Trending Games | ArcheAge | Neverwinter | Warhammer 40K: Eternal Crusade | Firefall

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,824,102 Users Online:0
Games:731  Posts:6,217,466
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

Guild Wars 2

Guild Wars 2 

General Discussion  » Disappointing Main Story

3 Pages « 1 2 3 » Search
46 posts found
  Theonenoni

Novice Member

Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 266

6/13/12 10:12:34 AM#21

You have only experienced GW2's story up to level 20.  The devs said that each individual's story will branch into dozens of different directions. 

GW2's storyline shouldnt be bashed because no one has even completed their storyline yet. 

-I am here to perform logic

  PiratePete

Novice Member

Joined: 8/13/07
Posts: 98

6/13/12 10:58:24 AM#22

Indeed.

It'd be like judging skyrim or any other game after only seeing 1/4th, if even that, of the story.

 

Doesn't make sense at all :).

 

And Anet is a great company that seems to actively aim to please the fans. So I would be quite surprised if they didn't do the same with the story.

 

 

  Distopia

Drifter

Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 15506

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

6/13/12 11:10:57 AM#23
Originally posted by raven29

When I first read about the ever changing personal story of GW2 I was very excited. The idea reminded me of Bioware's Mass effect and Dragon Age series. That alone was a huge incentive for me to buy the game.  I did not expect it to be as good but I did expect more from A-Net.

Heres my problem: The story  doesn't relate to my character, the way I want to portray and personalize him. I made a necromancer, as evil looking as possible, destined to crush friends and foe alike, only to have its image shattered by the story. Here is a necromancer whos feasts on souls going around helping strangers, the seraphs and throwing around parties. The game turned him into a hero, without giving me a choice. I DO NOT want this, and when A-Net said I could have my 'own' personal story I was under the impression I could actually CHOOSE my options. 

I am aware of the 3 choices: Charm/Dignity/Ferocity but its very lack luster. From lvl 1-20 I only encountered about 3 choices, and they weren't anything exiciting. Each option lead to a new side quest, and the lack of proper cinematics just made it seem like another quest.

Well thats my rant about the storyline, whether you agree or disagree feel free to discuss.

 

 

I had the same reaction to my thief's story it made no sense to me why he's such a do-gooder helping the local authority.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Rohn

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/02/08
Posts: 3739

6/13/12 11:11:52 AM#24
Originally posted by Meowhead
You're confusing what I said.  You're thinking I said 'Oh, Bioware sucks because GW2 is superior', while all I said was a crotchety stick waving and a 'That isn't GOOD characterization, this isn't like proper literature!'.

I'm a snob.  We all have our standards.  Yours is set to Bioware level, and that's good for you. :)

Bioware simply can't represent me or the types of characters I like to play.  I find almost all the choices I'm given to be relatively cartoonish and simple.

 

Some players point out that the characterization and storytelling in Guild Wars 2 is poor, as is the voice-acting.

The immediate reaction here: Obfuscate and bash Bioware?   

Attempts at sleight of hand notwithstanding, Bioware has nothing to do with how limited, linear, and generally poorly done ANet's attempt at "personal story" is in GW2.  That's all on ANet.

The stories in GW2 are just as hackneyed, and just as derivative, as you'd find in the most mediocre pulp fantasy anywhere.  More importantly, it doesn't seem to add anything meaningful to the game.  Personal story was hyped quite a bit by ANet, but so far it appears to be a weak spot of the game.

Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  Scarlyng

Novice Member

Joined: 5/01/12
Posts: 160

Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. -- Mark Twain

6/13/12 11:14:01 AM#25

As Meowhead pointed out, even the games that provide such choices in a game's story have issues.  I encountered many moments in SWtoR storylines where I said, "Those are my three choices?" or "I chose response B, 'Sure I'll help you out." but my character's dialogue was, 'I will destroy them!' "  Even the games that provide such choices are often clunky.

 

In GW!, the game's story presumes that the character is a hero, who wants to save the people of Rin from the Charr, the people of Kryta from the undead, and the world  from the Mursaat and the Titans.  In GW2 the stories (at least from what I've seen so far) also presume your character is a hero, not a villain.  While playing the hero works for me, I can see where some people might want to play a downright evil character.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

  evolver1972

Novice Member

Joined: 3/18/11
Posts: 1126

What is "real"? How do you define "real"?

