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  aesperus

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6/04/12 11:48:19 PM#41
Originally posted by teakbois
Originally posted by Centhan

.
...very serious group of contenders in 2008...toughest challenge yet from Warhammer Online

...very serious group of contenders in 2011...toughest challenge yet from Star Wars: The Old Republic

...very serious group of contenders in 2012...toughest challenge yet from Guild Wars 2

    ...you may be right.

These were the only 3 that were ever a serious threat

And one of them isn't out yet..

What he's missing is, WoW isn't being 'dethroned' by any one game. But it has been losing interest gradually over the years, and everytime a hot new game comes out it perpetuates that even more. WoW was never (and is not) going to be killed by the launch of a new game. Not only does Blizzard have too loyal a fanbase for that, but people have too much invested in the game now. Hell, if D3 can be the best selling game of all time, with how many issues it has, it's no surprise that a game made well (and WoW is a well made game, like it or hate it) can hold the #1 seat for so long.

  syntax.error

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6/05/12 1:37:08 AM#42
Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Nah, I honestly believe this expansion is the worst, worse than Cataclysm and could spell the end for WoW already. The pet battles thing is a really bad idea, this is not Pokemon you know. The pandas are probably the worst idea in terms of pvp because it's just going to be pandas vs pandas now everywhere now, it's stupid. Pandas are just not cool.

There we go!

  syntax.error

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6/05/12 1:42:03 AM#43
Originally posted by palulalula

Yes i know what can take down wow from throne--New mmo from Blizzard

I doubt even Blizzard can take down their own World of Warcraft phenomenon with their new Titan mmorpg.

People will rave for Titan, then come back to old faithful once again since they got to much time investment in WoW.

Blizzards next MMO will only be #1 for s short time, then WoW will regain it's #1 spot from its new sibling.

  GreenHell

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6/05/12 2:31:43 AM#44
Originally posted by Centhan

...very serious group of contenders in 2006...toughest challenge yet from Dungeons and Dragons Online.
...very serious group of contenders in 2007...toughest challenge yet from Lord of the Rings Online.
...very serious group of contenders in 2008...toughest challenge yet from Age of Conan
...very serious group of contenders in 2008...toughest challenge yet from Warhammer Online
...very serious group of contenders in 2009...toughest challenge yet from Darkfall
...very serious group of contenders in 2009...toughest challenge yet from Champions Online
...very serious group of contenders in 2009...toughest challenge yet from Aion
...very serious group of contenders in 2010...toughest challenge yet from Star Trek Online
...very serious group of contenders in 2011...toughest challenge yet from DC Universe Online
...very serious group of contenders in 2011...toughest challenge yet from Rift
...very serious group of contenders in 2011...toughest challenge yet from Star Wars: The Old Republic
...very serious group of contenders in 2012...toughest challenge yet from TERA
...very serious group of contenders in 2012...toughest challenge yet from Guild Wars 2

    ...you may be right.

LOL..it's so true. So many times I have heard  the "WoW killer" cry on these forums only to have WoW steam roll the competition time and time again.

 

  jbombard

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6/05/12 4:06:56 AM#45

WoW isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but...

pokeMoP isn't very exciting, Pandaria seems to be even more fisher price than kung-fu panda somehow.  I really hope they get the rest right.

  observer

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Posts: 2355

First came pride, then envy.

6/05/12 4:37:59 AM#46

Blizzard is doing what it does best.  Copying other features from MMO's and improving on it.

In MoP, they will copy:

  • Area-looting (copied swtor)
  • 3-faction (DAoC, Warhammer, GW2, etc.)
  • Challenge Modes (forgot which MMO had it first, but i know one of them did)
  • etc..
I guess if you consider Pokemon battles innovative, then Blizzard finally added something "evolutionary".  This will be their worst expansion ever, even doing worse than Cata.
  tazarconan

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6/05/12 5:06:06 AM#47
Originally posted by Eir_S

I've bought every other WoW xpac but I'm really not interested in this one at all.  I can't imagine grinding for purples for another year just to stand around town and queue endlessly.  It's not just WoW that's dead for me, it's the type of game in general.  Exploration isn't necessary in WoW anymore.

hmm, i recall back at vanilla times,despice the fact i was spending loads of times in bg's after the ranks ,i was almost every day in various locations,trying to find ingridients,some flowers that were growing in a forest that were useable as secondary healing potions for bg's ,many times i partied up with a guiltie farming elite mobs for rare epiq drops that even after 2 years on that toon that drop could be actually better than the one i had on that toon... All in all back then  u had proftis moving in the map. Also encountering players of the other faction and pvp in the wilds with them actually meant something,i recall there were actually loads of vendettas in my server ,huge fights on the forums for them (the server i was was rp-pvp) and even pvp outdoors back then meant something. At least before blizzard opens the door of crossed battlegrounds which it may reduced the queqe times for bg's but it killed the spirit of the whithin realm pvp.

