Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by LordPsychodi

I actually have no problem with people trash talking for the most part. a big problem comes with this - People view homophobic, racist, misgynistic verbal abuse as one in the same with this, and the way people pursue it further.

 

I think saying " Your shit's weak!, F***ing n00b, etc is fine on the passby. when it targets ones race, sexual orientation, gender is way over the line where the former may never need any kind of discipline, the worse, can't be perma banned and account deleted fast enough.

Do you have a rational reason for this or do you hold these values because you have been brainwashed to automatically ignore logic for political correctness?

Honest question. Do you have a rational reason for your stance or are you just repeating what you have been told?

(...)

 

One rational reason is that a person being new to the game can indeed affect their performance for the worse compared to someone who has played the game a long time. How is it rational to blame someone's gender/sexuality/race for something that happened in the game?

Wrong you are changing this agruement into somethign that its not. I will expound:

Here is the basis: "I think saying " Your shit's weak!, F***ing n00b, etc is fine on the passby. "

This is ok , but you reply "One rational reason is that a person being new to the game can indeed affect their performance for the worse compared to someone who has played the game a long time."

But then their intial possition would also be incorrect (by your standards) , thus you did not answer my question but a different unasked question.  Note the question is why is it ok to insult but not with gender/race included, the result is the same you have attack someones psyche. As a hyperbole- its ok to shoot me in the head with a .38 but not a .45. Sure the 45 may do more damage, but its really the same thing.

"How is it rational to blame someone's gender/sexuality/race for something that happened in the game?"

Its not, but nor is much of the blaming of fault that occurs in competitve games, no one is calling for a ban/punisment of bad players, or people who think everything is someone else's fault. 

How are we as humans rational? We're often not. Now we can find rational reasoning in why we do things, to defend our ego if the most common with this type of behavior. But there are more, such as because it fun to watch conditioned people explode at such confrontations. We as humans like to win, feel superior, etc. before you demonize that reasoning  thats the point of competitive games btw / games in general triumphing over challenge (in pvp game its over others). Sorry thats reality.

So the verbal attack to establish superiority in pvp game is not only expected, its part of the same thought process as the game itself.

Originally posted by patsfan32

Where have the articles been for the past decade? Every day people have been dealing with racist/vulgar/trollish people, but it is only a peoblem now, and article worthy now, because it attacks women. How come people scream equally yet they do not deal with situations equally?

People who say equality do not want true equality, they want a perverted seperate but equal system where they can have their own rules and regulations pertaining to their own group for each aspect of their lives. They want it fit for what they want rather than it being dealt with equally across all. Ya who cares men have dealt with this crap since the dawn of online gaming.

I guess its fine since we are men. Every man today who had nothing to do with the oppression of the past has to be punished for it and made to feel guilty like we caused it.  God i cant even count how many times I was told I was going to be raped at some point...and guess what? my feelings and anal virginity are both still intact! In closing, people do not seek to be a part of an equal group, they indeed like having their individual groups singled out when it creates regulation benefiting just them in a social situation.

A benefit that does not extend to anyone else besides themselves. This probably makes me a giant mysoginist for thinking this way but w/e i guess it cant be helped. I want true equally not seperate but equal splinter groups witht heir own sets of social rules and regulations.

I recall several articles (although not many in English) about people behaving badly over the internet. As for "not dealing with situations equally": different problems may be of different magnitude and have different partial solutions.

I don't think it is a common problem that men are being insulted based on their gender. I am far more familiar with players being insulted due to their assumed intellect, ingame choices and assumed social competence. 

There is also a difference between feeling guility and recognizing past mistakes. 

They won't stop until all men are psychologically castrated and fueled by self-loathing.

The straight, virile, Western White male has been targeted for elimination.

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by LordPsychodi

I actually have no problem with people trash talking for the most part. a big problem comes with this - People view homophobic, racist, misgynistic verbal abuse as one in the same with this, and the way people pursue it further.

 

I think saying " Your shit's weak!, F***ing n00b, etc is fine on the passby. when it targets ones race, sexual orientation, gender is way over the line where the former may never need any kind of discipline, the worse, can't be perma banned and account deleted fast enough.

Do you have a rational reason for this or do you hold these values because you have been brainwashed to automatically ignore logic for political correctness?

