyed that color on the donating character would revert to a default starter color.

The could even sell a very cheap item that allows you to "re-bottle" a color and it would be ok, as long is it was actually cheap.

This would allow you to re-sort colors as you start acquiring enough to build themes and if you have a bunch of colors on a character you later abandon, those dyes are not completely lost.

Your solution makes no sense at all. Its only focus is to make things easier. I do not see how unlocking a certain dye type for you character isn´t something fun. I mean, your color is not that important and its cool to get new ones during leveling.

I do think that shades of dye´s should be known when selling them to other players. Not for the gem store ofcourse.

Really the ammount of comlaining about it all comes from the people who want everythign instantly.

In GW1, every part of equipment needed 1 dye. And every dye could only be used once. Just think how much more effort it was to get certain colors on every set of armor on 1 char. Now think about multiple characters. Kids these days.....want everything NOW NOW NOW. `Who wants to spent time unlocking such a useless think as dye´s anyway, only stats matter not cosmethics` Please, go play any other MMO that is suited for your needs. 

How does it make no sense? It would, at a cost, allow you to move dyes around between your characters on the same account. If you wanted to use the same color on more than one character, you'd still have to get more than one copy of that color. This would be away to roughly approximate accounts being account wide, while still making duplicates valuable.

It's 400 shades for crying out loud. It's not like this mechanism is going to make it easy to get all 400 dyes, it just allows you to ensure that dyes you've applied to one character aren't totally wasted if you decide to stop playing that character or delete them. With a cost involved in the transfer, most people wouldn't transfer dies around in volume, but if you had one shade on character A that you don't use for that character, but would look good on character B, you could transfer the color, rather than having to open hundreds of random dyes, hoping to find the shade again!

The reasons they don't want us to be able to sell or trade identified dyes should be obvious. If you had a three color scheme in mind, you could just buy those three shades and never worry about dyes ever again. Who would buy dye packs? Plus, they obviously don't want dye drops to be a "get rich quick" lottery like syes were in GW1. Popular, rare shades would be very expensive.  Your idea would have an exponentially greater impact on decreasing the difficulty of collecting dyes than my idea would, which makes your last paragraphy very ironic.

Well, that depends. In GW1 certain colors were pretty rare. So, to say just buy 3 shades they want might not be that easy in practice. Certain colors also were more wanted simply because of the rarity of it, so it works both ways. Also i have no problem with the fact that certain shades would be very expensive, it makes economy way more interesting. i really liked the way dye´s worked in GW1. It made for valuabe items and intresting economics.

But I can see that my idea would indeed make it more easy to collect in that respect that the wanted shades would be buyable. I actually had a full GW1 system in mind, not so much to give 1 dye unlimited uses. if they are unlockables per character, it might indeed not be the smartest solution.

 Still, eventhough your system might work, I think they way it would work seems odd if it was really cheap. Basically you can just remove a certain shade any time you intend on playing a certain character for a while.

I have no problem with the 400 shades per character. Basically, when you have character that is worthwhile, you will probably level it to 80 and unlock a lot of shades in the proces. I see no issue about the whole idea that certain shades may take a while to get. I mean the color shades are fun to unlock, but i do not see it neccessary to have all 400 shades. Also I would most certainly not be bothered that my lvl 40 character does not have acces to a certain shade of blue, Ill pick another shade of blue untill I find a better one. Dye colors are not all that important, especially since there are so many of them.