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  Skuz

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"If you can''t laugh at yourself there''s always someone around to show you how it''s done!"

6/13/12 2:53:08 PM#21

So what if only a handful enjoy the game , if it scratches the itch for them & the company running it can afford to do so the it's a service, a small, niche one is all.

Derek is correct about focusing on the players they have though, this game would require far too much time & money to be mass-market, but if they have resouces enough to continue to develop it that;'s a good thing, there is plenty of room for a game like Alganon in the market, but I do get the sense that many commenters would rather the game was closed down just because it doesn't jive with their own personal agendas.

Leave the little guys alone to tinker with their game, it doesn't hurt you.

  negacrowbar

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6/13/12 3:03:08 PM#22

I love reading Alganon news because soon comes the hate, then the truth, and then Derek Smart trying to stop the former by not delivering the latter...

Reason me this, if MMO is about quality of players over quantity, how do you find quality players when you have no quantity...

It's like looking in a cookie jar for Oreos and all you find is crumbs...

  maji

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6/13/12 3:25:46 PM#23

I feel a bit sorry for the developers of the game. Imagine beeing an artist or programmer for that game. You have such a small team, that you can't do anything to really improve the game, such as improving the graphics engine or adding new classes or anything.

All you can do is using the existing system to try your best to trickle in more content. And no matter how hard you try, with that dated engine and such a small team, it will never look really good. Especially compared to most other titles you can play these days.

It must be very frustrating for the devs.

 

I can see the game beeing fun for some people. At the same time, I don't see a single reason why you should play exactly that game. Tera got it's combat, SWTOR is Star Wars, Rift got it's rifts, and so on.

 

Poor developers. :( I still hope the game lives for a bit longer, so they don't have to find a new job soon.

Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  User Deleted
7/29/12 1:11:43 PM#24

I thought this game died off ages ago, and yet it's apparently thriving enough to warrant an expansion even now. People around here may not be the biggest fan of Derek Smart, but goddamn, he seems to be able to keep a sinking ship afloat better than anyone.

  FrodoFragins

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7/29/12 8:04:16 PM#25
Originally posted by Gajari

I thought this game died off ages ago, and yet it's apparently thriving enough to warrant an expansion even now. People around here may not be the biggest fan of Derek Smart, but goddamn, he seems to be able to keep a sinking ship afloat better than anyone.

Anyone with cash can keep paying developers even after the players have all gone.  That's just throwing money out the window.  That's not really keeping the boat afloat.  That's keeping a game alive to try to use it as a selling point on your resume.  That will only work if people don't ask for financial records.

 

I do feel bad for the investors that got hoodwinked by David Allen.  I don't feel so bad for those still pumping money into the game though as the writing was on the wall a long time ago.  There is 0% chance of investors actually recouping their losses on this game.

  User Deleted
8/06/12 11:48:47 PM#26

So i was looking through the official forums.

You know just to see whats up and whats going on and what kind of life the game has.

from the guy everyone loves:

"Also, if you haven't been keeping up, I am planning on giving all those who purchase the expansion, early Beta access to the Line Of Defense game being developed at another company I own and which is being released at the end of June 2012. If you don't know anything about, check out the game's website and Facebook page (which has a lot more recent shots due to the website undergoing a revamp)"

http://www.alganon.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5586-souhabout-the-expansion/

 

Really was sad to see the guy selling another game made by another company on the forum of a near-dead game whos trying to stay alive with an expansion.

 

Glad to see that there was some form of life in the game...not exactly sure how they are staying above water and even able to develop the game further, much credit given to the actual developers for sticking with the game.  So sad to see a game in this state though...i almost feel the humane thing would be to put it out of its misery and use those developers time for something thats going to get appreciated.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
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8/13/12 1:52:12 PM#27
wow this game is still alive? With the kind of non-population, i thought it would be closed down long ago.
  MadDemon64

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8/13/12 3:14:11 PM#28
Originally posted by nariusseldon
wow this game is still alive? With the kind of non-population, i thought it would be closed down long ago.

It should have.  Something tells me Derek Smart is paying to keep the servers open, and by the time it closes, he is going to be penniless.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  nariusseldon

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8/16/12 2:55:28 PM#29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by nariusseldon
wow this game is still alive? With the kind of non-population, i thought it would be closed down long ago.

It should have.  Something tells me Derek Smart is paying to keep the servers open, and by the time it closes, he is going to be penniless.

I thought he was playing with other people's money (hence the investors)? This is a classical case of throwing good money after bad.

  FrodoFragins

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8/24/12 1:17:49 PM#30
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by nariusseldon
wow this game is still alive? With the kind of non-population, i thought it would be closed down long ago.

It should have.  Something tells me Derek Smart is paying to keep the servers open, and by the time it closes, he is going to be penniless.

I thought he was playing with other people's money (hence the investors)? This is a classical case of throwing good money after bad.

I think he is an investor.  He's convinced them that he can save the game and give them a positive return on investment for the money being spent now.  With the choice being cut your losses now or take a chance Derek Smart can turn it around.  I'd cut my losses now.

  Rednecksith

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Joined: 6/12/09
Posts: 1272

Bite my fiery metal ass!

8/24/12 1:26:18 PM#31

Can't believe I bought this game at release. That's $40 I'll never get back.

Also, DS doesn't give a fuck about current players. He banned all the longtime supporters of the game from the forums for criticizing it pretty much as soon as he was brought on board.

This game needs to die.

  GreenKnight1776

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Joined: 1/25/11
Posts: 61

9/04/12 9:31:47 PM#32

Unfortunately Alganon has become like the agent of Dr. Evil in "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me." No matter what horrible things happen to it, it just...won't...die. Alganon is the Bozo The Clown of the MMO world, but worse, people used to know who Bozo was, and no one really pays attention to Alganon. 