Honest question. Do you have a rational reason for your stance or are you just repeating what you have been told?

(...)

 

One rational reason is that a person being new to the game can indeed affect their performance for the worse compared to someone who has played the game a long time. How is it rational to blame someone's gender/sexuality/race for something that happened in the game?

Wrong you are changing this agruement into somethign that its not. I will expound:

Here is the basis: "I think saying " Your shit's weak!, F***ing n00b, etc is fine on the passby. "

This is ok , but you reply "One rational reason is that a person being new to the game can indeed affect their performance for the worse compared to someone who has played the game a long time."

But then their intial possition would also be incorrect (by your standards) , thus you did not answer my question but a different unasked question.  Note the question is why is it ok to insult but not with gender/race included, the result is the same you have attack someones psyche. As a hyperbole- its ok to shoot me in the head with a .38 but not a .45. Sure the 45 may do more damage, but its really the same thing.

"How is it rational to blame someone's gender/sexuality/race for something that happened in the game?"

Its not, but nor is much of the blaming of fault that occurs in competitve games, no one is calling for a ban/punisment of bad players, or people who think everything is someone else's fault. 

How are we as humans rational? We're often not. Now we can find rational reasoning in why we do things, to defend our ego if the most common with this type of behavior. But there are more, such as because it fun to watch conditioned people explode at such confrontations. We as humans like to win, feel superior, etc. before you demonize that reasoning  thats the point of competitive games btw / games in general triumphing over challenge (in pvp game its over others). Sorry thats reality.

So the verbal attack to establish superiority in pvp game is not only expected, its part of the same thought process as the game itself.

There are different degrees of insults. I explained why one kind of insult can be considered to be worse than another one. 

The verbal attack is an immature way to try to establish superiority regardless of its content. 

I think that codes of conduct that mirror reality are not only needed, but should be expected if the internet is going to continue to exist in any shade of its present format.  The only question is this: will we, or the companies we work spend our money with, enforce this?  Or will a governing body be forced to step in?

The argument is simple, really, at least as I see it.

1. It is illegal to create a contract for murder in the real world.  It is illegal to create a contract for murder online.

2. It is illegal to possess underage pornography in the real world.  It is illegal to possess underage pornography online.

3. It is illegal to provide material support for designated terrorist groups in the real world.  It is illegal to provide material support for designated terrorist groups online.

4. It is illegal to steal copyrighted works in the real world.  It is illegal to steal copyrighted works online.

5. It is civilly liable to post libelous remarks in the real world.  It is civilly liable to post libelous remarks online.

6. It is illegal to intimidate in the real world.  But online, you should just leave and ignore it, because surely they mean nothing by it?!?  That's just how people are?  Boys will be boys?  If these very same remarks were sent to a governing official, would they laugh them off?  'Grow a thick skin'?  I'd wager the answer to that would be a loud 'no', followed by the resounding click of a jail cell.

Originally posted by MMOarQQ

They won't stop until all men are psychologically castrated and fueled by self-loathing.

The straight, virile, Western White male has been targeted for elimination.

Do you really believe that?

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by ChemicalHope

LOL ... I love how these "women" gamers ... though I am one myself;;  get offended by those words ... I honestly don't understand them... You play a video game because its fun, but yet you choose to interact with the people playing that same game and get offended when they start to tease and make fun of you... Like, isn't that what video games make you do? Don't they make you competitive ... ? People just need to suck it up. 

If you disregard all world history and how women have been oppressed and seen as "less worth" in many cultures for centuries (even several today), then yeah, it is all fine.

It is usually not okay to attack one's gender and sexuality. Keep in mind that when people say "fag", they don't necessarely mean anything sexual whatsoever, they may just think you are a moron/idiot (See South Park episode about the word "fag").

Where is your outrage over killing things.. i mean come on if you "disregard all world history and how xenoistic peoples have been oppressed and seen as "less worth" in many cultures for centuries (even several today), then yeah, it is all fine."

Don't kill those goblins they are just different, deamons.. misunderstood... etc. there is a limit to the lack of intelectual thought/honesty ... you have crossed it (most lieklt not purposfully).