  Isane

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6/05/12 7:25:17 AM#48
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by aktalat

I've never really enjoyed WoW being more an SWG player. With what I've seen of SW:TOR (cry) and TSW (I was in beta weekend) and Guild Wars 2, my expectation for Mists of Pandaria are simple:

World of Warcraft with it's Mists of Pandaria expansion will be the supreme MMO game for at least the next decade if not longer.

Simply put all the competition out there is so unoriginal and lacking, it's looking more and more like WoW is here for a long, long time. SW:TOR is depressing, Guild Wars 2 has fun features (much like Rift has some fun features) but I just can't see it beating World of Warcraft. Again I don't even play WoW but everything else out there is taking years and years to develop and just sucks. The only original game I've seen in the last couple of years is Minecraft, and that's not even an MMO.

Congrats to Blizzard and World of Warcraft, your 'competition' is so lackluster you are going to stay the dominant game for years and years to come. Kudos!

 I certainly don't think either will take out WoW, but frankly TSW and GW2 both appear to be pretty different compared to the norm to me. I believe both of those games will do quite nicely in their own right. Well...assuming Funcom isn't pulling another AOC and TSW ends up being  an absolute mess further into the game. I wouldn't say either of those games is even remotely lackluster. Hard to gauge how well they will do though since we haven't seen the whole game yet of either. TSW will probably be niche with a steady retention if they are good with updates and don't fuck up the launch. GW2 is going to be a juggernaut. Whether people like it or not.


Both TSW and GW2 will have no real longevity /Depth and generate little or no community and as such they will be 3 month have a look games work through the content and throw away.

Until people developing MMOs realise that for games to form real communities you do not need to automate 90% of Gameplay elements out of the game....

Guilds do noty make a community and investment in a game world they actually equate to self effacing elements which work against people , really wanting to be part of a world.

Good hack and slash but little more ; they cannot compete against something with excess content but in reality still lacking with respect to a well rounded game world. Where end game seems to be a poor excuse for what could have been good design up front.

 

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  Nadia

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6/05/12 7:35:47 AM#49
Originally posted by Isane

Guilds do noty make a community and investment in a game world they actually equate to self effacing elements which work against people , really wanting to be part of a world.

community comes from players helping each other more than anything else

 

thats one thing GW2 encourages in abundance

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/view/forums/thread/349908/page/1

In the GW2 Beta, you had to actually force yourself to realize you can like being around other people now. You can be generous, patient, and enjoy the company of fellow adventurers.  They cannot kill steal, ninja-loot, or bogart your nodes. All they can really do is help you. and increase your enjoyment of the game.

 

  Nadia

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6/05/12 7:49:01 AM#50
Originally posted by aesperus

What he's missing is, WoW isn't being 'dethroned' by any one game. But it has been losing interest gradually over the years, and everytime a hot new game comes out it perpetuates that even more. WoW was never (and is not) going to be killed by the launch of a new game. Not only does Blizzard have too loyal a fanbase for that, but people have too much invested in the game now. Hell, if D3 can be the best selling game of all time, with how many issues it has, it's no surprise that a game made well (and WoW is a well made game, like it or hate it) can hold the #1 seat for so long.

I share the same opinion

WOW will probably always be the top selling mmo but plenty of room for other mmos to co-exist

  Illyssia

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6/05/12 7:57:09 AM#51
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS
Originally posted by palulalula

Yes i know what can take down wow from throne--New mmo from Blizzard

I doubt even Blizzard can take down their own World of Warcraft phenomenon with their new Titan mmorpg.

People will rave for Titan, then come back to old faithful once again since they got to much time investment in WoW.

Blizzards next MMO will only be #1 for s short time, then WoW will regain it's #1 spot from its new sibling.

Titan is sort of thought to be planned by Blizzard for 2015 release...that's three years away dude.

Basically the buisnees suits who run Blizzard are going to milk every last dime out of the WoW cash cow and then move onto something new, and let WoW slowly become a retro niche mmo.

