To the thread in general : I support many of my friends who have unsub (for now) and stated they might try later when what they want (PvP fixes and other mentioned issues) are addressed. I understand their position. They understand I am a PvE leveler and thus for me it delivers great. Yes, it also impacts me the low population and difficulty making a group for anything.

BUT, as long as I see that they are aware of the issue and working on it I still have hope for it and, at least, can see that it provides good fun for some people out there. So even if I left to go play GW2 I wouldn't hate it, I would just be dissapointed and a bit sad.

In a world were we have less games to play on PCs and everything goes to consoles and now your phone, I am glad to see titles still come out for my favorite platform and hope for every one of them to be a big success. I never subscribed to WoW, I played the free trial and it was ok, but don't hate it and wish the very best to all the people who enjoy playing it. For every genre, big or small, there is at least one fan out there. And I don't hope for the dissappearnce of any of them, even if I don't like/play them.

Many are not a pure MMO? Oh well. Whats pure? Most of my dogs are muts and I love them the same.

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

I don't even need to read the article to know how this thread will end up.

You are so right!

I remember SWTOR for being more repetative than WoW ever knew how to be.

I remember the 4 weak NPCs, then 1 strong + 1 weak  - repeat continuously with 1 more powerful NPC at the end.

Horribly repetative.

It’s Star Wars!

Not a reason to keep playing. It's a reason to be interested in playing of the game were any good, but not a reason to bore yourself to death, not in the least.

Free Transfers & Permanent Free Trials are Coming!

They're not here now, so no reason to even think about it yet.

PvP is Fun*

:/

Really?

Playing With Others

If there's one thing TOR isn't good at, it's at having you play with others.

Expanding Your Legacy

FFS Why? Rerolling to experience mostly the same thing? Yawn! I think I'll pass on this one too.

None of these reasons are real reason to keep on playing. To me there aren't any at all at this point.

It’s Star Wars!

Sorry but all the Star Wars games have pretty much killed the franchise for me. Even SWG wasn't that good of a game.

Free Transfers & Permanent Free Trials are Coming!

This has no bearing on if I will play a game or not.

PvP is Fun*

PvP in SWTOR fun? I missed that memo.

Playing With Others

SWTOR zones where so under populated that is didn't even meet the definition of a MMO.

Expanding Your Legacy

Didn't care about Legacy when the game launched and still wouldn't. Thought it was a bad idea for a MMO.

"It’s Star Wars!"

stopped reading here

Reason 1 - Because its Star Wars!, for me its not, its a generic sci-fi game with a few SW elements, i dont get the SW feeling from it and leaves me as hollow as the prequal trilogy did - i grew up during the originals and the books after so maybe its my predjudice coming out, i left after that hollow feeling continued day after day

Nope.

BioWare deserves to fail, they spent far too much on a crappy game.

Originally posted by Praetalus

Originally posted by Mephster

Sorry but the majority has already spoken and still are. Playing and supporting bad games is only hurting the mmo genre.

This is a ridicous statement and in my opinion is what is ruining the mmo genre. What you're bascially saying is, " I don't like it and you supporting it is hurting ME". It is absolutely insane to tell someone not to play something they like playing for ANY reason. If they're enjoying it, they should play it. The "bad games" as you have deemed them are still enjoyed by others, even though you may not like them. There are still people playing Eq1 for shits sake... is that hurting you?

 

I have moved on from Star Wars, but may return in the future. Saying that people supporting the game is hurting the MMO community is nonsense. There's room for everyone to play what they like. 

It divides players, and becomes a hurdle for when a new game comes out worth playing. For example, the vast majority of World of Warcraft players, play WoW because it's the facebook of MMO's. It's where your freinds are, it's where you know everyone buy real names and can keep up with people. For this reason it works and has a large population and probably always will.

TOR on the other hand has a very depleted population (I quit 2 weeks after turning 50 and I was server first marauder on Tertatek) and does nothing but break up the population of players who might have played say Guild Wars 2, but they have too much invested in a newly (and lets be honest) flopped game that noone plays anymore (loose term).

When you have invested years in something like World of Warcraft, you don't mind so much when it's time to move on because your initial cost plus the subs gave you great times for years. When you have invested 60+ dollars and subs into a game that didnt hold a peak for more than 4 months, your more invested (monitariy) and will hold on to the dying breath hoping you didn't just waste your money. That 60+ dollars and the 4+ months of subs has now cost you more than the enjoyment that you have recieved. 