For the very reason that WOMEN TODAY ARE EQUAL TO MEN, THAT WE MAY PROD AT THEIR GENDER AS WE WOULD AT MALES'

In otherwords you just showed your indoctination, that you have accepted at face value, "females were opressed so we have to treat them differently" is rather the same thought / degration of the value of a human as "females are weaker/fairer so we have to treat them differently". In both cases your just sexist, bias person doing what society tells you to.  Stop repeating everything you have been told and think about it.

If females = males then there is no reason to NOT allow gender based jokes as it would be equal both males and females can make fun of themselves and others... unless they are not equal as humans then you may want to provide the lesser of the sexes some extra protection (which seems you feel females are, well your agrument indicates this).

The only excpetion here is if you say well there is a history of it so ... because there is a history of people being sexist we should continue to be sexist and and treat those sexes differently? Opps darn reality getting in the way again...

See if you HONESTLY want to treat someone as your equal you have to start with TREATING THEM AS YOUR EQUAL; not treating them as if their are too weak, too naive, too DUMB to handle what you handle and dish out.

Darn this logic and reality always getting in the way of logical fallacies.

What do you mean with "xenoistic"?

 of a foreign / different nature

Furthermore, it is usually not ok to insult someone due to their gender, regardless of what that gender may be, that includes males being insulted due to being males.

 Why ? make fun of someones gender, why is it any worse that insulting them for being bad (when they aren't) or for not helping you (when your wrong) or for being short, or talkign funny, or eat wierd foods, or for being socially inept, or etcetc. Sorry but insulting someone for being male is actually less worse than for being actually bad or actually eating "wierd foods" (though one can argue all of this is bad, i argue maybe but its without any actual harm). Actually making fun of someone for something that is logical and real is worse yet you argue the opposed. If i am a bad player and people make fun of it for me it rings true, if someone says you bad cuz u girl ahah girls bad, that is not that realistic attack on your psyche. or hey suger T***s show me xxxx email xxxx w/e xxxc also easy to ignore they are just stupid. But a well forumed arguement on why say you are wrong and are inadequtly using the organ behind your eyes is not so easy to shake off/defend when correct. In this way your arguement is a logical fallacy, as the opposite is true.

If males were the ones oppressed throughout history and still being oppressed in certain parts of the world, I would also in that case be more cautious about different systems and norms from the past. 

 Just like they were in the past listen, in 1700's europe they new that women had been treated poorly in the 1600s often made to postrate themselves , without fine representation or freedoms, so the men took it apone themselves to GIVE those thing to women.. through themselves of course. After all couldn't force women to handle look at what they had been through. Thus they were knights of womens rights... well not really (but thats what they thought). Just like thats what you think.  There is equal treatment and then there is unequal treatment... you can only pick one, and you have repeatedly picked the later .. for shame.

I try to treat men and women as equally worth, that's why I avoid doing any jokes and/or insult someone based on their gender. 

That doesn't make them equal, that ignores the issue altogether.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by patsfan32

Where have the articles been for the past decade? Every day people have been dealing with racist/vulgar/trollish people, but it is only a peoblem now, and article worthy now, because it attacks women. How come people scream equally yet they do not deal with situations equally?

People who say equality do not want true equality, they want a perverted seperate but equal system where they can have their own rules and regulations pertaining to their own group for each aspect of their lives. They want it fit for what they want rather than it being dealt with equally across all. Ya who cares men have dealt with this crap since the dawn of online gaming.

I guess its fine since we are men. Every man today who had nothing to do with the oppression of the past has to be punished for it and made to feel guilty like we caused it.  God i cant even count how many times I was told I was going to be raped at some point...and guess what? my feelings and anal virginity are both still intact! In closing, people do not seek to be a part of an equal group, they indeed like having their individual groups singled out when it creates regulation benefiting just them in a social situation.

A benefit that does not extend to anyone else besides themselves. This probably makes me a giant mysoginist for thinking this way but w/e i guess it cant be helped. I want true equally not seperate but equal splinter groups witht heir own sets of social rules and regulations.

 

"""" I recall several articles (although not many in English) about people behaving badly over the internet. As for "not dealing with situations equally": different problems may be of different magnitude and have different partial solutions.