6/13/12 11:19:55 AM#26

I do agree about the personal stories being kind of crappy.  I'll play them just to play them, but mainly just so I can get the XP, etc.   To me, the real point of the GW story is your role in the overall history of Tyria, not your lame personal story.

 

I do disagree with how you look at Necromancers.  I don't look at them as evil.  Badass, but not evil.  I plan on playing a Norn Necro, which considering how the Norn look down on people messing with the dead, makes me an outcast.  That's how I look at Necromancers....as outcasts.  So, maybe looking at them that way will make it a little easier to do the personal story and help all these people out.  I know that most people would say, "well I'm an outcast, these people don't want me around, why should I help them?", and that's a good point, but maybe outcasts still have some compassion for those in need?  I know I'm stretching it a bit.  :)

 

There are some storylines too that may fit a little better.  I played a Noble Thief Human in both BWEs and my storyline included the whole carnival thing.  SPOILER ALERT!  In that one, your are trying to stop the Ringmaster from hypnotizing and controlling other people for his own evil plans.  That is a direct parallel to the dragons controlling their minions so it's not something that most people would want, including necromancers.  (yes, I'm deliberately ignoring the fact that necros control minions!)

 

I know I'm just trying to justify the personal stories to make them easier to swallow.  I agree that they aren't all that good but I think Anet kind of painted themselves into a corner with the overall storyline of GW2 that wouldn't allow for people to be on the bad side of things.

 

Even with the lame personal stories, I still think GW2 is an excellent game.  If one part kind of sucks but the rest is awesome, I'm ok with that!

You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???

Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!

  cutthecrap

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/29/12
Posts: 608

6/13/12 11:24:53 AM#27
Originally posted by Meowhead

Double edit:  Oh, and it's because story isn't class based, it's race based.  It's not 'this is the story of a necromancer', it's 'this is the story of a human'.  Also, the whole super stereotypical evil necromancer thing you both mentioned reminds me of the crappy shallow Bioware personalities that are so stereotypical, so I guess I could see how that works for you. :)  Seriously, being evil in a Bioware game is like being cartoon evil.  They just need a mustache to twirl and railroad tracks to tie a girl to. :)

Couldn't disagree more. When you went for the more unscrupulous choices in Mass Effect, never did I get the impression of a cartoon evil character or some stereotypical generic fantasy evil character at all. Sorry, but that's just ridiculous, but hey, whatever.

 

As for GW2 main stories, when I heard about the whole dragon shindig, I was disappointed, I thought that it was the most, utterly cliche theme for a main story and setting  that you can get: powerful dragons that terrorise and threaten a world that needs heroes to save it from them. Seriously, even WoW's CATA had the same theme and fantasy literature genre has been flooded with books with that exact theme.

The area stories in GW2 I thought are nicely done, the main story and character stories lag behind compared to LotrO books or SWTOR class stories, but from what I've seen they all lag behind in story compared to TSW's storylines (imo).

  Meowhead

Tipster

Joined: 1/31/09
Posts: 3728

6/13/12 11:27:51 AM#28
Originally posted by Rohn

 

Some players point out that the characterization and storytelling in Guild Wars 2 is poor, as is the voice-acting.

The immediate reaction here: Obfuscate and bash Bioware?   

Attempts at sleight of hand notwithstanding, Bioware has nothing to do with how limited, linear, and generally poorly done ANet's attempt at "personal story" is in GW2.  That's all on ANet.

The stories in GW2 are just as hackneyed, and just as derivative, as you'd find in the most mediocre pulp fantasy anywhere.  More importantly, it doesn't seem to add anything meaningful to the game.  Personal story was hyped quite a bit by ANet, but so far it appears to be a weak spot of the game.

Uh, no.

I've always expected I wouldn't be impressed by GW2's story, because I'm not impressed by Bioware's story, and like I said, they have the experience and budget to do such things better.

You're still thinking I'm using my disdain for Bioware as a defense for GW2.  It's like this....

