Not only is this game pay2win to the max. its not free2play, you have to buy everything from the store.

PVP is horrible, promised a new map 3times but did not recieve anything, unbalanced, 5 years and no changes made.

Servers are dead - after playing for 4 years i have seen what servers used to be like, and atm it is no where close to what it was in the SoA days. I checked everyone of them, all but the 3 big servers have life

You cant bring up any other games on chat, or you will get banned. If you bring gw2 is better than lotro and comparing the bad on lotro up on the forums they will find the smallest, most pathetic thing to block your post and prob ban you.

Slow combat, very old system. Enough said.

Extremely boring (IMO). Not only is the combat very slow, everything (mobs,quests) are repetitve.

GRIND- this game is 75lvls of pure grinding(questing x amount of mobs etc.. is a grind aswell). 

Virtue/traits-  This one focuses on new people, you have to store buy for slots to equip. You have to grind days to achieve it and the list goes on....Please dont even think of playing it you will just be spending endless amount of cash for a terrible mmo.

Expansions - Yes this game was consistant to make an expansion every year, but imagine all the $$ you have to spend for the expansions for terrible/grinding endgame. BTW, the new Riders of rohan expansion is $70 LOL and no mention of new raids/instances... at least yet. PvP is a big endgame, but yet its unbalanced and has not been touched for 5 years.

PRO

Quest/Story - This game (IMO) does probably have the best story to it, but lets face it this is LOTR. LOTR has an amazing story to it so its not hard to use it in a MMO. The story,scenary is amazing in this game and not to mention its graphics. 

p.s - this is an example of how you cant use other games on forums, this guy got banned for stating his opinon.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?461700-Attention-devs

Break the rules, get banned, come onto mmorpg to moan.

I see a pattern...

Its certainly not my type of game at its seems to just be 75 levels of solo quest grinding, but I guess some people really like that.

So, you're one of those guys who always have to talk about another game instead of enjoying the one you're playing or logging off. I can't stand those types. I'm glad they ban people that do it. Seems like a good policy.

Slow combat, definitely yes.

Awful PVP, yes.

Grind, maybe, but stories are great.

Dead, no, far from it (haven't played in a while, but my wife keeps logging in from time to time).

Lvl85, please Alt-Tab from your WoW account 

This game is not for everyone, but which game is? Overall I dont think LotRO is P2W... but thats just me.

Still trying to see where and why that guy got "banned"... The server I play on seems to have a really healthy playerbase...

Got me...

This has been the only MMO I have ever really liked to play. Got to 50 in SWTOR and quit. I was really disappointed in that one but back to the point. You do have to sub to this game if you want to be able to unlock all of your trait slots etc without having to have the turbine points. I felt the sub price was justified as I used to pay for the game before anyway. The bad part is I lost a level 55 champion with the server merger and had to start all over again. That was the only thing I wasnt pleased with.

You don't have to actually buy anything from the store, the option exists to earn TP through the deed system if you don't mind putting the work into it. It's a lot more than most other F2P games offer. Also the game is far from dead, I still pop in from time to time and the server I am on is always bustling with people. 

If you ever plan on playing LOTRO for the long haul, the best option you can do is sub for a month, make your characters while you are subbed, then unsub. This makes all your characters count as premium chars and you never have to unlock anything on them again. 

LOL 

1. that person that got banned was a friend of mine. He made suggestion about the game and was comparing the pvp with gw2 and lotro, thats all, nowhere did he say this game will die because of gw2.  Dont cry plz

2. the servers are dead. Others than brandy, Elend, landy. I tested every single server. Lots of complaints.

3. Those who deny that this is not a pay2win game, just LOL. scrolls/LI/LI items/classes/expansion x10/quests/traits/virtue/etc... ( i can make a list of 10 pages). This is by far the biggeste pay2win game to date.

4. I dont play WoW, never had been. Played lotro for 4 years.

@the guy who said you cant seem to find why he got banned, +1 to you. He made an appeal and got it back, so to all of you guys who said haha he deserved it -----> FAIL. The evidence was to clear that he did nothing wrong, all his infractions/ban was lifted. This shows you how the mods/sapience just shut people up when they speak of gw2.

I think the game is rubbish now on many levels and definitely fell short of its potential.  It's not worth the download time and there are many better games both P2P and F2P in my opinion.  It is the only setting that is 'Middle Earth' and that's its only real feature.

But why fight a worthless battle?  Really, if it sucks for you that bad just move on and forget they exist.  There are so many options in MMOs now why not just find a game that suits you better and enjoy what it offers.

P2Win??? It's been said before but I'll say it again: There's nothing you can't buy with your turbine points which can be aquired by doing some actions in game. So unles you're a compulsive buyer, you can get pretty much everything you NEED for free. If you feel like an obligation to buy everything the game has to offer than yes you'll have to spend money.

PvP maybe suck but PvP wasn't supposed to be a major feature in the game, it's been add after launch and more like a minigame.  It's been said before but I'll say it again, LOTRO is and always been PvE oriented, if you prefer PvP then that game isn't and never been for you.

