1) what's the main difference between rogues and engineers other than the fact that engineers create their own weapons?

Let's say the engineer doesn't create his own weapons. Would he be like the rogue then?

In this sense, I'm not just talking about stealth. I see the thief as an agile fighter or a trickster or a master strategist which can even be an archer.

2) And so if rogues can be dedicated trap layer and defense grid managers, does that mean they can just be the tower defense guy building walls and contraptions and defense weapons? this is what this link says : http://mmohuts.com/editorials/mmo-classes-playing-a-rogue

3) I'm just confused why the article stated that rogues can be stealthy mages as well.

4)  When I think of rangers, I don't really think about the lore behind the class, I think about what they do. So I generally think of rangers as just archers and engineers as people who use guns and put out turrets like in guild wars 2. So if that's how you see the engineer, would a rogue be like that? I understand that a rogue won't be the guy constructing devices. Then again, would that be possible? After all, the rogue is the one that makes all the traps and has the ability to be a dedicated trap layer and defense grid manager. So, they can be engineers as well?

I know that every game has their own lore. There are huge differences between games like Mass Effect and WoW. That's why I don't really look at the lore. I see the similarities in combat and what they do. So, I see the rogue as the sneaky type and the assassin and whatnot, and I correspond that to things like snipers, hackers, Splinter Cell, that kind of stuff. I also see the similarity between the rogue and agile fighters like in Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden. So, that's the reason why I see similarities between rangers and engineers and rogues.

thanks.

What game are you talking about?  There aren't generic classes that apply to all games.  There are only particular classes in particular games.  While a lot of games have one or more melee damage dealer classes that you could loosely call a rogue class (even if the game calls it something different), most games don't have any particular class that you can say is an engineer class.

It all comes down to setting. In some cases engineer can be a rogue class, in others they just aren't.

Engineer is a creator of mechanical devices, things and even larger features. They can differ from this role, but I would say they build stuff to solve their problems.

Rogues on other hand can use various mechanics like simple traps, distance weapons and basic understanding of mechanics to unlock locks and disarm traps.

"Tower defence" is quite particular setting and in my mind isn't in traditional range, so in tower defence setting rogue can be the trap setter. And in general rogues can use traps as part of their tool set, or not depending on setting.

Mages are different more focused on magic, but some rogues in some settings can utilize magic, but it's not their main thing.

Rogue isn't neccessary the main trap or defence layer. Traps has just been part of their toolset among things, not the main thing. In some cases they don't make traps, but they use them. Also traps can be quite simple things not requiring much of engineering.

Rogue is what falls between and/or outside traditional archtypes like: the tank or heavy damage(barbarian, paladin, knight kind) or healer or the mage(fireballs, necromancy, other kinds). There can be classes like archers and assasins outside these and they might be or might not be rogues.

Originally posted by Ranger101

1) what's the main difference between rogues and engineers other than the fact that engineers create their own weapons?

thanks.

Backstab

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/352566/A-couple-of-questions-regarding-the-general-rogue-archetype.html

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5033895

It's just another clone, AKA Ishida###/Ranger###  asking the same question over and over and over...

any other ideas?