Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Vannor

Has nobody even bothered the read the official 1.0.3 patch preview?

The item finding problem will be sorted for endgame along with plenty other changes. What's the point in complaining about it when blizzard have already said they are going to change it?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/blog/5055288/Patch_103_Design_Preview-06_06_2012#blog

The game easily deserves this score, especially once that patch lands. Many people, like myself, have put over 200 hours into the game and arn't even a little bit bored with it. I'd go 9.0 if there was some kind of randomized free roam maps added to the endgame... hopefully in the future.

You don't fucking review a game on what they may or may not have in a future patch that may or may not fix an issue. Are you serious? No way in hell, heaven, or Maghda's panties does this this game deserve a 9.0.

Did I say anywhere that it should be reviewed based on a future patch? or that i'd give it a 9 in it's current state?

8.5/10.....que the hate.

Originally posted by Vannor

 

 Then what is your point since you're balking about people complaining when it relates to the review or items mentioned in the review?

Originally posted by Vannor

Has nobody even bothered the read the official 1.0.3 patch preview?

The item finding problem will be sorted for endgame along with plenty other changes. What's the point in complaining about it when blizzard have already said they are going to change it?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/blog/5055288/Patch_103_Design_Preview-06_06_2012#blog

 

The game easily deserves this score, especially once that patch lands. Many people, like myself, have put over 200 hours into the game and arn't even a little bit bored with it. I'd go 9.0 if there was some kind of randomized free roam maps added to the endgame... hopefully in the future.

So it's ok that the dynamic of finding loot is completely pointless for the rest of the game?  Lets face it, there is a direct conflict between the players' desire to have finding loot being a meaningful exercise and Blizzard's desire for people to use the AH and unless Blizzard is going to offer offline play with altered loot drop table those conflicting desires are opposed and will be resolved in Blizzard's favor.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

My thought on the game, it does not stack up to Diablo II.   The loot system is the main problem IMO.  I like to play the game with what I find.  Never bought from the auction house, not that I could afford to anyways, but I find that other players are critical of my characters strengths as I almost always have inferior equipment.   The great thing about Diablo II, you there was elite equipment and items sets for every level.  The only place you find them in Diablo III is late hell or inferno.

Played with a wizard the other day in nightmare he was basically soloing while 3 others of us were in the game.  After inspecting him I noticed his damage was twice what mine was and I have 8 characters at nightmare level and never found anything close to what he had.  Take a wizard for example, he does not benefit from equiping wizard items like a wand, he just has to equip the highest dps item he can equip.

All in all, I give the game a 6 at best and I do not in any way think it has the long term viability that Diablo II had.

 

That really makes me start to wonder if Blizzard isn't actually posting gear on the RMAH themselves now.  I thought that was a bit paranoid when I first heard the comment surface, but now, hearing about how abysmal the itemization and loot drops are, it really makes me wonder if they've gone a step further in funneling people to the RMAH by actually stocking it themselves in some cases.  It sounds like you need to be very lucky to find the gear you need to unlock later difficulty levels.  If the drops are really as rare is it sounds, how can supply meet the overwhelming demand without a little "help" from Blizzard.

D1 and D2 were addictive as hell because it was a giant goodie-hunt.  But with those games, you could play for a few hours and actually be rewarded.  If in D3, you are playing for weeks without getting that 'kid on Christmas morning feeling', Blizzard either dropped the ball big time, or they are screwing their players over. 

Not surprised really since I expected the RMAH to lead to something like this from the start.  I'm gratified to see how many fanbois there are out there who have convinced themselves that it was such a great idea.  Hey, if you have anymore of that peyote, do share.  It's strong as a muthaf*cker and we can all lose touch with reality together.

Originally posted by Vannor

Has nobody even bothered the read the official 1.0.3 patch preview?

The item finding problem will be sorted for endgame along with plenty other changes. What's the point in complaining about it when blizzard have already said they are going to change it?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/blog/5055288/Patch_103_Design_Preview-06_06_2012#blog

 

The game easily deserves this score, especially once that patch lands. Many people, like myself, have put over 200 hours into the game and arn't even a little bit bored with it. I'd go 9.0 if there was some kind of randomized free roam maps added to the endgame... hopefully in the future.

Yeah, so more crappy loot will drop, so what? The issue is the loot table/system is fubar regardless of quantity.

When you have Wizards running around with battle axes because DPS is all that matters, that's a problem. Dropping more garbage doesn't increase replay value, it increases the size of garbage piles.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Vannor
 

Then what is your point since you're balking about people complaining when it relates to the review or items mentioned in the review?

My point is that Blizzard have already listened, it's getting changed. They might mess it up even more though, who knows. What do people hope to accomplish beyond that at this point? 

