Originally posted by Xssiv

It's really getting to a point on these forums where people cannot post any negative comments about GW2 without being personally attacked, having their posting history examined for discrepencies and basically being told to GTFO.

Ironically, it seems that GW2 fans post some of the most harsh and damning comments about games that I personally enjoy.

If this is any indication of the type of community GW2 will have in game, people may want to steer clear.

Welcome to MMORPG.com, hypocrite central, heh.  Many of the vicious defenders of GW2 are the very same individuals who incessantly ranted about SWTOR over the last couple of years.  Think junk yard dog with a very old bone.

Some games just don't click for some people. I see no problem posting that here. People come here to discuss the game, and that shouldn't be limited to only talking about the positives, and he brings up points from his experience in game that a lot of potential gamers might find useful.

People who come here and refute his OPINION by saying things like 'You didn't play the same game as me!' or 'Obviously OP didn't do X, Y, or Z'... you guys are just fanboying. Here's a hint: You're not going to change his mind, and you're just bringing more attention to his post by trying to counter his OPINION. The most effective thing you can do if you don't like what he's saying is to just shut the hell up and let the thread bury itself (which it will), rather than bumping it with inane platitudes.

Originally posted by Fozzik

 

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Originally posted by Mephster
Don't blame you OP, the zergfest from one dynamic event to the next is not really appealing. You , yourself are not changing the world around you when everyone is doing the same thing as you. 

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So... stop running around with 100 other people. =\

 

The zones are almost completely open. The content is not in a straight line. If you move away from the big crowds and do a bit of exploring...talk to some NPCs and listen to what they are saying, you'll be discovering events that the zerg doesn't even know about.

Most players are only scratching the surface of the content in GW2 right now, because most players are still trying to play GW2 like it's a linear task-grind from hub to hub. Stop doing that, and suddenly the game gets dramatically better. This is not a WoW clone. If you try to play it like one, it doesn't work.

One of my fav posters from the early rift forums. Nice to see you around. 

But what happens when you level and skill cap? Uh oh. 

Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by Xssiv

It's really getting to a point on these forums where people cannot post any negative comments about GW2 without being personally attacked, having their posting history examined for discrepencies and basically being told to GTFO.

Ironically, it seems that GW2 fans post some of the most harsh and damning comments about games that I personally enjoy.

If this is any indication of the type of community GW2 will have in game, people may want to steer clear.

Welcome to MMORPG.com, hypocrite central, heh.

Go read the beta forums they are even worse never saw so many entitlement kids screaming me me me me me me. Well they are down for maintenance now but just saying lol.

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Originally posted by drakaena

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Originally posted by Fozzik  

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Originally posted by Mephster Don't blame you OP, the zergfest from one dynamic event to the next is not really appealing. You , yourself are not changing the world around you when everyone is doing the same thing as you. 

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  So... stop running around with 100 other people. =\   The zones are almost completely open. The content is not in a straight line. If you move away from the big crowds and do a bit of exploring...talk to some NPCs and listen to what they are saying, you'll be discovering events that the zerg doesn't even know about. Most players are only scratching the surface of the content in GW2 right now, because most players are still trying to play GW2 like it's a linear task-grind from hub to hub. Stop doing that, and suddenly the game gets dramatically better. This is not a WoW clone. If you try to play it like one, it doesn't work.

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One of my fav posters from the early rift forums. Nice to see you around. 

But what happens when you level and skill cap? Uh oh. 

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Downscaling. At level and skill cap, you will still have hundreds of dynamic events you haven't seen, multiple zones you haven't explored, and hundreds of sets of armor / weapons / achievements and other collectables to do. There's multiple max level dungeons which each contain three paths to completion plus dynamic events and puzzles which provide additional variety...and they are said to be extremely challenging. Add to that max-level large-scale dynamic events that allow up to 100 players to take part in the open world in events that change zones for days or weeks at a time (success or failure).

The difference between this and most previous MMORPGs is that the game doesn't bait and switch you into a completely different play style and leave you with an ever-shrinking selection of options at max level. This game opens as you level, and never closes. You just keep playing the same way you did all the way up.

There's also crafting and PvP if you're into those elements, and the developers will be adding additional dynamic events throughout the world after release for free, and building whole new areas for expansions. Because of characters being leveled automatically to the content, anything they create and add to the game is available to EVERYONE, not just people in a select level range or play style.

Originally posted by Fozzik

 

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Originally posted by drakaena

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Originally posted by Fozzik  

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Originally posted by Mephster Don't blame you OP, the zergfest from one dynamic event to the next is not really appealing. You , yourself are not changing the world around you when everyone is doing the same thing as you. 