Somebody says 'Man, McDonalds is really crappy hamburgers, not awesome like Burger King'.

Then I, the burger snob, go up, roll my eyes 'Yeah, uh... most burger places, including burger king, not exactly the most amazing burgers'.

There's no sleight of hand going on here.

  Atlan99

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/07/08
Posts: 1355

6/13/12 11:41:16 AM#29
Originally posted by Meowhead
 

Uh, no.

I've always expected I wouldn't be impressed by GW2's story, because I'm not impressed by Bioware's story, and like I said, they have the experience and budget to do such things better.

You're still thinking I'm using my disdain for Bioware as a defense for GW2.  It's like this....

Somebody says 'Man, McDonalds is really crappy hamburgers, not awesome like Burger King'.

Then I, the burger snob, go up, roll my eyes 'Yeah, uh... most burger places, including burger king, not exactly the most amazing burgers'.

There's no sleight of hand going on here.

It's more like comparing Fuddruckers to McDonald's.

GW2 story is McDonald's. 3 hour old meat microwaved. Yum Yum.

  Distaste

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/03/06
Posts: 668

6/13/12 11:41:18 AM#30
Originally posted by Rohn
Originally posted by Meowhead
You're confusing what I said.  You're thinking I said 'Oh, Bioware sucks because GW2 is superior', while all I said was a crotchety stick waving and a 'That isn't GOOD characterization, this isn't like proper literature!'.

I'm a snob.  We all have our standards.  Yours is set to Bioware level, and that's good for you. :)

Bioware simply can't represent me or the types of characters I like to play.  I find almost all the choices I'm given to be relatively cartoonish and simple.

 

Some players point out that the characterization and storytelling in Guild Wars 2 is poor, as is the voice-acting.

The immediate reaction here: Obfuscate and bash Bioware?   

Attempts at sleight of hand notwithstanding, Bioware has nothing to do with how limited, linear, and generally poorly done ANet's attempt at "personal story" is in GW2.  That's all on ANet.

The stories in GW2 are just as hackneyed, and just as derivative, as you'd find in the most mediocre pulp fantasy anywhere.  More importantly, it doesn't seem to add anything meaningful to the game.  Personal story was hyped quite a bit by ANet, but so far it appears to be a weak spot of the game.

It has everything to do with it. Bioware sacraficed EVERYTHING in order to do personal story and even then it was mediocre at best(the sith inq was absolutely terrible). So if a company that dropped 100+ million just for story couldn't do it  well, why would Anet who is only putting a small portion of their budget into personal stories?

Oh and the personal stories in GW2 were never hyped as the next epic fantasy story of all time, at least I never got that impression. It was always something in addition to the open world dynamic events that gave you lore/story of what was happening that you might not get from dynamic events. Dynamic events were the focal point of all their hype. I think GW2's personal story is absolutely fine for what it is.

 

If you come to a MMO hoping for the next big fantasy story you're simply looking in the wrong place. It will never happen here because it takes far too much money to make a MMO to begin with and if you do devote that budget to the story the rest of the game suffers in a huge way, SWTOR for example.

  BeansnBread

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5544

6/13/12 11:42:31 AM#31
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Rohn

 

Some players point out that the characterization and storytelling in Guild Wars 2 is poor, as is the voice-acting.

The immediate reaction here: Obfuscate and bash Bioware?   

Attempts at sleight of hand notwithstanding, Bioware has nothing to do with how limited, linear, and generally poorly done ANet's attempt at "personal story" is in GW2.  That's all on ANet.

The stories in GW2 are just as hackneyed, and just as derivative, as you'd find in the most mediocre pulp fantasy anywhere.  More importantly, it doesn't seem to add anything meaningful to the game.  Personal story was hyped quite a bit by ANet, but so far it appears to be a weak spot of the game.

Uh, no.

I've always expected I wouldn't be impressed by GW2's story, because I'm not impressed by Bioware's story, and like I said, they have the experience and budget to do such things better.

You're still thinking I'm using my disdain for Bioware as a defense for GW2.  It's like this....

Somebody says 'Man, McDonalds is really crappy hamburgers, not awesome like Burger King'.