 

I don't think it is a common problem that men are being insulted based on their gender. I am far more familiar with players being insulted due to their assumed intellect, ingame choices and assumed social competence. 

 

There is also a difference between feeling guility and recognizing past mistakes. """"""

 

 

 

 

None of that is relevant to what I was trying to say. A lot of men like being men, being called girls or pussys may be insulting to women, but is it not also an insinuation of lack of masculinity of the male? is this not an attack ont he males sense of his own masculinity? Is this not a gender specific attack? Just because your thought is in a straight line does not mean thats how the world works.

Just because a word can isult a female does not mean it is not equally offensive, though in a different way to a male. Yet for the most part males largely ignore this, the rally to arms only occurs when these attacks are done against another group of people. A group who wants to be equal in all regards, yet insists on special treatment.

Here is equality for you, continue bringing this up in your own way, you have every right to as an equal member of a democracy. Just know that you are the minority, as the majority could care less. It is largely ignored because it honestly bares little relevance in a persona every day life. A few extreme cases have led to extreme consequences, however to most these online trolls are harmless.

Your equality is assured as you have your rights to protest, just know that the majority moves the wheel, and since we all deal with the same problem the majority has chosen to deal with it in the way that is most logical. Censorship can never happen for your own needs because it starts a domino effect to censor everything.

So being told to thicken your skin may be misogynist, but it is the best damn advice you are going to get because i will be damned If ten years from now we are mindless censored drones, because every individual is insulted by some different thing, so the only way to equal us all is to censor everything and mind numb us in pseudo-moral political correctness.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by LordPsychodi

I actually have no problem with people trash talking for the most part. a big problem comes with this - People view homophobic, racist, misgynistic verbal abuse as one in the same with this, and the way people pursue it further.

 

I think saying " Your shit's weak!, F***ing n00b, etc is fine on the passby. when it targets ones race, sexual orientation, gender is way over the line where the former may never need any kind of discipline, the worse, can't be perma banned and account deleted fast enough.

Do you have a rational reason for this or do you hold these values because you have been brainwashed to automatically ignore logic for political correctness?

Honest question. Do you have a rational reason for your stance or are you just repeating what you have been told?

(...)

 

One rational reason is that a person being new to the game can indeed affect their performance for the worse compared to someone who has played the game a long time. How is it rational to blame someone's gender/sexuality/race for something that happened in the game?

...

 

There are different degrees of insults. I explained why one kind of insult can be considered to be worse than another one. 

Yet you made no such arguement, "How is it rational to blame someone's gender/sexuality/race for something that happened in the game?" you did not indicate how this in anyway is worse than another type of insult. I believe you feel like you made that agruemnt based on the fact that you have heard that this type of action is "just wrong" and "totaly unacceptable" but placing labels on issue doesn't make them correct.

The verbal attack is an immature way to try to establish superiority regardless of its content. 

I said this very same thing yet you reply to me with aggrement on this issue, the only issue we run into is thats the very point of competitve games, but they are some how ok? (Less personal, ok but that is my point people need to learn social skills to understand that much of life is not personal. This issue arises because a person's EGO ruling them, that is never a good thing).

As a male gamer I have been called certain names and my sexuality speculated on by players who do not even know me, because of the character I was playing. Or because I had kicked their arse in combat.

As someone who realy doesn't care what other people say  I just wind them up even more till they rage quit. Its very easy.

Online gaming has a lot of name calling no matter if your a man or woman.

I think its great more women are playing games online and in MMO's its refreshing to hear them on voice comms.

but shouldn't they get shorter leads to the controler so they have to stay in the kitchen? 

If a person is not mature enough to defend themself from attacks they are probably not mature enough for the games they are playing.  One of my favorite YouTube 'stars' is "GirlGoneGamer" who plays on the common sexism in CoD by starting every video by cooking some food (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQFWs4HrRKU).

Imagine a white person going to the hood.  I presume a white person traveling to the hood would get made fun of how small, skinny and white he is.  This white kid has the choice of NOT GOING TO THE HOOD.

The same is true with video games.  If you do not want to deal with racism, sexism, or any of that stuff then don't play the games that draw on it heavily (League of Legends/Call of Duty).