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  So... stop running around with 100 other people. =\   The zones are almost completely open. The content is not in a straight line. If you move away from the big crowds and do a bit of exploring...talk to some NPCs and listen to what they are saying, you'll be discovering events that the zerg doesn't even know about. Most players are only scratching the surface of the content in GW2 right now, because most players are still trying to play GW2 like it's a linear task-grind from hub to hub. Stop doing that, and suddenly the game gets dramatically better. This is not a WoW clone. If you try to play it like one, it doesn't work.

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One of my fav posters from the early rift forums. Nice to see you around. 

 

But what happens when you level and skill cap? Uh oh. 

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Downscaling. At level and skill cap, you will still have hundreds of dynamic events you haven't seen, multiple zones you haven't explored, and hundreds of sets of armor / weapons / achievements and other collectables to do. There's multiple max level dungeons which each contain three paths to completion plus dynamic events and puzzles which provide additional variety...and they are said to be extremely challenging. Add to that max-level large-scale dynamic events that allow up to 100 players to take part in the open world in events that change zones for days or weeks at a time (success or failure).

The difference between this and most previous MMORPGs is that the game doesn't bait and switch you into a completely different play style and leave you with an ever-shrinking selection of options at max level. This game opens as you level, and never closes.

There's also crafting and PvP if you're into those elements, and the developers will be adding additional dynamic events throughout the world after release for free, and building whole new areas for expansions. Because of characters being leveled automatically to the content, anything they create and add to the game is available to EVERYONE, not just people in a select level range or play style.

I kind of consider dungeons and the PVE world separate. 

I agree the freedom and exploration is great. But I kind of feel I'm going to zip through that content rather quickly. My main issue is the different elements of the game are isolated from eachother. They are their own games unto themselves. So once I've completed all of the dynamic content, what's left is a PvP lobby game. Or instanced dungeons, but I can insta tele to those. So while the leveling process will be excellent, and my favorite aspect of the game, I'm afraid it will be short lived. 

There's no reason to exist in the virtual world that GW2 has created.

Originally posted by tixylix

Props to ArenaNet though they gave me a refund for simply saying in the email that I don not like the game. No other developer would do that and it really shows confidence in their product. They are doing everything right from great features as overflow servers and not rushing the game to launch, the beta has been going on for a long time and looks to continue that way. It is the best one of these since WoW, but the problem is I got bored of this kind of MMO with WoW. The new features that they're claiming I feel like I've played them before in games like DAOC or WAR and they end up as zergfests like they did when I was in the beta weekend. I was told there was innovative Dynamic quests that got better as you progressed and yet so far from what I've played and them carrying the characters over so we could try higher level stuff, they aren't getting better. It just feels more like static scripted events more than dynamic....

Guild Wars 2 will be a hit purely on the back of it being F2P, you don't have to choose to pay or stop playing so you can jump in whenever you want unlike SWTOR. I just don't see it as that innovative MMORPG that will change the genre like everyone keeps saying. I logged in, got pushed down a linear path like a tutorial that every MMO does these days until you get to the open world. Then the first quests I got was to kill ten rats and I already felt like I played this game before. From that moment it had a lot of work to do to keep me to stay but it continued to play like everything else. Sure it's the best on of it's kind for a long time, much better than SWTOR but like I said I'm bored of the themepark MMO.

The only MMO that we've seen that excites me now is Planetside 2 because it is very different from everything else apart from Planetside which I last played in 2004 before BFRs ruined it, so It feels really fresh. 

The game does not do it for you and that's cool, you're entitled to your opinion, however you bring some pretty bad arguments to the table.

For example you say the game is a zergfest, true, numbers make a difference in any game but you obviously didn't try Ascalon Catacombs, a 5 man dungeon where the regular mobs are as strong as a boss and where a bad team that has been playing "The same MMO" for years will likely be wiped, there's some clever tricks to the dungeon and organization is of the matter, same with WvWvW you must not have watched the videos of some skilled players taking down zergs and organizing siege weapons, sure there was an overpopulation bug but that is bound to be fixed, it's beta and that's what it's for.

Also the game is B2P not F2P, and the features appeal to many players (as you may have noticed) which will make it a hit and not on the fact that it's B2P alone.

The game won't change the genre? This is purely personal because for many people it will. I'm tired of quest hubs and gear grind and ganking, I enjoy the change and will not go back to the same old MMOs again, I just can't bear to play them and I'm sure there are plenty like me. 