This is a lot like buying a Jet ski, the average cost for a Yamaha VX Sport (MSRP) is 9,000.00 USD this ends up beaing closer to 14,000.00 USD with trailer, taxes, title fee's etc. The summer where I live is considered from April to mid October sometimes November (rarely Nov.) So thats 7 months of  riding time if you ride it once a month (most don't). Okay now its Late November and your ski is winterized and completely useless, but your still paying the 300-400 USD. a month payment for the next 5 months until you can poull the cover off and ride it agian.

The point is that the money spent isn't worth the fun had to most.

Same with gamers. Most gamers get discouraged when paying 60+ dollars a game and subs monthly, just to find that the game they are now invested in is completely bunk. This discourages gamers from trying other games, which (not proven) in my opinion is the reason that World of Warcraft is STILL the highest sub'ed game after almost a decade.

World of Warcraft is a safe choice. TOR was a good try but it is now just another one of those games that people are playing because they don;t want to feel as though they have wasted their money.

Note to game publishers: beware of viral schadenfreude.

There is no way in hell i'll reinstall this game on my pc. On a side note, the disk's make great coffee coaster's :p

I love this game, many people still love this game. I think a lot of the "bad" comes from trolls on websites like this who will make up anything they can to bash a game. I've seen it happen to every MMO over the last 2 years. What BioWare has done with SW:TOR has pushed the genre forward in many ways, whether people want to admit it or not. The second SW:TOR was announced and what BioWare's intentions were with the game, it influenced almost every other MMO out there to put extra focus on things that had been severely lacking in this genre, such as story and personalized progression experiences in these games.

One of their biggest mistakes was opening too many servers, when you do that then your population gets discouraged as it receeds due to the community being so spread out. the Mega-Servers will fix that and let's be honest this is the route they should have taken at launch, and ANY new MMO should take this approach.

The quality SW:TOR delivers for an MMO is really unrivaled, and MMO players are really, really, really, really, really, REALLY harsh critics. All it takes is a handful of trolls, and then suddenly you have an endless pool of game bashing and trolling going on in each community.

PvP is Fun*

lol'd at the *

There is nothing that anyone could do that would get me to play SWTOR again.

The reason I left was because i felt they were paying more attention to the legacy system, imo i dont care abou the legacy system they need to focus on endgame.

After finishing my class quest I found it imposible to find any reason to keep playing this game.

Worst 5 reasons I have ever read in my life.

Bagdad Bob is that you?

Originally posted by Valentina

I love this game, many people still love this game. I think a lot of the "bad" comes from trolls on websites like this who will make up anything they can to bash a game. I've seen it happen to every MMO over the last 2 years. What BioWare has done with SW:TOR has pushed the genre forward in many ways, whether people want to admit it or not. The second SW:TOR was announced and what BioWare's intentions were with the game, it influenced almost every other MMO out there to put extra focus on things that had been severely lacking in this genre, such as story and personalized progression experiences in these games.

One of their biggest mistakes was opening too many servers, when you do that then your population gets discouraged as it receeds due to the community being so spread out. the Mega-Servers will fix that and let's be honest this is the route they should have taken at launch, and ANY new MMO should take this approach.

The quality SW:TOR delivers for an MMO is really unrivaled, and MMO players are really, really, really, really, really, REALLY harsh critics. All it takes is a handful of trolls, and then suddenly you have an endless pool of game bashing and trolling going on in each community.

MMORPG.com community is all about hate towards swtor, easy like that. In some point is like they are trying to convince themselve that they are right, when in the real world everything lead to show them how wrong they are, but they just choose to keep living in that lie. swtor is not perfect and still need a lot of work, but there is a lot of people who love and play the game, is the most successful MMO post wow, and by the end of the year we will find even a better and bigger game. The best thing to do is just quit mmorpg.com and let them keep talking about ¨how bad and fail is swtor¨. 

Try to polish that turd all you want, it's still a smelly turd.

None of these are reason enough that I would actually continue paying for TOR.

I've never been interested in PvP and, after years of MMOs, I could care less about playing with others.

Bioware doesn't know how to manage this title, period.