It's like when you are watching the old movie Huckleberry Finn and his friend's name is Nigger Jim.  If you find the fact that the locals refer to him Nigger Jim you can just not watch the movie.  The liberalism of language in the 70s did nothing but enhance racist slang.

If you are upset by people calling you names just play games that have a G rating.  Problem solved.

(...)

Furthermore, it is usually not ok to insult someone due to their gender, regardless of what that gender may be, that includes males being insulted due to being males.

 Why ? make fun of someones gender, why is it any worse that insulting them for being bad (when they aren't) or for not helping you (when your wrong) or for being short, or talkign funny, or eat wierd foods, or for being socially inept, or etcetc. Sorry but insulting someone for being male is actually less worse than for being actually bad or actually eating "wierd foods" (though one can argue all of this is bad, i argue maybe but its without any actual harm). Actually making fun of someone for something that is logical and real is worse yet you argue the opposed. If i am a bad player and people make fun of it for me it rings true, if someone says you bad cuz u girl ahah girls bad, that is not that realistic attack on your psyche. or hey suger T***s show me xxxx email xxxx w/e xxxc also easy to ignore they are just stupid. But a well forumed arguement on why say you are wrong and are inadequtly using the organ behind your eyes is not so easy to shake off/defend when correct. In this way your arguement is a logical fallacy, as the opposite is true.

If males were the ones oppressed throughout history and still being oppressed in certain parts of the world, I would also in that case be more cautious about different systems and norms from the past. 

 Just like they were in the past listen, in 1700's europe they new that women had been treated poorly in the 1600s often made to postrate themselves , without fine representation or freedoms, so the men took it apone themselves to GIVE those thing to women.. through themselves of course. After all couldn't force women to handle look at what they had been through. Thus they were knights of womens rights... well not really (but thats what they thought). Just like thats what you think.  There is equal treatment and then there is unequal treatment... you can only pick one, and you have repeatedly picked the later .. for shame.

I try to treat men and women as equally worth, that's why I avoid doing any jokes and/or insult someone based on their gender. 

That doesn't make them equal, that ignores the issue altogether.

 

It can be argued that in a given situation, it is worse to insult someone based on something that is likely irrelevant to the situation than something that may be relevant. Using that reasoning, if person A thinks person B did a very bad move which he thinks is due to B being new to the game, then using "noob" to insult player B is better than to use " fat whore". Neither "fat" or "whore" can directly explain why the "bad" move was done,  but being new to the game can. 

Neither being short, socially inept, talking funny or eating weird foods would directly explain why the "bad" move was done, so they would all be worse than calling someone a "noob". 

I do see that the effect of an insult which is very much tied to  the actual scenario may have a larger impact on the person. The impact does not necessarely need to be completely negative though.

As for your last paragraph: can't really do a statement about the situation in the 18th century, I would have to read more about that subject. 

As for equal and unequal treatment: men and women are biologically equal in many aspects, but not equal in several aspects as well. How we treat them should reflect that. This is why we seperate women and men in athletic competitions, but we strive to give them equal salary for a certain work done. 

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Originally posted by Jetrpg
For the very reason that WOMEN TODAY ARE EQUAL TO MEN, THAT WE MAY PROD AT THEIR GENDER AS WE WOULD AT MALES'

In otherwords you just showed your indoctination, that you have accepted at face value, "females were opressed so we have to treat them differently" is rather the same thought / degration of the value of a human as "females are weaker/fairer so we have to treat them differently". In both cases your just sexist, bias person doing what society tells you to.  Stop repeating everything you have been told and think about it.

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Very much this. The idea that you have to treat me differently because I am a woman IS sexist, and it follows a subtext that I am weak and incapable of defending myself or that I am not strong enough to take it. The special treatment is what would be misogyny, NOT name-calling or harassment. Literally everyone gets harassed in online games. It is stories like this one that cause sexism to persist. It is people that feel they have to be PC that cause any -ism to persist. Walking on eggshells is what perpetuates the idea that I am weak just because I am a woman. When you do this, you are subconsciously (I hope not deliberately) treating me differently because you think I am weaker. Giving anyone special treatment just because of race/sex/orientation/religion is what accentuates the differences between us and makes us think we are not equal.

This might make me angrier than any other gaming issue.