I've no problem with people disagreeing with the 8.5 but I think the game deserves it personally. I've got a lot of fun out of it. Rating this game on level 1-30 is a bit wierd though, I agree with that.

The game is broken. It had people that I feel didn't understand balance when they say they could not add effects to types of damage because that is what people went for then. The story is a one shot for me. They say they want it storydriven and might put in an auto-skip feature in future. 

I hope the game gets better as time and expansion pack(s) go but at the moment it is more about just farming. I am staying away from the AH and seem to not really care about moving fast. I hate going through Act 1. Enjoy Act 2. Act 3 is interesting. Act 4 is blah. Just be glad to see things change though not sure if their goals with 1.03 is going to be worth it. Seems like a carebear game overall. 

Not saying a bad game but having to deal with the story so much for a game that requires so much farming of gear and that was their plan makes it a blah game to me. I don't understand their goals and if I had played the game before release then would not have bought it.

Pretty fair review.  An 8.5 is NOT a very good score for a game of Diablo III's calibur, so I feel like the score reflects the disappointment many of us had with the game.

The only things I disagree with are the longevity (9/10) and value (10/10) scores.

Longevity wise, I think I played D3 for like 2-3 weeks and then I was done.  I really have no desire to do Hell or Inferno because I understand that it's all about grinding cash until you can get good enough gear to win, or cheesing your way through.  This really isn't appealing to me.  Contrast this to the months that I played D1 and D2 for...

Value wise...you have to consider that this game has a very premium price ($60).  Compare this with Torchlight that was like $20.  I really feel like I got a lot more value out of Torchlight than I got out of D3.  I played the game longer (maybe 3-4 weeks), and I fiddled around with mods for like 2-3 weeks alone.  And this is from a game that is a third of the price.

So I mean, I don't see how you can justify D3's $60 price tag WITH the RMAH to be a 10/10 value when you have games like Torchlight ($20) and PoE (FTP) out there.  D3 has a good value sure, but it's only like 8/10 at best.

Originally posted by Creslin321

The only things I disagree with are the longevity (9/10) and value (10/10) scores.

 

 Those two portions are so over inflated it is almost comical.

diablo 2 was great. but diablo 3 is no contender in my book. i would have got it except that i was told single player is olso online. i remember playing wow and how many times the servers went down for maintenance. so when they do go gone, people dont complain. 

i will not give blizzard even a penny.  

To the person who doubted the best selling computer game ever thing....find me any other computer game that sold 3.5 million in the first 24 hours and 6.3 million in the first week.  It took The Sims 5 years and 7 expansion packs to reach 16 million units SHIPPED (not sold).

How you can give D3 such high scores for social, value and longevity is beyond me since those are areas where the game  clearly lacks alot imo. Battlenet 2.0 is a step backwards compared to the original Battlenet in terms of social features, the chat system is lackluster and you can't create and name your own games.

As for longevity I'd say they sacrificed alot of longevity in favour of accessibility for new players and money grabbing, with many design decisions. Skill runes instead of skill tree aswell as free respecc are two obvious examples where longevity was sacrificed. RMAH ruins longevity for alot of people. What's the point in spending all that time searching for awesome gear when the guy next to you just swipes his credit card and gets it instantly and there's no way to tell you had to spend hundreds of hours to acquire your gear?





Taking into account you have to be online to play single player and how much downtime and lag there's been so far I don't see how you can give it 8.5, I'm disappointed but not surprised since I saw a big D3 ad around here.

I wouldn't have expected a review that high, but I didn't play the game.  What I'm still in the dark about is why a co op action RPG is getting a review on an MMORPG site at all.  I guess popularity rules.

Innovation: 7 of 10?

All the other scores seems fine but come on, what does a game have to do to get a 1 in your book?

3 of 10 would be more fair. If you want a innovative game this might not be the game you are looking fo, and it never was the point either.

A 10/10 on value implies that nothing else comparable is a better value for money spent.

Torchlight 2 is $20, $15 if you split a 4 pack.

Does not compute.

When will people learn that this is a person reviewing what they think of a game.  Whether you agree or disagree, it isn't wrong or right, it's an opinion.

Couldn't agree more with this, especially the difficulty bit.

Although I really think bliz hit the jackpot with the RMAH idea as it will keep the game going for YEARS to come.

Great review!

As of right now the longevity of Diablo 3 is a 5/10, i'm assuming you've honestly not tried farming for gear yet.

Game crawls to a boring halt once you get 60 and expect to get loot every few runs, doesn't happen. 100+ hours and nothing to show for it yet, but hey maybe 1.0.3 will fix it.