Some great concepts, poorly managed and executed. True, DS has stated "it was all Allen's fault until I came along and turned Alganon around." Except he has been saying that for...how many years now? Two? Alganon is all better now? Really? It's a process then. How many years does he estimate the process will take? There is a business plan, he says. Okay. I guess the results speak for themselves.

Expansion pack? The game is struggling to survive as it is. If they can produce an expansion pack that is even modestly successful in this environment, I salute them.

 

  lizardbones

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9/04/12 10:54:38 PM#33


Originally posted by GreenKnight7
Unfortunately Alganon has become like the agent of Dr. Evil in "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me." No matter what horrible things happen to it, it just...won't...die. Alganon is the Bozo The Clown of the MMO world, but worse, people used to know who Bozo was, and no one really pays attention to Alganon. 

Some great concepts, poorly managed and executed. True, DS has stated "it was all Allen's fault until I came along and turned Alganon around." Except he has been saying that for...how many years now? Two? Alganon is all better now? Really? It's a process then. How many years does he estimate the process will take? There is a business plan, he says. Okay. I guess the results speak for themselves.

Expansion pack? The game is struggling to survive as it is. If they can produce an expansion pack that is even modestly successful in this environment, I salute them.

 




To be fair, the game is better now, than it was when it released. The game never really had a chance though. I'm not sure what DS could have done with the game, other than scrap it and write another one. That failure to launch stigma is hard to get past.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  User Deleted
9/04/12 11:11:01 PM#34
If no one plays can someone answer how the hell this game is still around? Im really confused.
  Theocritus

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Posts: 3622

9/04/12 11:18:24 PM#35
    I played for about a week over a year ago...I never saw a single other person in all that time.....THink I got to about level 20 or so and decided to heck with it.....Also the level 30 cap then you have to pay turned me off...I am surprised though that more people didn't try it as it looks just like a direct rip off of WoW.
  FrodoFragins

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9/06/12 1:52:32 AM#36
Originally posted by Theocritus
    I played for about a week over a year ago...I never saw a single other person in all that time.....THink I got to about level 20 or so and decided to heck with it.....Also the level 30 cap then you have to pay turned me off...I am surprised though that more people didn't try it as it looks just like a direct rip off of WoW.

I retried the game soon after it went F2P.  I actually saw someone as I was about to leave and they asked to group.  The game was so dead that I felt terrible that the one person they could group with was logging out.

 

It was such a blatant ripoff and so poorly done that most people didn't even bother downloading the open beta client.  It only got worse once they released the game.

 

This game getting an expansion befuddles me.

  FrodoFragins

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10/07/12 3:02:58 PM#37
Rumor has it that they had to delay the expansion in order to add pandas to the game.
  MadDemon64

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10/07/12 4:19:16 PM#38
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Rumor has it that they had to delay the expansion in order to add pandas to the game.

Strange, haven't heard anything about that on the forums.

Come to think of it, the last post on the forums was early september, and the second to last post was in july (not accepting support forums, as that was done by a mod, and they don't really count towards forum activity).

Should I take this as proof that Alganon is dead?

 

*Edit*

I just noticed that the recent events and latest characters parts of the website have recycled the same events and characters from several days ago.  Seriously, the webpage is creating the illusion that people are actually playing the game (and failing at it).  That is false advertising right there.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  FrodoFragins

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10/07/12 5:32:33 PM#39
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Rumor has it that they had to delay the expansion in order to add pandas to the game.

Strange, haven't heard anything about that on the forums.

Come to think of it, the last post on the forums was early september, and the second to last post was in july (not accepting support forums, as that was done by a mod, and they don't really count towards forum activity).

Should I take this as proof that Alganon is dead?

 

*Edit*

I just noticed that the recent events and latest characters parts of the website have recycled the same events and characters from several days ago.  Seriously, the webpage is creating the illusion that people are actually playing the game (and failing at it).  That is false advertising right there.

The panda thing was a joke.

 

Has Derek Smart announced a game that he didn't release?  He loves touting his resume, quantity over quality that is.

 

All of his announced upcoming games are delayed at least a year from their original announced dates.

 

My guess is that they will release an expansion of some kind.  Otherwise, why still run servers and the forums?

 

I have no clue why the game is still running.  It's obviously bleeding money, maybe not a lot if no one is working on it, but it's a cash loss for sure.

  OG_Zorvan

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10/07/12 7:22:12 PM#40
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Rumor has it that they had to delay the expansion in order to add pandas to the game.

Strange, haven't heard anything about that on the forums.

Come to think of it, the last post on the forums was early september, and the second to last post was in july (not accepting support forums, as that was done by a mod, and they don't really count towards forum activity).

Should I take this as proof that Alganon is dead?

 

*Edit*

I just noticed that the recent events and latest characters parts of the website have recycled the same events and characters from several days ago.  Seriously, the webpage is creating the illusion that people are actually playing the game (and failing at it).  That is false advertising right there.

The panda thing was a joke.

 

Has Derek Smart announced a game that he didn't release?  He loves touting his resume, quantity over quality that is.

 

All of his announced upcoming games are delayed at least a year from their original announced dates.

 

My guess is that they will release an expansion of some kind.  Otherwise, why still run servers and the forums?

 

I have no clue why the game is still running.  It's obviously bleeding money, maybe not a lot if no one is working on it, but it's a cash loss for sure.

Derek Smart's vanity, that's why. He'd rather spend money from his own pocket to keep the servers alive ( which is most likely cheap enough as there's no real traffic ) than admit a game he is responsible for failed. Again.

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