Originally posted by troublmaker

If a person is not mature enough to defend themself from attacks they are probably not mature enough for the games they are playing.  One of my favorite YouTube 'stars' is "GirlGoneGamer" who plays on the common sexism in CoD by starting every video by cooking some food (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQFWs4HrRKU).

Imagine a white person going to the hood.  I presume a white person traveling to the hood would get made fun of how small, skinny and white he is.  This white kid has the choice of NOT GOING TO THE HOOD.

The same is true with video games.  If you do not want to deal with racism, sexism, or any of that stuff then don't play the games that draw on it heavily (League of Legends/Call of Duty).

It's like when you are watching the old movie Huckleberry Finn and his friend's name is Nigger Jim.  If you find the fact that the locals refer to him Nigger Jim you can just not watch the movie.  The liberalism of language in the 70s did nothing but enhance racist slang.

If you are upset by people calling you names just play games that have a G rating.  Problem solved.

but now take a black kid and throw him in to a white neighborhood where he is made fun of. Now all of a sudden these white kids are labeled racist and expelled from school. (You see this often in the news) This is what this so called "equality" everybody wants get us. It is nothing but a sack of double standards and special rules that these groups dont give a crap about because they favor their own group.

Nobody wants to be equal, they simply want to be the group in power. You will never see a black kid labeled a racist for making fun of a white kid. Until I do see this there will never be equality. Until every single person is held to the same set of laws we will never be equal.

As it is right now it is like we have a book of laws, yet it is seperated in to different appendices according to group of people, in which the main law is used as merely a guide and each group has its own string of laws, regulations and social norms. People have a skewed idea of equality. 

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by LordPsychodi

I actually have no problem with people trash talking for the most part. a big problem comes with this - People view homophobic, racist, misgynistic verbal abuse as one in the same with this, and the way people pursue it further.

 

I think saying " Your shit's weak!, F***ing n00b, etc is fine on the passby. when it targets ones race, sexual orientation, gender is way over the line where the former may never need any kind of discipline, the worse, can't be perma banned and account deleted fast enough.

Do you have a rational reason for this or do you hold these values because you have been brainwashed to automatically ignore logic for political correctness?

Honest question. Do you have a rational reason for your stance or are you just repeating what you have been told?

(...)

 

One rational reason is that a person being new to the game can indeed affect their performance for the worse compared to someone who has played the game a long time. How is it rational to blame someone's gender/sexuality/race for something that happened in the game?

...

 

There are different degrees of insults. I explained why one kind of insult can be considered to be worse than another one. 

Yet you made no such arguement, "How is it rational to blame someone's gender/sexuality/race for something that happened in the game?" you did not indicate how this in anyway is worse than another type of insult. I believe you feel like you made that agruemnt based on the fact that you have heard that this type of action is "just wrong" and "totaly unacceptable" but placing labels on issue doesn't make them correct.

The verbal attack is an immature way to try to establish superiority regardless of its content. 

I said this very same thing yet you reply to me with aggrement on this issue, the only issue we run into is thats the very point of competitve games, but they are some how ok? (Less personal, ok but that is my point people need to learn social skills to understand that much of life is not personal. This issue arises because a person's EGO ruling them, that is never a good thing).

The former poster gave a conclusion, then you asked for rationalization, I gave you a rationilazation based on the axiom that an insult is worse if it is irrelevant to the situation. The axiom was implied in my previous post.

Originally posted by Dubhlaith

 

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Originally posted by Jetrpg
For the very reason that WOMEN TODAY ARE EQUAL TO MEN, THAT WE MAY PROD AT THEIR GENDER AS WE WOULD AT MALES'

 

In otherwords you just showed your indoctination, that you have accepted at face value, "females were opressed so we have to treat them differently" is rather the same thought / degration of the value of a human as "females are weaker/fairer so we have to treat them differently". In both cases your just sexist, bias person doing what society tells you to.  Stop repeating everything you have been told and think about it.