Servers dead?? maybe some of them like in every other games out there but there was plenty of peoples to talk with on Landroval last time I played and that wasn't so long ago.

Slow combat?? You don't like it, good (or bad) for you but maybe some peoples like it just the way it is. 

Extremely boring?? You don't like it, good (or bad) for you but maybe some peoples find it fun and interesting. 

It's possible you don't like the game anymore and that's fine, but you should rethink the way you present your opinions, opinions are not facts you know.

Honestly that guy that posted on the lotr forums deserved to be banned if nothing else for making everyone's effective IQ to drop by a few points just by reading at his atrocious post.

1) the game is not pay 2 win at all.

2) I guess there could be a few people here who are not aware of how this game works. . but not many.  The problem is that your very one sided opinion , while your alone and valid in that sense, does not fit the feeling of most people that have played the game.  I found it fun for a bit.  then it got dull.  I never had to pay any money.

Suggesting that you have to buy "everything" from the store is not accurate at all.  Also buying a few quests packs is worth it.  IIt is one of the better F2P models out there in my opinion, which I realize is not worth more than yours (but I am going to disagree just the same)

Actually this is one of the better looking and most gorgious mmorpgs today.  They nearly went pay to win but pulled back at the last minute.  Free to play does not mean you get access to everything all the time if you want to progress after a certain point yep you have to pay something.

It only means it is Free To Play at the point of access it is not "Free" you can log in and play any time but if you want access to the top stuff pony up my little donkey. Running servers does cost money you know... to think you can play completely for free :/.

I haven't played in a while but I do own all the expansion. Yes chat can be a bit strict in this game so just learn to behave a little though I sympathise a bit (I tend to find it is the guilds themselves that are their own religion and woebetide yee who breaks any kind of code like a poo word on comms! [shudders])

The link you posted  just goes on about GW2 you do realise GW2 will have a cash shop too and there will be a good reason to use it afaik.

I digress either behave or stop playing :P.

If the OP has been playing four years, then he should very well know that everything in the store is available in game.  Seeing that the game didn't go F2P until 2010, he was obviously a subscribing player.  Therefore, he should also know that Virtues/Traits slots are tied to the subsciption type (VIP, Premium, Freeb) and if you are not a VIP then you're going to have either earn or buy certain features.  But, given the way the OP made his opening salvo, I'm going to guess that he's never been a subscriber.  I could be wrong, but the OP wreaks of someone jealous of what the VIP's get with their subscription...

The statment "this is a pve game" is not true at all.

Much of its revenue came from pvp. Monster play classes, monster play skills/virtues/traits/maps. It costs on average 595tp for each skill ( from what i recall that alone is $5 lol). TRANSFERS- much of transfers is because of pvp, freeps+creeps, each transfer is $25. Also, many peoplee just subscribe for pvp.

If PVP is in the game, then its turbine obligation to work on it.

Originally posted by xalvi

The statment "this is a pve game" is false.

Much of its revenue came from pvp. Monster play classes, monster play skills/virtues/traits/maps. It costs on average 595tp for each skill ( from what i recall that alone is $5 lol). TRANSFERS- much of transfers is because of pvp, freeps+creeps, each transfer is $25. Also, many peoplee just subscribe for pvp.

Now you're just full of it, and checking by your history of posts it's very evident that you prefer a PvP focused game which LOTR has never been. Your post above that I quoted is pure fantasy. You have a vivid (and persecutory) imagination.

Originally posted by pierth

Originally posted by xalvi

The statment "this is a pve game" is false.

Much of its revenue came from pvp. Monster play classes, monster play skills/virtues/traits/maps. It costs on average 595tp for each skill ( from what i recall that alone is $5 lol). TRANSFERS- much of transfers is because of pvp, freeps+creeps, each transfer is $25. Also, many peoplee just subscribe for pvp.

Now you're just full of it, and checking by your history of posts it's very evident that you prefer a PvP focused game which LOTR has never been. Your post above that I quoted is pure fantasy. You have a vivid (and persecutory) imagination.

Nice arguement, trying to use past post on this present issue. Yes i do prefer pvp games, and what i said that you quoted was about pvp, please get educated before posting again. Please explain to me how im full of it?

Originally posted by xalvi

Played lotro for 4 years.

No reason to say anything else, this alone says it all.

[mod edit]Who the heck plays Lotro just for the pvp? I played the game slowly over the course of a year and absolutely loved it. It is for sure not Pay 2 Win, I never bought anything off the Turbine store. Keeping a game like Lotro running is incredibly expensive and if it wasn't for the item shop the game would be in much worse condition. The chat is strict, but it keeps whiners quiet. The graphics are great for an MMO, and while the combat is slow, it is not BAD. If you want great PVP and unrestricted chat, play Darkly. If Lotro is such a bad game, would you mind explaining to me how it is #4 rated game on MMORPG.COM? And the game is for sure not dead, I always see tons of people where my character hangs around. I always enjoyed the story of Lotro and loved the grinding crafting. It always gave me something to do.[mod edit]