Then I, the burger snob, go up, roll my eyes 'Yeah, uh... most burger places, including burger king, not exactly the most amazing burgers'.

There's no sleight of hand going on here.

That analogy is pretty good and fits pretty well with how I view it. 

 

Besides all that, without many "personal story" or linear personalized quest path MMOs, there aren't really a whole lot of things to compare. It's like the whole planet has only Burger King and McDonalds to choose from. At least in GW2 you can eat a variety of different foods on the way up.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Lord.Bachus

Elite Member

Joined: 5/14/07
Posts: 8589

I believe in life before death... So dont forget to enjoy it while you still can.

6/13/12 11:43:31 AM#32
The story isnt too bad, but it doesnt allow you to play your charcter with awicked twist

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Thorbrand

Novice Member

Joined: 3/06/04
Posts: 1217

6/13/12 11:43:50 AM#33

Yes personal stories in MMOs are boring and bland. In a MMO each player should be making their own personal story but that requires depth in the game.

  MattVid

Novice Member

Joined: 5/19/04
Posts: 407

6/13/12 11:48:02 AM#34

I could care less about the story, and more about the gameplay. The world does a great job of telling stories through events anyways. I find it hilarious that you compare the story to SWTOR and ME. Especially with how the last ME turned out and how bad SWTOR is. Sure, you can choose things that give you light/dark points or change the conversation, but the story really doesn't effect anything in the game at all.

In GW2, I already got a choice to either attack a fort, or ambush them to get a vehicle back that was stolen. That is more choice than I saw when boring myself to death in SWTOR. And again, the story means basically nothing to me when the gameplay is horrid. I have yet to play a Bioware game with gameplay that wasn't absolutely terrible. If i wanted to read a book, I would read a book, not play a video game.

  cutthecrap

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/29/12
Posts: 608

6/13/12 11:51:15 AM#35
Originally posted by Distaste

It has everything to do with it. Bioware sacraficed EVERYTHING in order to do personal story and even then it was mediocre at best(the sith inq was absolutely terrible). So if a company that dropped 100+ million just for story couldn't do it  well, why would Anet who is only putting a small portion of their budget into personal stories?


If you come to a MMO hoping for the next big fantasy story you're simply looking in the wrong place. It will never happen here because it takes far too much money to make a MMO to begin with and if you do devote that budget to the story the rest of the game suffers in a huge way, SWTOR for example.

Now, that's bullshit, of course good storytelling can be done in an MMO, only the limitations have to be kept in mind, but I've experienced enough intriguing or engaging storylines in MMO's I played. SWTOR's class stories were alright, better than storylines in most MMO's even among the best leveling experiences you can get, although the quality of the storylines could vary from one class to the next. And imo they weren't the best dev provided story I've experienced in an MMO, but still done pretty well, in presentation as well as story richness.

 

Originally posted by MattVid
I have yet to play a Bioware game with gameplay that wasn't absolutely terrible.

I had a blast in ME and ME2, no problem at all with the gameplay in there. But hey, whatever, to each their own games.

  Distopia

Drifter

Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 15506

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

6/13/12 12:05:26 PM#36
Originally posted by Thorbrand

Yes personal stories in MMOs are boring and bland. In a MMO each player should be making their own personal story but that requires depth in the game.

To me this is just excusing the mediocre story telling that we see in MMO land. There's no reason why this genre should be devoid of overarching narrative. Especially considering MMO's are about players creating characters aimed to intertwine with an existing world theme, the more fleshed out that background story is, the easier it becomes to associate a character to their world, it also creates the right keynote to use in an imaginative sense. Case in point: real roleplaying games.