Sure the Events and hearts are scripted, the game can't revolve around you it's there for everyone, sure they will repeat other people have to enjoy it too, this argument is ridiculous it's laughable. And yes hearts and events are quests disguised however, it's a clear welcome change, that's why many support this game.

Having that said, 3 beta weekends have done nothing but ruin every other game for me, if anything that I agree with the OP is that Arenanet is proving themselves over and over again, with the fixes they make and the speed they work with, their connection with the community and listening to suggestions and criticism (Keybinding, Chat Bubbles, etc) Have to give credit where credit is due.

Personally I'm glad that the OP has been refunded and will no longer need to share their opinion on this game.   The OP was against GW2 before prepurchase was available, and has magically been able to play 3 BWE's when there has only been 2, and has continually been disappointed at every turn.  So if it's not trolling, then we've found another one of those "special" people who spend their money on things they don't like. 

Normally I would comment about how the OP could be well served by visiting the underside of a truck but instead I'll just say "thanks for leaving!" and leave it at that.

Originally posted by Terrorizor

Personally I'm glad that the OP has been refunded and will no longer need to share their opinion on this game.   The OP was against GW2 before prepurchase was available, and has magically been able to play 3 BWE's when there has only been 2, and has continually been disappointed at every turn.  So if it's not trolling, then we've found another one of those "special" people who spend their money on things they don't like. 

Normally I would comment about how the OP could be well served by visiting the underside of a truck but instead I'll just say "thanks for leaving!" and leave it at that.

Actually there have been three, please post with better facts you won't look as foolish.

Originally posted by Saxonblade

Originally posted by Terrorizor

Personally I'm glad that the OP has been refunded and will no longer need to share their opinion on this game.   The OP was against GW2 before prepurchase was available, and has magically been able to play 3 BWE's when there has only been 2, and has continually been disappointed at every turn.  So if it's not trolling, then we've found another one of those "special" people who spend their money on things they don't like. 

Normally I would comment about how the OP could be well served by visiting the underside of a truck but instead I'll just say "thanks for leaving!" and leave it at that.

Actually there have been three, please post with better facts you won't look as foolish.

Actually, there have been two unless there was magically 2 weekends since June 5.

http://www.arena.net/blog/the-big-beta-weekend-preview

It’s almost here—the second Guild Wars 2 Beta Weekend Event begins this Friday! For three days, players from all over the world will experience the wonders and dangers of Tyria—and a ton of cool new content!

It's ok, I understand that not everybody can comprehend complex things like a calendar.

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Originally posted by drakaena

There's no reason to exist in the virtual world that GW2 has created.

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I don't really understand what you mean with that statement.

I will say that I think you're underestimating the amount of available content in the open world. A lot of people don't realize the layers that exist...the fact that there are many, many dynamic events, puzzles, and hidden areas that you will never see just running around near the heart quests. Just discovering all those "deeper" things will take significant time...let alone completing them all. In my opinion, there's significantly more content packed into this world than any other MMORPG I've ever played. Much of it is hidden, or in motion...so it's difficult to nail down since you can't see it all at the same time.

They stated there were 1500 dynamic events a year or so ago...so my guess is that there are more than that now. That's 50+ per zone, and that's on top of hearts and everything else there is to do.

Also, as I said, they have developed a really streamlined set of tools for creating dynamic events going forward, and they are planning on adding them to all zones. This means that even if you manage to complete every event in a given zone, a month or two later you might explore the same zone and find new content you can do.

The various personal stories plus the diversity of the professions' play styles leaves lots of room for replayability. Just being able to seamlessly jump back to starter zones and help out new players and my friends who are joining the game with basically no overhead or barriers means I'll likely play much longer.

Anyway...we'll have to wait and see. =) I know at least in the short- and mid-term...I'm going to be having more fun in GW2 than I have in any MMORPG in about 10 years or more. For $60, that's a hell of a great deal and I'm so glad the genre isn't totally dead for me.

Originally posted by Terrorizor

Originally posted by Saxonblade

Originally posted by Terrorizor

Personally I'm glad that the OP has been refunded and will no longer need to share their opinion on this game.   The OP was against GW2 before prepurchase was available, and has magically been able to play 3 BWE's when there has only been 2, and has continually been disappointed at every turn.  So if it's not trolling, then we've found another one of those "special" people who spend their money on things they don't like. 

Normally I would comment about how the OP could be well served by visiting the underside of a truck but instead I'll just say "thanks for leaving!" and leave it at that.

