Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by Lowcaian

Originally posted by Bladestrom

Originally posted by Khaeros

Oh, come on, all of you!

 

You're on this site erryday going 'I WANT SANDBAWKS GAMES THAT ARE HARD AND PLAYER INTERACTION MATTERS!!!!' and now you're unsubbing because the Goons made you mad?

 

Figures.  Whenever it's convenient for you to have a difficult game, it's perfectly fine.  You like the pride that comes from claiming that you're part of a 'difficult' game.  However, when the difficulty starts to impede how you play, it's a whole new tune from this site.

 

Goons definately deserve a commendation for this.  Uprooting all the weak trash, so only the strong survive.  Now that's a proper sandbox to me.

Goading people to suicide kill other players has nothing to do with difficulty, they are being allowed to bully other players out of the game they enjoy and pay for.This would be fine if the sandbox had ways that allowed the victim to fight back or defend or be defended, but suicide kills are side-stepping rules meant to preserve the nature of the sandbox.  Imagine you are a new player/blood in EVE and you got repeatedly suicide ganked..Unfortunately empathy is not a skill required in EVE.

Also imagine if Miners could pay Concord/Powerful NPC mercenary armies to attack federations with a history of piracy, and lets say just about every federation sick of the Goons paid for the armies to gather and rip through the goon territory, now that would be a fair counterbalance,but would Goons be happy, or would they complain and try to pressurise Eve devs with unsaid threats about leaving game?

 

 

Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.

 

The tools exist. you're unwilling to use them.

Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.

Originally posted by Lowcaian

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by Lowcaian

 

Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.

 

The tools exist. you're unwilling to use them.

Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.

Exactly what is stopping you from joining an even bigger gang or making one?

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Lowcaian

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by Lowcaian

 

Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.

 

The tools exist. you're unwilling to use them.

Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.

Exactly what is stopping you from joining an even bigger gang or making one?

Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter
what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.

However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?

Originally posted by Lowcaian

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Lowcaian

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by Lowcaian

 

Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.

 

The tools exist. you're unwilling to use them.

Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.

Exactly what is stopping you from joining an even bigger gang or making one?

Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter
what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.

However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?

Why are you not flying heavy combat drones????   When I was minining I always had out the 3 that it let me have out. Had to have those to kep priates off, and the lone ganker.  Now if you get a gang comming in well you either pay them not to pod you or you just accept it and move on.

Or you get a corp and get protection or join the gankers.

Originally posted by Lowcaian

 

Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter
what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.

However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?

So if you want to 'fight back' why aren't you in a ship that can fight?

If I want a healthy meal, I generally won't go to a Donut shop.

And seriously, how hard is it to stay aligned and warp out if a yellow enters local?

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Lowcaian

 

Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter
what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.

However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?

So if you want to 'fight back' why aren't you in a ship that can fight?

If I want a healthy meal, I generally won't go to a Donut shop.

 

And seriously, how hard is it to stay aligned and warp out if a yellow enters local?

Because I am mining, I shouldn't have to dual box if thats a requirement something is wrong.

Originally posted by Lowcaian

Originally posted by jpnz

 

So if you want to 'fight back' why aren't you in a ship that can fight?

If I want a healthy meal, I generally won't go to a Donut shop.

 

And seriously, how hard is it to stay aligned and warp out if a yellow enters local?

Because I am mining, I shouldn't have to dual box if thats a requirement something is wrong.

If you want to mine, then mine.

But stay aligned and warp out if a yellow enters local in your mining ship.

Problem solved.

Originally posted by erictlewis

Originally posted by Lowcaian

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Lowcaian

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by Lowcaian

 

Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.

 

The tools exist. you're unwilling to use them.

Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.

Exactly what is stopping you from joining an even bigger gang or making one?

Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter
what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.

However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?

Why are you not flying heavy combat drones????   When I was minining I always had out the 3 that it let me have out. Had to have those to kep priates off, and the lone ganker.  Now if you get a gang comming in well you either pay them not to pod you or you just accept it and move on.

Or you get a corp and get protection or join the gankers.

Drones won't protect you. Even a well fitted barge has paper tank. Join the gankers, yeah., that was why I joined EVE.

Incase you are actually dim enough to mine unscouted and solo in a FFA PVP game I would suggest the following fit 

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60123-Hulkageddon-Buffer-Tank.html

30,000 EHP together with the 5x Hammerhead II's will keep at least two if not three destroyers from ganking you. And if there is 3rd, its only fair you have 1 Scimitar remote repping you.

Someone oughta do another version of the "Leave Britney Alone" with the general jist of "Let Me Mine in Peace" so I can link it every time these afk miners cry.

Originally posted by Eluwien

Incase you are actually dim enough to mine unscouted and solo in a FFA PVP game I would suggest the following fit 

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60123-Hulkageddon-Buffer-Tank.html

30,000 EHP together with the 5x Hammerhead II's will keep at least two if not three destroyers from ganking you. And if there is 3rd, its only fair you have 1 Scimitar remote repping you.

 

Someone oughta do another version of the "Leave Britney Alone" with the general jist of "Let Me Mine in Peace" so I can link it every time these afk miners cry.

I don't use a Hulk.

You should never stop playing eve. Always have a pilot in training :D

Come back and join a large corp/alliance.

Get our of high sec and play in 0.0. That's where the game really begins :D

Originally posted by BigCountry

You should never stop playing eve. Always have a pilot in training :D

 

Come back and join a large corp/alliance.

