Originally posted by Teekay

Because battlegrounds are not improvements. They're the ultimate way to terminate open pvp.

Every single game which had battlegrounds caused open pvp to dissapear. Look at Warcraft,swtor and rift. It's people standing around in teh cpital cities/areas waiting for the next bg to pop.

 

If you thought open pvp was bad now wait until the bgs kick in, it will be deserted.

EXCEPT that the instanced PVP is only for level 50+

Soooo the world PVP for >50 is entirely uneffected.

And the world PVP as it is right now is extremely alive and kicking, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

YAY for making assumptions!

Originally posted by oubers

Originally posted by Teekay

Originally posted by Chrisbox

I wouldnt say my expectations are low ( and since you asked-  war, rift, daoc, wow, eve, swtor, lotro, aion...) I'd say im glad to see that TERA is improving.  With TERA's combat system I think they can make the generic battleground something alot more epic.

 

  You played daoc ffs! Still imho the most epic of pvp/rvr games ever made and you think a 15vx15 bg is good? Thidranki is more fun that any battleground i've ever played in any game.

All it will be is a hold the flag/capture the flag battleground. There will be a reward involved for sure, so people will be desperate to grind out battlegrounds.

Lets see:

1) Dungeon grind - check

2) Equipment grind - check

3) Crafting grind - check

4) Pvp....well, no real reason to pvp, better put in some sort of grind, battlegrounds!!! Genius! -check!.

5) Cash shop - check

6) Subscription - check.

Hi2U warcraft clone with a targetting mechanic+ asian graphics, but let's face it, you're really just hitting whatever is in front of you. Daocs hard interrupt system absolutely craps all over this in terms of skill needed.

 

 

ah DOAC, the game is absolute crap untill you are max lvl and are ready to go rvr...PVE content???? NONE.

When you hit max lvl, you party up, buff for about 5 minutes.....run to the battleground for another 10 minutes and then get one shot by "you know what class" just to buff up and run another 10 minutes to the fighting spot.

That's how i expirienced DOAC......hell the best RVR i ever played was WAR (altough it was kind off a zerg fest, i still liked it.).

 

Lol, this is funny. You never played DAOC, if you claim theres no PVE, and the game is crap till you hit max level. As far as the 15 vs 15 BGs, well there goes the pre release, "OMG the OWPVP is great". It will slowly disappear to nothing, and all you ll see is people waiting for a que.

Originally posted by oubers  Lol, this is funny. You never played DAOC, if you claim theres no PVE, and the game is crap till you hit max level. As far as the 15 vs 15 BGs, well there goes the pre release, "OMG the OWPVP is great". It will slowly disappear to nothing, and all you ll see is people waiting for a que.

 

So you are PRO 60's running around ganking lowbies all day long because they have nothing else to do?

Because you DO know that the Battle grounds are only for level 50+

Meaning the world PVP for a VAST majority of the game is entirely uneffected.

Meaning your assumption is extremely flawed.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by oubersLol, this is funny. You never played DAOC, if you claim theres no PVE, and the game is crap till you hit max level. As far as the 15 vs 15 BGs, well there goes the pre release, "OMG the OWPVP is great". It will slowly disappear to nothing, and all you ll see is people waiting for a que.

 

So you are PRO 60's running around ganking lowbies all day long because they have nothing else to do?

Because you DO know that the Battle grounds are only for level 50+

Meaning the world PVP for a VAST majority of the game is entirely uneffected.

Meaning your assumption is extremely flawed.

At first it won t happen, but if you think they won t release BGs for other levels, down the road, you re fooling yourself.

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by oubersLol, this is funny. You never played DAOC, if you claim theres no PVE, and the game is crap till you hit max level. As far as the 15 vs 15 BGs, well there goes the pre release, "OMG the OWPVP is great". It will slowly disappear to nothing, and all you ll see is people waiting for a que.

 

So you are PRO 60's running around ganking lowbies all day long because they have nothing else to do?

Because you DO know that the Battle grounds are only for level 50+

Meaning the world PVP for a VAST majority of the game is entirely uneffected.

Meaning your assumption is extremely flawed.

At first it won t happen, but if you think they won t release BGs for other levels, down the road, you re fooling yourself.

Thats a nice crystal ball you have there fortune teller.

Look, I get it, you are all embarrassed because you spoke out against something when you didn't do ANY research AT ALL into the subject mater and now you are back pedaling with some predictions like you are a sooth sayer.

Look, En Masse and Blue hole both said they will have their BG's at high level because PVP i nthis game is balanced around team play, and around higher level play.  

So before you look into your mystical crystal ball, read some articles, educate yourself.

Thanks.

I'm more interested to see how they can tie the battlegrounds or the guild vs guild wars to the vanarch system than the actual battlegrounds themselves.