Panderia is sort of more kiddy orientated than ever before, so I think that tell you that WoW's demographic has changed in Western markets, and adults have moved onto other games now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  ZeGerman

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6/05/12 7:59:57 AM#52
Originally posted by aktalat

I've never really enjoyed WoW being more an SWG player. With what I've seen of SW:TOR (cry) and TSW (I was in beta weekend) and Guild Wars 2, my expectation for Mists of Pandaria are simple:

World of Warcraft with it's Mists of Pandaria expansion will be the supreme MMO game for at least the next decade if not longer.

Simply put all the competition out there is so unoriginal and lacking, it's looking more and more like WoW is here for a long, long time. SW:TOR is depressing, Guild Wars 2 has fun features (much like Rift has some fun features) but I just can't see it beating World of Warcraft. Again I don't even play WoW but everything else out there is taking years and years to develop and just sucks. The only original game I've seen in the last couple of years is Minecraft, and that's not even an MMO.

Congrats to Blizzard and World of Warcraft, your 'competition' is so lackluster you are going to stay the dominant game for years and years to come. Kudos!

I lost all respect for your oppinion when you refered to minecraft as original.  Mine craft is simply legos on a computer so adults don't feel childish when they use it.  Not to mention minecraft is just a production spin off on games that were made for years, i don't even mean shitty games i mean decent games that were intentional meant to be small games cause noone believed adults would be stupid enough to enjoy them.

  ZeGerman

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6/05/12 8:07:32 AM#53
Originally posted by Isane
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by aktalat

I've never really enjoyed WoW being more an SWG player. With what I've seen of SW:TOR (cry) and TSW (I was in beta weekend) and Guild Wars 2, my expectation for Mists of Pandaria are simple:

World of Warcraft with it's Mists of Pandaria expansion will be the supreme MMO game for at least the next decade if not longer.

Simply put all the competition out there is so unoriginal and lacking, it's looking more and more like WoW is here for a long, long time. SW:TOR is depressing, Guild Wars 2 has fun features (much like Rift has some fun features) but I just can't see it beating World of Warcraft. Again I don't even play WoW but everything else out there is taking years and years to develop and just sucks. The only original game I've seen in the last couple of years is Minecraft, and that's not even an MMO.

Congrats to Blizzard and World of Warcraft, your 'competition' is so lackluster you are going to stay the dominant game for years and years to come. Kudos!

 I certainly don't think either will take out WoW, but frankly TSW and GW2 both appear to be pretty different compared to the norm to me. I believe both of those games will do quite nicely in their own right. Well...assuming Funcom isn't pulling another AOC and TSW ends up being  an absolute mess further into the game. I wouldn't say either of those games is even remotely lackluster. Hard to gauge how well they will do though since we haven't seen the whole game yet of either. TSW will probably be niche with a steady retention if they are good with updates and don't fuck up the launch. GW2 is going to be a juggernaut. Whether people like it or not.


Both TSW and GW2 will have no real longevity /Depth and generate little or no community and as such they will be 3 month have a look games work through the content and throw away.

Until people developing MMOs realise that for games to form real communities you do not need to automate 90% of Gameplay elements out of the game....

Guilds do noty make a community and investment in a game world they actually equate to self effacing elements which work against people , really wanting to be part of a world.

Good hack and slash but little more ; they cannot compete against something with excess content but in reality still lacking with respect to a well rounded game world. Where end game seems to be a poor excuse for what could have been good design up front.

 

 

No you miss the real issue, good community comes from people keeping open minds and trying to really play a game.  WoW's community was built by old school gamers from the everquest SWG generation, people who kept open minds when they tried a game whether they thought it would be trash or not.

WoW has not been dethrone'd because the gaming community has decided that change is bad and if the game is not WoW its not good without really playing it through.   I garentee that if you took most of those players and sat them down with a completely reskinned WoW they would hate it.  Moaning about how it isn't as good as WoW, Aion is the case and point. 

Aion was not well made but it was certainly not as terrible as it was treated when compare to WoW, they really were quite similar in mechanics and automated play style

  OldManFunk

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6/05/12 8:07:58 AM#54
Originally posted by Isane


Both TSW and GW2 will have no real longevity /Depth and generate little or no community and as such they will be 3 month have a look games work through the content and throw away.

 

MoP will have no real longevity /Depth and generate little or no community and as such people will spend 1 month looking at the new "content" and then go back to queueing up in the new hub.