Actually there have been three, please post with better facts you won't look as foolish.

Actually, there have been two unless there was magically 2 weekends since June 5.

http://www.arena.net/blog/the-big-beta-weekend-preview

It’s almost here—the second Guild Wars 2 Beta Weekend Event begins this Friday! For three days, players from all over the world will experience the wonders and dangers of Tyria—and a ton of cool new content!

 

It's ok, I understand that not everybody can understand complex things like a calendar.

 

You just don't know when to stop, actually there was a beta weekend before the first BWE, I will edit this with the link. My bad there were 2 not one, but that is ok, both were press weekends that didinvite some players it is very possible he was in these, but then again I take people for their word not instantly attack them.

Originally posted by Saxonblade

Originally posted by Terrorizor

Originally posted by Saxonblade

Originally posted by Terrorizor

Personally I'm glad that the OP has been refunded and will no longer need to share their opinion on this game.   The OP was against GW2 before prepurchase was available, and has magically been able to play 3 BWE's when there has only been 2, and has continually been disappointed at every turn.  So if it's not trolling, then we've found another one of those "special" people who spend their money on things they don't like. 

Normally I would comment about how the OP could be well served by visiting the underside of a truck but instead I'll just say "thanks for leaving!" and leave it at that.

Actually there have been three, please post with better facts you won't look as foolish.

Actually, there have been two unless there was magically 2 weekends since June 5.

http://www.arena.net/blog/the-big-beta-weekend-preview

It’s almost here—the second Guild Wars 2 Beta Weekend Event begins this Friday! For three days, players from all over the world will experience the wonders and dangers of Tyria—and a ton of cool new content!

 

It's ok, I understand that not everybody can understand complex things like a calendar.

 

You just don't know when to stop, actually there was a beta weekend before the first BWE, I will edit this with the link. My bad there were 2 not one, but that is ok, both were press weekends that didinvite some players it is very possible he was in these, but then again I take people for their word not instantly attack them.

Thanks. And you're a much better person than me for giving people the benefit of the doubt. I won't win any prizes for public relations as  I have a tendency to be painfully honest. You might also notice that I did comment about his post history, so it's not like I'm attacking him just because.   

Originally posted by Fozzik

 

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Originally posted by drakaena

 

There's no reason to exist in the virtual world that GW2 has created.

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I don't really understand what you mean with that statement.

I will say that I think you're underestimating the amount of available content in the open world. A lot of people don't realize the layers that exist...the fact that there are many, many dynamic events, puzzles, and hidden areas that you will never see just running around near the heart quests. Just discovering all those "deeper" things will take significant time...let alone completing them all. In my opinion, there's significantly more content packed into this world than any other MMORPG I've ever played. Much of it is hidden, or in motion...so it's difficult to nail down since you can't see it all at the same time.

They stated there were 1500 dynamic events a year or so ago...so my guess is that there are more than that now. That's 50+ per zone, and that's on top of hearts and everything else there is to do.

Also, as I said, they have developed a really streamlined set of tools for creating dynamic events going forward, and they are planning on adding them to all zones. This means that even if you manage to complete every event in a given zone, a month or two later you might explore the same zone and find new content you can do.

The various personal stories plus the diversity of the professions' play styles leaves lots of room for replayability. Just being able to seamlessly jump back to starter zones and help out new players and my friends who are joining the game with basically no overhead or barriers means I'll likely play much longer.

Anyway...we'll have to wait and see. =) I know at least in the short- and mid-term...I'm going to be having more fun in GW2 than I have in any MMORPG in about 10 years or more. For $60, that's a hell of a great deal and I'm so glad the genre isn't totally dead for me.

For the sake of awesomeness I hope you are right. Admittedly I have barely scratched the surface of PvE content, so I really don't know. 

What I mean is that in other MMO's that create a virtual fantasy world, they funnel players into the world to keep it active. At least the good ones do. The way GW2 is set up, different playstyles are segmented from eachother. They coexist but are not cohesive. The PvE world feels like a place to level and acquire skills, but not a virtual world in the sense that this is a world my character lives in. After it's served it's purpose I may never again set foot in it. Due to the fast travel nature of GW2, I don't need to transverse PvE areas to get places. Hence the lobby game comment. I hope that makes sense, lol. 

Anyways, definitely worth the 60$. And again, I hope you're right and there is enough content there to keep me going back longer than a month or two. 