It's a tricky subject because we don't really know the details under the implementation. Currently the game has no, so called, PvP gear and they don't seem to be needed.

Will En Masse give incentives to enter BGs despite having none for OWPvP or GvG?

Personally I'd love to see some cosmetic gear for those successful in PvP, but I fear that the crowd that comes from now mostly instanced content (WoW BGs, arenas, Rift BGs etc) will want to see gear upgrades.Beyond that however I wouldn't want to see any movement that would compromise the OWPvP in favour of instanced PvP content. The reason is obvious, there are games that are or will be doing such a structured content a lot better than Tera, while there isn't any mmorpg of this quality that is doing open world fractionless PvP at the moment.

Originally posted by Xasapis

I'm more interested to see how they can tie the battlegrounds or the guild vs guild wars to the vanarch system than the actual battlegrounds themselves.

It's a tricky subject because we don't really know the details under the implementation. Currently the game has no, so called, PvP gear and they don't seem to be needed. There is a chance on many pieces of gear to get a stat that increases damage toward players or reduces the damage you take from players, PVP gear is alive and well in TERA, you just don't grind "honor" or whatever to get it from a merhcant.  Its a random stat like any other.

Will En Masse give incentives to enter BGs despite having none for OWPvP or GvG?

Personally I'd love to see some cosmetic gear for those successful in PvP, but I fear that the crowd that comes from now mostly instanced content (WoW BGs, arenas, Rift BGs etc) will want to see gear upgrades.Beyond that however I wouldn't want to see any movement that would compromise the OWPvP in favour of instanced PvP content. The reason is obvious, there are games that are or will be doing such a structured content a lot better than Tera, while there isn't any mmorpg of this quality that is doing open world fractionless PvP at the moment.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by oubersLol, this is funny. You never played DAOC, if you claim theres no PVE, and the game is crap till you hit max level. As far as the 15 vs 15 BGs, well there goes the pre release, "OMG the OWPVP is great". It will slowly disappear to nothing, and all you ll see is people waiting for a que.

 

So you are PRO 60's running around ganking lowbies all day long because they have nothing else to do?

Because you DO know that the Battle grounds are only for level 50+

Meaning the world PVP for a VAST majority of the game is entirely uneffected.

Meaning your assumption is extremely flawed.

At first it won t happen, but if you think they won t release BGs for other levels, down the road, you re fooling yourself.

Thats a nice crystal ball you have there fortune teller.

Look, I get it, you are all embarrassed because you spoke out against something when you didn't do ANY research AT ALL into the subject mater and now you are back pedaling with some predictions like you are a sooth sayer.

Look, En Masse and Blue hole both said they will have their BG's at high level because PVP i nthis game is balanced around team play, and around higher level play.  

So before you look into your mystical crystal ball, read some articles, educate yourself.

Thanks.

Not embarrased at all. If you don t think it s going to effect OWPVP, you re fooling yourself. It takes no time to hit 50+ in this game, from what I experienced and read, so , ya it will effect it alot. It s like most games, guildies will be 50+ talking about hitting up some BGs , others are lower, and will just want to hit the BG levels.

You can go on and say it won t effect OWPVP, but you know damn well it will, and probably in a big way.

Originally posted by Leucent

Not embarrased at all. If you don t think it s going to effect OWPVP, you re fooling yourself. It takes no time to hit 50+ in this game, from what I experienced and read, so , ya it will effect it alot. It s like most games, guildies will be 50+ talking about hitting up some BGs , others are lower, and will just want to hit the BG levels.

You can go on and say it won t effect OWPVP, but you know damn well it will, and probably in a big way.

Again, wild speculation, no facts at all.

You don't even site other games that HAD open world PVP and then how they were impacted by their introduction of instanced PVP ruined them.

Just claiming something is true doesn't make it true, have you played TERA?  Then you should know that open world PVP happens all the time, and that it wont' be changed by a BG system, people kill each other while questing all the time, people camp daily monsters, people get butt hurt and have their guilds hunt down people and put bounties on their heads.

You forget one thing sir, this isn't WoW.  There aren't 2 factions.  Its open world PVP with open faction PVP, its something new, so stop trying to fit it into an old system, an old school of thought.

Edit:  By something new I mean a factionless game that has instanced PVP BG's.  

Originally posted by Xasapis

Well, the game already has something that other games don't have in terms of PvP, ie factionless open world PvP. I guess battlegrounds are a necessity for those with limited time that want a quick PvP fix in a controlled environment. Personally I don't see how would anyone choose battlegrounds over open world PvP unless:

• battlegrounds offer huge rewards
• time is limited

Battlegrounds are more easily accessable then open PvP, unless you want to go on a ganking spree.

As for this update, when is it scheduled for?