 

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Very much this. The idea that you have to treat me differently because I am a woman IS sexist, and it follows a subtext that I am weak and incapable of defending myself or that I am not strong enough to take it. The special treatment is what would be misogyny, NOT name-calling or harassment. Literally everyone gets harassed in online games. It is stories like this one that cause sexism to persist. It is people that feel they have to be PC that cause any -ism to persist. Walking on eggshells is what perpetuates the idea that I am weak just because I am a woman. When you do this, you are subconsciously (I hope not deliberately) treating me differently because you think I am weaker. Giving anyone special treatment just because of race/sex/orientation/religion is what accentuates the differences between us and makes us think we are not equal.

This might make me angrier than any other gaming issue.

god i wish there was a way to like posts, i would smash my head in to my keyboard 1000 times to give this 1000 likes. You want true equality. The moment the special treatment ends the equality begins.

Originally posted by patsfan32

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by patsfan32

Where have the articles been for the past decade? Every day people have been dealing with racist/vulgar/trollish people, but it is only a peoblem now, and article worthy now, because it attacks women. How come people scream equally yet they do not deal with situations equally?

People who say equality do not want true equality, they want a perverted seperate but equal system where they can have their own rules and regulations pertaining to their own group for each aspect of their lives. They want it fit for what they want rather than it being dealt with equally across all. Ya who cares men have dealt with this crap since the dawn of online gaming.

I guess its fine since we are men. Every man today who had nothing to do with the oppression of the past has to be punished for it and made to feel guilty like we caused it.  God i cant even count how many times I was told I was going to be raped at some point...and guess what? my feelings and anal virginity are both still intact! In closing, people do not seek to be a part of an equal group, they indeed like having their individual groups singled out when it creates regulation benefiting just them in a social situation.

A benefit that does not extend to anyone else besides themselves. This probably makes me a giant mysoginist for thinking this way but w/e i guess it cant be helped. I want true equally not seperate but equal splinter groups witht heir own sets of social rules and regulations.

 

"""" I recall several articles (although not many in English) about people behaving badly over the internet. As for "not dealing with situations equally": different problems may be of different magnitude and have different partial solutions.

 

I don't think it is a common problem that men are being insulted based on their gender. I am far more familiar with players being insulted due to their assumed intellect, ingame choices and assumed social competence. 

 

There is also a difference between feeling guility and recognizing past mistakes. """"""

None of that is relevant to what I was trying to say. A lot of men like being men, being called girls or pussys may be insulting to women, but is it not also an insinuation of lack of masculinity of the male? is this not an attack ont he males sense of his own masculinity? Is this not a gender specific attack? Just because your thought is in a straight line does not mean thats how the world works.

Just because a word can isult a female does not mean it is not equally offensive, though in a different way to a male. Yet for the most part males largely ignore this, the rally to arms only occurs when these attacks are done against another group of people. A group who wants to be equal in all regards, yet insists on special treatment.

Here is equality for you, continue bringing this up in your own way, you have every right to as an equal member of a democracy. Just know that you are the minority, as the majority could care less. It is largely ignored because it honestly bares little relevance in a persona every day life. A few extreme cases have led to extreme consequences, however to most these online trolls are harmless.

Your equality is assured as you have your rights to protest, just know that the majority moves the wheel, and since we all deal with the same problem the majority has chosen to deal with it in the way that is most logical. Censorship can never happen for your own needs because it starts a domino effect to censor everything.

So being told to thicken your skin may be misogynist, but it is the best damn advice you are going to get because i will be damned If ten years from now we are mindless censored drones, because every individual is insulted by some different thing, so the only way to equal us all is to censor everything and mind numb us in pseudo-moral political correctness.

While calling someone a male a "pussy", is a gender-specific attack, it does not attack the gender "male" in itself. It is instead refering to that the person is being a coward, which may very well be of relevance in the situation. 

Depending on which country and even which city you live in, you may or may not belong to the majority. As the internet continue to grow in influence, I believe  how we act there is becoming  more and more important for the overall population.

While thickening the skin is one way for specific people to handle certain people, it doesn't mean that we should accept things the way they are and the we should stop trying to change and arguing against "wrong" behaviour. 

Originally posted by troublmaker

If a person is not mature enough to defend themself from attacks they are probably not mature enough for the games they are playing.  One of my favorite YouTube 'stars' is "GirlGoneGamer" who plays on the common sexism in CoD by starting every video by cooking some food (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQFWs4HrRKU).