The main problem with 90% of the stories we see in our MMO's is they're lacking mature themes that this demographic can relate to. MOst of the stories and characters are written like those you find in 80's Saturday morning cartoons. IE TOR= Gi-Joe GW2= He-man. ONe thing I have to hand to FC with TSW is they're at least focusing on more mature thought provoking themes.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  seridan

Novice Member

Joined: 5/26/12
Posts: 1212

6/13/12 12:12:10 PM#37

First of all, Guild Wars 2 is rated Teen. Although I dislike the idea of a Teen rated game, because I prefer a medieval fantasy game to be more dark and brutal like Dragon Age, I can understand why they did it. That's why you can't play a wicked or moraly wrong character, players are supposed to be the big heroes of justice that help the community, even if the community itself had cast them away on the streets (the "street rat" background)

As a "Hero of Justice" story I found it to be quite good. There is some plot going on, and some quests, like the infiltration of the noble party, were well executed and provided a good "role playing" reason. Still, role playing with myself is a bit pointless but you "role play" alone when you play single player RPGs as well.

What I liked the most about the story is that player choices lead to different quest areas, unlike other games where you only get some extra dialogue. Bioware makes excellent RPGs with amazing story, that's a given for me, but most choices are for role playing reasons, no matter what you choose you will play the same mission/quest, only the final boss of the quest changes sometimes. But in GW2 I get choices of which mission to play. This gives more replayability. If the branching continues like this it might be an amazing story as well.

Also compared to Dragon Age or SWTOR for example we've seen a small part of the storyline and we are still playing as "Nobles" and "Commoners". I've yet to see a quest that is for "Humans" or even worse, for all players in the game. I could create 9 characters in the beta (3 races x 3 backgrounds) and experience a completely different story, while the class stories in TOR end way too soon (and the origins in DAO a joke).

GW2 offers more variety in what you can do, and this is the main plus of its story. Keep in mind it's an MMO. Mass Effect has tons of replayability so you can experience all the different dialogues but in GW2 you will play different areas, almost different games, altogether. That's the main difference for me. Also the "Circus" storyline was quite interesting and unique, I kinda liked it a lot, apart from the fact that a "noble" would miss the opportunity to work at a circus.....

Overall, the storyline of Guild Wars 2 is interesting and not as bad as people make it to be. Look at it as a "Hero of Justice" story, like a full Paragon in Mass Effect, and you won't find it lacking much. While there is limited choice in dialogue, there is more choice in content, which I prefer in an MMO.

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

  StrixMaxima

Novice Member

Joined: 2/07/09
Posts: 890

6/13/12 12:15:51 PM#38
Originally posted by PiratePete

Those games also forced you to go a certain way for certain things. You couldn't punch out the king while he was escaping as you would get brutally murdered. You couldn't slay the dragon and call it a day when escaping in skyrim.  Your character was pushed along through a seemingly linear path that opened up from there. But it doesn't open up to the sense people like to claim either. You had two choices, Stormcloak or Empire or go straight story and slay the dragon.  The rest was all sidequest filler which all the dynamic events and exploring can be chalked to for GW2.

 

So even morrowind, oblivion, and skyrim are pretty linear story wise.

 

When you look at the story as a whole though it seems like a fairly decent story.

But why are we judging GW2 story before we can do the same?

 

Doesn't make sense.

Like a great journalist once said: "You don't need to eat the whole egg to know it is rotten" =)

While you are correct about the general gist of the main story in the Elder Scrolls games, you forgot that you have a lot more moral options and allegiances there. Thus, you could tailor a more diverse story in those games, simply because you have more tools at your disposal.

But, as I said, I do expect some changes and improvements in GW2's PSs. I simply don't think we'll have huge script changes. And I don't mind that at all. It is still a great game, and we all should be able to put up with a little silliness without having seizures.

  Zeus.CM

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/13/10
Posts: 1797

www.croatian-maniacs.com

6/13/12 12:19:10 PM#39

I say it's pretty decent introduction to the story. We've experienced only very small percentage of the story. I believe someone said that majority of the story is after lv 80.

  PiratePete

Novice Member

Joined: 8/13/07
Posts: 98

6/13/12 12:34:46 PM#40

There's also the concept of factions in the story or at least from what I recall. Perhaps one of the factions is more on the unsavory side that will allow for the "get it done no matter what" type personalities out there that would be willing to torch a village to prevent a plague spreading or what have you.

 

There's still so much to the story we haven't even had the chance to experience. To write it off as poor with out actually experiencing it would be quite synonymous with judging a book by it's cover.

3 Pages « 1 2 3 » Search