Originally posted by Terrorizor

Originally posted by Saxonblade

Actually, there have been two unless there was magically 2 weekends since June 5.

http://www.arena.net/blog/the-big-beta-weekend-preview

It’s almost here—the second Guild Wars 2 Beta Weekend Event begins this Friday! For three days, players from all over the world will experience the wonders and dangers of Tyria—and a ton of cool new content!

 

It's ok, I understand that not everybody can understand complex things like a calendar.

 

You just don't know when to stop, actually there was a beta weekend before the first BWE, I will edit this with the link. My bad there were 2 not one, but that is ok, both were press weekends that didinvite some players it is very possible he was in these, but then again I take people for their word not instantly attack them.

Thanks. And you're a much better person than me for giving people the benefit of the doubt. I won't win any prizes for public relations as  I have a tendency to be painfully honest.  

You do know that you can be painfully honest, rip someone to shreds and word it so that they never saw or felt the razorblade. I prefer that approach myself :P

Originally posted by Saxonblade

Originally posted by Terrorizor

Originally posted by Saxonblade

Actually, there have been two unless there was magically 2 weekends since June 5.

http://www.arena.net/blog/the-big-beta-weekend-preview

It’s almost here—the second Guild Wars 2 Beta Weekend Event begins this Friday! For three days, players from all over the world will experience the wonders and dangers of Tyria—and a ton of cool new content!

 

It's ok, I understand that not everybody can understand complex things like a calendar.

 

You just don't know when to stop, actually there was a beta weekend before the first BWE, I will edit this with the link. My bad there were 2 not one, but that is ok, both were press weekends that didinvite some players it is very possible he was in these, but then again I take people for their word not instantly attack them.

Thanks. And you're a much better person than me for giving people the benefit of the doubt. I won't win any prizes for public relations as  I have a tendency to be painfully honest.  

You do know that you can be painfully honest, rip someone to shreds and word it so that they never saw or felt the razorblade. I prefer that approach myself :P

lol, once again, you're a better person then I. I like the salted wound approach myself.

Originally posted by tixylix

Props to ArenaNet though they gave me a refund for simply saying in the email that I don not like the game. No other developer would do that and it really shows confidence in their product. They are doing everything right from great features as overflow servers and not rushing the game to launch, the beta has been going on for a long time and looks to continue that way. It is the best one of these since WoW, but the problem is I got bored of this kind of MMO with WoW. The new features that they're claiming I feel like I've played them before in games like DAOC or WAR and they end up as zergfests like they did when I was in the beta weekend. I was told there was innovative Dynamic quests that got better as you progressed and yet so far from what I've played and them carrying the characters over so we could try higher level stuff, they aren't getting better. It just feels more like static scripted events more than dynamic....

Guild Wars 2 will be a hit purely on the back of it being F2P, you don't have to choose to pay or stop playing so you can jump in whenever you want unlike SWTOR. I just don't see it as that innovative MMORPG that will change the genre like everyone keeps saying. I logged in, got pushed down a linear path like a tutorial that every MMO does these days until you get to the open world. Then the first quests I got was to kill ten rats and I already felt like I played this game before. From that moment it had a lot of work to do to keep me to stay but it continued to play like everything else. Sure it's the best on of it's kind for a long time, much better than SWTOR but like I said I'm bored of the themepark MMO.

The only MMO that we've seen that excites me now is Planetside 2 because it is very different from everything else apart from Planetside which I last played in 2004 before BFRs ruined it, so It feels really fresh. 

Well your refunded now so no more posts from you on your  GW2 experinces.....

Originally posted by tixylix

 

The only MMO that we've seen that excites me now is Planetside 2 because it is very different from everything else apart from Planetside which I last played in 2004 before BFRs ruined it, so It feels really fresh. 

Yeah I feel your pain on BFR's runing PS..  But if you have been watching any videos and vid feeds you would know that Planetside 2 should be called Battlefield by SOE instead.... I mean with the exception of the skin the game is going to be alot different then our orginal Planetside...

OP you are nto alone, from what i been seeing from GW2 its the same old MMO style gameplay everyone has grown up on...nothing new here...move along. the hype will destroy itself as it did with SWTOR.

I eegerly await with popcorn when this game launches to see all the negative feedbackon this site!:)

Hell, i have yet to even buy Tera...finally MIGHt be picking it up this weekend just because my friend got me a 50% off code :p

But i would rather pay for sat radio than a mmo...even though i dont have sat radio...we need a new darkfall :p

So after reading title, I was like ok well this probably isn't the game for you OP.  Then you go on about how the game isn't innovating, or different blah blah and then I thought oh, its one of these guys.  Useless thread is useless.