Imagine a white person going to the hood.  I presume a white person traveling to the hood would get made fun of how small, skinny and white he is.  This white kid has the choice of NOT GOING TO THE HOOD.

The same is true with video games.  If you do not want to deal with racism, sexism, or any of that stuff then don't play the games that draw on it heavily (League of Legends/Call of Duty).

It's like when you are watching the old movie Huckleberry Finn and his friend's name is Nigger Jim.  If you find the fact that the locals refer to him Nigger Jim you can just not watch the movie.  The liberalism of language in the 70s did nothing but enhance racist slang.

If you are upset by people calling you names just play games that have a G rating.  Problem solved.

A white kid should be able to go to the hood without being made fun of how small, skinny and white he is. The society should not just forget the problem and it is their duty to actively try to change the situation for the better. 

42% of gamers are now women in the United States, no?

Does that not mean that women are also insulting others, both men and women? Why are the males being singled out in this? Do we get some form of a pass because we happen to have breasts in an online environment?

I can assure all of you that the verbal abuse is exponentially worse between two women that go at it than it is between a male and a female.

The problem as a whole is not restricted to women alone. It's a universal issue on the internet and has been around forever. Why a few of us believe we get a pass and we should be up in arms about a natural occurrence in an online environment is beyond me. Especially because there are a large number of us that do the -exact same thing- that was being covered in the article.

Too many people truly do need to grow thicker skin. The fact of the matter is that these are random comments tossed at you by a random person that you will never see in your daily life. They are absolutely meaningless. However, if it comes into your daily life from a virutal environment, there is an issue. But that is an entirely different argument.

Nonetheless, the fact remains that the internet allows you to remain anonymous and hide behind a screen of text. This also means that your gender is and always will be an unknown factor unless you make it otherwise evident, whether by telling someone or speaking over a VOIP. It's actually a very indiscriminate piece of technology if everyone would look at it equally; No one gives a damn what gender, ethnicity or religious belief you are. If someone were going to insult you, then they're going to insult you. The only difference your gender makes is what form of insult is headed your way. It's the exact same thing in real life. It's something you don't take to heart and simply walk away from.

Not nearly as big of an issue as it seems we're making it out to be. Quite embarassing at times, actually.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by troublmaker

If a person is not mature enough to defend themself from attacks they are probably not mature enough for the games they are playing.  One of my favorite YouTube 'stars' is "GirlGoneGamer" who plays on the common sexism in CoD by starting every video by cooking some food (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQFWs4HrRKU).

Imagine a white person going to the hood.  I presume a white person traveling to the hood would get made fun of how small, skinny and white he is.  This white kid has the choice of NOT GOING TO THE HOOD.

The same is true with video games.  If you do not want to deal with racism, sexism, or any of that stuff then don't play the games that draw on it heavily (League of Legends/Call of Duty).

It's like when you are watching the old movie Huckleberry Finn and his friend's name is Nigger Jim.  If you find the fact that the locals refer to him Nigger Jim you can just not watch the movie.  The liberalism of language in the 70s did nothing but enhance racist slang.

If you are upset by people calling you names just play games that have a G rating.  Problem solved.

 

A white kid should be able to go to the hood without being made fun of how small, skinny and white he is. The society should not just forget the problem and it is their duty to actively try to change the situation for the better. 

Well while we're making this a larger issue who is "the society" that you are describing.  A lot of people like to throw around generic terms to try and make a point.  But honestly who is "the society."  Are we talking about everyone?  Are we talking about the racist black community?  Are we talking about government?

Society isn't just one thing.

And change what for the better?  Who decides what is better.  Am I supposed to just accept that an egalitarian model of society is the best one?  The best one considering that we are all born into inequality?

Or can we just be grown ups and make choices.  These girls who are supposedly being harassed in games don't have to be in that atmosphere.  They have the ultimate choice of logging off.  In an MMO they can just change servers.  They don't even have to declare that they are women.  If you are a Jew and you choose to travel to Egypt you are purposely going to a hostile location and choosing to set yourself up for bad experiences.

I cannot change how people feel or what they feel.  We can cry about how people ought to be, all we want but it won't change anything.  The best we can do is choose what atmosphere we put ourselves in.

Next on the list of sexism witch hunts is removing all sexist references from cinema!