Originally posted by cutthecrap

Originally posted by gestalt11

They may all be using mostly the same pieces arranged different, but GW2 put different pieces at the foundation and in a different order.  TSW used the same piece in the same order but put some caveats and conditions on them.

I find this is giving too little credit to the differences that TSW has: no classses, no character based levels, statless clothing, puzzle style Investigation Missions a la adventure games, larger synergetic interaction between skills, different style of crafting, Sabotage Missions, and the use of real-world knowledge and info to solve quests that only its original setting which is different from the typical fantasy/scifi mold as well makes possible.

Sure, some of those have been seen in a few other MMO's as well, but there's quite a number of things that show that the TSW team have their own design philosophy and approach that's different from the norm, certainly not picking the same pieces in the same order.

That is fine and not something I will argue.  In fact they are things I like.  But they also all been dones before.  And not only done before but evoke skepticism.

This isn't about what I like, its about what people would vote.  GW2 will beat out TSW no matter what simply because enough people will consider it wizbang new because they arrange the pieces differently and added in scripting.

You realize I am not giving much credit to either side  GW2 is also far morethan I am describing.  I am boiling them done to very basic stuff.  Not only have I seen what TSW is doing before I have seen it done tons of different ways.  TSW is much more like the old MUDs I used to play where quests were puzzles and you had skills etc.  For me that is a good thing.

But its not a new thing.  The shiny will win.

Originally posted by cutthecrap

Originally posted by gestalt11

They may all be using mostly the same pieces arranged different, but GW2 put different pieces at the foundation and in a different order.  TSW used the same piece in the same order but put some caveats and conditions on them.

I find this is giving too little credit to the differences that TSW has: no classses, no character based levels, statless clothing, puzzle style Investigation Missions a la adventure games, larger synergetic interaction between skills, different style of crafting, Sabotage Missions, and the use of real-world knowledge and info to solve quests that only its original setting which is different from the typical fantasy/scifi mold as well makes possible.

Sure, some of those have been seen in a few other MMO's as well, but there's quite a number of things that show that the TSW team have their own design philosophy and approach that's different from the norm, certainly not picking the same pieces in the same order.

From a mechanics standpoint, GW2 feels more innovative and fun, especially the combat. TSW is the clear winner when it comes to the story/setting though. 

Originally posted by Krytycal

Originally posted by cutthecrap

Originally posted by gestalt11

They may all be using mostly the same pieces arranged different, but GW2 put different pieces at the foundation and in a different order.  TSW used the same piece in the same order but put some caveats and conditions on them.

I find this is giving too little credit to the differences that TSW has: no classses, no character based levels, statless clothing, puzzle style Investigation Missions a la adventure games, larger synergetic interaction between skills, different style of crafting, Sabotage Missions, and the use of real-world knowledge and info to solve quests that only its original setting which is different from the typical fantasy/scifi mold as well makes possible.

Sure, some of those have been seen in a few other MMO's as well, but there's quite a number of things that show that the TSW team have their own design philosophy and approach that's different from the norm, certainly not picking the same pieces in the same order.

From a mechanics standpoint, GW2 feels more innovative and fun, especially the combat. TSW is the clear winner when it comes to the story/setting though. 

The combat is something that will keep players building and fighting for a very long time. It's really hard to put into words what you are able to build and what you can do with that build. You can build whatever style you can think of. It's all there.

sick sick game. 

TSW is nice, but if it's released in the state it is now it will be ruined. It's sad that the game's life is quite dependant on it's release.

Originally posted by DarkDemon69

With all the game breaking bugs it will have still at launch it will be another funcom flop. Sadly I purchased GM package. Great game other than all the bugs but we are looking at another AO and AoC launch.

Havne't come across any game breaking bugs so far, unless FUNCOM intentionally introduces bugs i don't see how this is going to be another funcom flop. For beta game is very polished and smooth.

Sorry but i think you are just making stuff up here.

For ME ive tried both TSW and GW2 betas and currently i have to say TSW is ahead for me.

To be honest 60% of this thread is yet again another stand off between 2 titles that are very different and as always it depends on an individuals taste. Would of been better to do a bloody poll or something.

If its GOTY or not i dont know but it will be well up there.

I personally think GW 2 is overated and i got fairly bored actually with the beta weekend just gone and didnt play Sunday. Ive also seen a fair few others comment this.

If TSW is ever considered the game of the year by any credible source, I will eat my keyboard.  We know this company and we know what they do.  This is not happening!

Originally posted by Souldrainer

If TSW is ever considered the game of the year by any credible source, I will eat my keyboard.  We know this company and we know what they do.  This is not happening!

And because we know this company for games like Dreamfall, The Longest Journey, AO and AoC, we know they do great games. The last two in this list had damn bad launches, but were and still are amazing games. Also there was a big improvement from AO's launch to AoC and if they keep this rate of improving the launch experience, TSW will be great from day 1.