  ZeGerman

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6/05/12 8:12:07 AM#55
Originally posted by GreenHell
Originally posted by Centhan

...very serious group of contenders in 2006...toughest challenge yet from Dungeons and Dragons Online.
...very serious group of contenders in 2007...toughest challenge yet from Lord of the Rings Online.
...very serious group of contenders in 2008...toughest challenge yet from Age of Conan
...very serious group of contenders in 2008...toughest challenge yet from Warhammer Online
...very serious group of contenders in 2009...toughest challenge yet from Darkfall
...very serious group of contenders in 2009...toughest challenge yet from Champions Online
...very serious group of contenders in 2009...toughest challenge yet from Aion
...very serious group of contenders in 2010...toughest challenge yet from Star Trek Online
...very serious group of contenders in 2011...toughest challenge yet from DC Universe Online
...very serious group of contenders in 2011...toughest challenge yet from Rift
...very serious group of contenders in 2011...toughest challenge yet from Star Wars: The Old Republic
...very serious group of contenders in 2012...toughest challenge yet from TERA
...very serious group of contenders in 2012...toughest challenge yet from Guild Wars 2

    ...you may be right.

LOL..it's so true. So many times I have heard  the "WoW killer" cry on these forums only to have WoW steam roll the competition time and time again.

 

 

I can agree that it is MMORPG's job to hype games but honestly before RIFT did anyone actualy expect those games to beat WoW?  and frankly WoW is already a shadow of what it was 2 years ago, the market has already spread out even without this new batch of games.

  VonTakala

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6/05/12 8:15:51 AM#56
Originally posted by ZeGerman
Originally posted by aktalat

I've never really enjoyed WoW being more an SWG player. With what I've seen of SW:TOR (cry) and TSW (I was in beta weekend) and Guild Wars 2, my expectation for Mists of Pandaria are simple:

World of Warcraft with it's Mists of Pandaria expansion will be the supreme MMO game for at least the next decade if not longer.

Simply put all the competition out there is so unoriginal and lacking, it's looking more and more like WoW is here for a long, long time. SW:TOR is depressing, Guild Wars 2 has fun features (much like Rift has some fun features) but I just can't see it beating World of Warcraft. Again I don't even play WoW but everything else out there is taking years and years to develop and just sucks. The only original game I've seen in the last couple of years is Minecraft, and that's not even an MMO.

Congrats to Blizzard and World of Warcraft, your 'competition' is so lackluster you are going to stay the dominant game for years and years to come. Kudos!

I lost all respect for your oppinion when you refered to minecraft as original.  Mine craft is simply legos on a computer so adults don't feel childish when they use it.  Not to mention minecraft is just a production spin off on games that were made for years, i don't even mean shitty games i mean decent games that were intentional meant to be small games cause noone believed adults would be stupid enough to enjoy them.


And I lost all respect for you when you went completely off-topic and tried to change this thread from World of Warcraft to your own odd diatribe / rant about Minecraft.

Plus the fact that Minecraft is hands-down the most important game of the last 5+ years, an indie game with millions of fans around the world doing spectacular things in-game. Notch, the programmer for Minecraft, originally worked for free on Wurm Online and has a talented MMO background and skillset which he then used when creating Minecraft.

I could go on, but Miosts of Pandaria is calling me.

  daltanious

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6/05/12 8:18:44 AM#57
Originally posted by Montaronx
Hope it fails so hard so that the developers get a hint on how to support their player base for their next game

Support "player base". And you really think any developer can make happy millions of players? That your "player base " complain maybe is something I'm not bothered at all.

  Methios

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6/05/12 10:35:42 AM#58
Let`s be honest no game will ever over throw WoW in the MMO market. Sorry, GW2 is just overhyped sure it will be a decent game heck it might sell 5 million box copies but it will not have a lasting effect like WoW has on MMOs. I am not sure why everyone gets into this clash "What will kill WoW?" the correct answer is father time.

No matter how much you hate WoW and Blizzard the truth is they do it the best just look at the track record the competition in any genre of game they produce they are the best by far.
  Scalebane

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6/05/12 2:44:33 PM#59

i believe they'll sell  millions of copies just like they have every other xpac.  People say every xpac will be their final downfall and it never happens, maybe you'll be right this time eh? :)

inb4 selling tons of copies doesn't mean its good!  well for all the people that bought it they think its good and that's all that matters.

"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas

  Deviane

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6/05/12 3:26:34 PM#60

Fanboys...Fanboys everywhere o_o

new mmos  will not kill WoW  its not   something instant  i like to imagine  that they  bleed  WoW to death(and  it started a while ago WoW numbers are still sky high but not as good as it used to be...its more about asian players now than american players thats  why the asian subject on this expansion)

i do think its  time  for a change i dont hate  blizzard (even if i  dont like WoW and D3 was not THAT good) so i  want them  do another project and put their  experience (aka steal every good idea from other games and put it in their game) and  give us something good to talk about and play

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