 

Get our of high sec and play in 0.0. That's where the game really begins :D

This is why EVE is NOT a Sandbox.  It has "End Game" just like every other MMO on the market.

EvE Vet's just like to keep saying it over and over again but EvE has sandbox elements but it is NOT a Sandbox.

High Sec is less safe then 0.0 and you would know this if you ever played in 0.0.   I carebear more in 0.0 space then high sec.  I avoid low sec at all cost.

I only recently started playing eve, right now im mining, working my way to a hulk (in a retriever now).  I got ganked once, my fault, I was being scouted by a tengu who bumped me, I was inexperienced and kept mining in the same area.  About 15 mins later a catalyst suiside ganks me.  I learned from my mistake, I now now a little bit more what to watch for, and I stopped mining in such a high traffic area (seriously 30+ large containers at every belt). 

Its really not that bad, just avoid the high traffic mining areas around trade hubs like amarr and Jita, go a few jumps out.

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by BigCountry

You should never stop playing eve. Always have a pilot in training :D

 

Come back and join a large corp/alliance.

 

Get our of high sec and play in 0.0. That's where the game really begins :D

This is why EVE is NOT a Sandbox.  It has "End Game" just like every other MMO on the market.

EvE Vet's just like to keep saying it over and over again but EvE has sandbox elements but it is NOT a Sandbox.

High Sec is less safe then 0.0 and you would know this if you ever played in 0.0.   I carebear more in 0.0 space then high sec.  I avoid low sec at all cost.

Actually the 0.0 end game is not really an "ending" since most players continue to "live" in 0.0 and daily politics change etc. its more of a virtual world than anything else so its not an end game in the traditional sense since player driven content makes people stay.

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by BigCountry

You should never stop playing eve. Always have a pilot in training :D

 

Come back and join a large corp/alliance.

 

Get our of high sec and play in 0.0. That's where the game really begins :D

This is why EVE is NOT a Sandbox.  It has "End Game" just like every other MMO on the market.

EvE Vet's just like to keep saying it over and over again but EvE has sandbox elements but it is NOT a Sandbox.

High Sec is less safe then 0.0 and you would know this if you ever played in 0.0.   I carebear more in 0.0 space then high sec.  I avoid low sec at all cost.

What you seem to consider 'end game' can be done from Day One by any player so that's some really odd logic there. Or are you under the impression that people have to grind high and low sec, get to x SP and have y gear before they get to 'end game'?

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by BigCountry

You should never stop playing eve. Always have a pilot in training :D

 

Come back and join a large corp/alliance.

 

Get our of high sec and play in 0.0. That's where the game really begins :D

This is why EVE is NOT a Sandbox.  It has "End Game" just like every other MMO on the market.

EvE Vet's just like to keep saying it over and over again but EvE has sandbox elements but it is NOT a Sandbox.

High Sec is less safe then 0.0 and you would know this if you ever played in 0.0.   I carebear more in 0.0 space then high sec.  I avoid low sec at all cost.

I didn't get the memo that 0.0 was "end game".  I tried the whole large alliance thing twice and didn't like it.  Low sec is my home and piracy is my profession.

But yes in some cases high sec is less safe then sov 0.0.  Which is why I don't understand why people insist on staying in high sec.  There are many dead end pockets of low and null sec that see almost no traffic and would be a miners and ratters dream.  Put eyes at choke point entrance and you're safe.

Originally posted by Derros

I only recently started playing eve, right now im mining, working my way to a hulk (in a retriever now).  I got ganked once, my fault, I was being scouted by a tengu who bumped me, I was inexperienced and kept mining in the same area.  About 15 mins later a catalyst suiside ganks me.  I learned from my mistake, I now now a little bit more what to watch for, and I stopped mining in such a high traffic area (seriously 30+ large containers at every belt). 

 

Its really not that bad, just avoid the high traffic mining areas around trade hubs like amarr and Jita, go a few jumps out.

We have a winner!  Nice to see players who actually learn from their mistakes and take corrective action.  You'll do fine in Eve.

This is not the first "Hulkageddon" organised in EVE, and I doubt it will be the last. However, I seem to recall from previous years that CCP tended to tighten-up things in hisec after each wave of suicide ganking. But those changes were always subtle and CCP-slow, never a knee-jerk reaction.

Hisec is a very crowded place, a good 75% of online pilots can be found there at any time of day. But it also has quiet areas where risk-management is quite easy. Avoiding high-traffic areas is always recommended, because suicide gankers favour the areas where there are an abundance of targets. It's impossible to judge the threat level when there's 50 people in local all the time, but when there's only 5 or 10 it becomes feasible.

If you choose to play EVE solo, you are choosing the hard road. It's entirely possible, but it will take a lot more effort than if you joined up with a corp. 

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

If you choose to play EVE solo, you are choosing the hard road. It's entirely possible, but it will take a lot more effort than if you joined up with a corp. 

According to our last survey,  a lot of EVE players seem to like travelling the hard road.

That's it.. downloading now.  You guys have suckered me to give it another chance.  I don't remember what my account has on it... I'm pretty sure it was a Hulk or two, a battleship or 2, and a peppering of smaller ships.  Who remembers now.

Is there a good welcome back primer?  I'd hate to lose a GOOD ship trying to remember non-n00bness :-)