Originally posted by TheSedated

Originally posted by Souldrainer

If TSW is ever considered the game of the year by any credible source, I will eat my keyboard.  We know this company and we know what they do.  This is not happening!

And because we know this company for games like Dreamfall, The Longest Journey, AO and AoC, we know they do great games. The last two in this list had damn bad launches, but were and still are amazing games. Also there was a big improvement from AO's launch to AoC and if they keep this rate of improving the launch experience, TSW will be great from day 1.

The launch polish of TSW will be compared to RIFT's launch. It's that good.

Originally posted by Unlight

Bold indeed.

Wonder--did FC nearly exhaust the promotion budget with AoC?  Surely the pool of liquid expendable has recovered by now?

We know money *ahem* sometimes motivates the decisions of sites like this one, for instance.  Last year's example...

This thread may be less a rah rah for TSW, than it is a test of raw cynicism.

Originally posted by TheSedated

Originally posted by Souldrainer

If TSW is ever considered the game of the year by any credible source, I will eat my keyboard.  We know this company and we know what they do.  This is not happening!

And because we know this company for games like Dreamfall, The Longest Journey, AO and AoC, we know they do great games. The last two in this list had damn bad launches, but were and still are amazing games. Also there was a big improvement from AO's launch to AoC and if they keep this rate of improving the launch experience, TSW will be great from day 1.

What is great about AoC?  The fact that you have to purchase content twice, or the fact that it still has more bugs than any other MMO out?

Funcom, in my opinion, has yet to release a game I'd rank above 3/10.  Dreamfall was a solid 3.  AoC and AO were both 2/10 IMO.  I gave all 3 of those games multiple chances.  AoC I played to level 50, and it was time I wish I had back.  Their games have terrible, slow pacing.  They are lacking in dynamic content.  They are filled with bugs and do not innovate at all.

TSW?  I woudln't buy it with your wallet. 

People who think AoC was/is great are definitely drinking the Kool-Aide if you know what I mean.

All you have to do is ask yourself, "who makes this game?" the answer: Funcom

From that information you know this game will not get the support it needs and inevitably fail. But who cares, $50 is worth a couple months of a good time.

funcom is boasting 1.3 million willing testers

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/12/the-secret-world-nets-1-3-million-beta-testers/

hopefully many of them will get a chance to play in next beta

Oh yeah, and EA is also involved with this game...so Funcom + EA = Mega Failure. All you people who have played games long enough know this is true.

Originally posted by Nadia

funcom is boasting 1.3 million willing testers

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/12/the-secret-world-nets-1-3-million-beta-testers/

 

hopefully many of them will get a chance to play in next beta

 

I wonder if this is close, open or both?

Originally posted by ZigZags

People who think AoC was/is great are definitely drinking the Kool-Aide if you know what I mean.

 

All you have to do is ask yourself, "who makes this game?" the answer: Funcom

 

From that information you know this game will not get the support it needs and inevitably fail. But who cares, $50 is worth a couple months of a good time.

I think that AoC was/is great and no, definitely not drinking the Kool-Aide here, but I do suspect that some chronic haters of FC/AoC maybe have been sipping the stuff from time to time, or are simply stuck in the past that they are incapable of letting go.

AoC was launched prematurely with way too many bugs, but it had some great stuff: the melee combat I still consider one of the most captivating, the world and atmosphere managed to capture the low fantasy setting of Robert Howard's Hyboria pretty good, and overall the leveling experience was one of the more enjoyable ones, plus I liked the guild cities and keep sieges very much. Besides, after the first year I hardly encountered any bugs that destroyed my gameplay fun like they did the first months after launch. All in all AoC was one of the better MMO experiences I've had in the past 10 years.

But hey, to each their own I guess. Me, I had a great time in AoC, if someone else didn't, well, hopefully another MMO did it for him/her.

 

But hey, to each their own I guess. Me, I had a great time in AoC, if someone else didn't, well, hopefully another MMO did it for him/her.

Most people didn't. That's why it went F2P and wont be releasing anymore content. It failed whether you liked it or not. I liked it at first too, until I experienced the empty player cities and lack of siege as promised.

The MMO market doesn't tolerate false advertising anymore. Its been proven. Which is why I dont understand why games like this are even created anymore.......

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Nadia

funcom is boasting 1.3 million willing testers

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/12/the-secret-world-nets-1-3-million-beta-testers/

hopefully many of them will get a chance to play in next beta

I wonder if this is close, open or both?

its any tester whos ever registered

http://www.funcom.com/news/go_to_hell_in_the_secret_world_beta_weekend_starting_june_15

 over 1.3 million gamers are now registered as potential beta testers for ‘The Secret World’, shattering all previous company records including that of its previous MMO ‘Age of Conan’.

Originally posted by ZigZags

The MMO market doesn't tolerate false advertising anymore. Its been proven.

Burden of evidence applies, of course.