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Xasapis

Well, the game already has something that other games don't have in terms of PvP, ie factionless open world PvP. I guess battlegrounds are a necessity for those with limited time that want a quick PvP fix in a controlled environment. Personally I don't see how would anyone choose battlegrounds over open world PvP unless:

• battlegrounds offer huge rewards
• time is limited

Battlegrounds are more easily accessable then open PvP, unless you want to go on a ganking spree.

As for this update, when is it scheduled for?

"Before the end of Summer"

"By the end of summer"

depends on which website you look at, but its something about the end of summer.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Leucent

Not embarrased at all. If you don t think it s going to effect OWPVP, you re fooling yourself. It takes no time to hit 50+ in this game, from what I experienced and read, so , ya it will effect it alot. It s like most games, guildies will be 50+ talking about hitting up some BGs , others are lower, and will just want to hit the BG levels.

You can go on and say it won t effect OWPVP, but you know damn well it will, and probably in a big way.

Again, wild speculation, no facts at all.

You don't even site other games that HAD open world PVP and then how they were impacted by their introduction of instanced PVP ruined them.

Just claiming something is true doesn't make it true, have you played TERA?  Then you should know that open world PVP happens all the time, and that it wont' be changed by a BG system, people kill each other while questing all the time, people camp daily monsters, people get butt hurt and have their guilds hunt down people and put bounties on their heads.

You forget one thing sir, this isn't WoW.  There aren't 2 factions.  Its open world PVP with open faction PVP, its something new, so stop trying to fit it into an old system, an old school of thought.

Edit:  By something new I mean a factionless game that has instanced PVP BG's.  

So what you re saying is facts? I can just as easily say you re speculating, that you know it won t effect it. Come on, you have to know it will. I mean I know you love Tera, but BGs always have and always will effect any OWPVP a game has to offer.

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Leucent

Not embarrased at all. If you don t think it s going to effect OWPVP, you re fooling yourself. It takes no time to hit 50+ in this game, from what I experienced and read, so , ya it will effect it alot. It s like most games, guildies will be 50+ talking about hitting up some BGs , others are lower, and will just want to hit the BG levels.

You can go on and say it won t effect OWPVP, but you know damn well it will, and probably in a big way.

Again, wild speculation, no facts at all.

You don't even site other games that HAD open world PVP and then how they were impacted by their introduction of instanced PVP ruined them.

Just claiming something is true doesn't make it true, have you played TERA?  Then you should know that open world PVP happens all the time, and that it wont' be changed by a BG system, people kill each other while questing all the time, people camp daily monsters, people get butt hurt and have their guilds hunt down people and put bounties on their heads.

You forget one thing sir, this isn't WoW.  There aren't 2 factions.  Its open world PVP with open faction PVP, its something new, so stop trying to fit it into an old system, an old school of thought.

Edit:  By something new I mean a factionless game that has instanced PVP BG's.  

So what you re saying is facts? I can just as easily say you re speculating, that you know it won t effect it. Come on, you have to know it will. I mean I know you love Tera, but BGs always have and always will effect any OWPVP a game has to offer.

Name an mmo with no factions that has open world PVP that added in instanced PVP, then explain how it was effected negatively by the introduction of instanced PVP.

Oh you can't?

That would be my point.

Edit: Not sure what my loving or not loving TERA has anything to do with you making wild baseless assumptions, which have literally no leg to stand upon.

Originally posted by Yamota

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Battlegrounds are more easily accessable then open PvP, unless you want to go on a ganking spree.

As for this update, when is it scheduled for?

Of course they are. All instanced content is more accessible than it's open counterpart. That's why we see more themepark based mmorpgs and features than sandbox ones. Seeking fun instead of having it handed to you will always be more pleasant in the short term. Aren't we getting tired of that approach though? Or when Archeage finally arrives we'll be up in arms demanding it to become a clone of what we've already been playing, while at the same time whine that we've been playing the exact same way for so long?

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Xasapis

Well, the game already has something that other games don't have in terms of PvP, ie factionless open world PvP. I guess battlegrounds are a necessity for those with limited time that want a quick PvP fix in a controlled environment. Personally I don't see how would anyone choose battlegrounds over open world PvP unless:

• battlegrounds offer huge rewards
• time is limited

Battlegrounds are more easily accessable then open PvP, unless you want to go on a ganking spree.

As for this update, when is it scheduled for?

"Before the end of Summer"

"By the end of summer"

depends on which website you look at, but its something about the end of summer.

Ok, will take a break from TERA until then and hope that you can level through battlegrounds. Cool combat or not, I can't stand leveling through PvE, it is just so repetetive and dull.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Leucent

Not embarrased at all. If you don t think it s going to effect OWPVP, you re fooling yourself. It takes no time to hit 50+ in this game, from what I experienced and read, so , ya it will effect it alot. It s like most games, guildies will be 50+ talking about hitting up some BGs , others are lower, and will just want to hit the BG levels.

You can go on and say it won t effect OWPVP, but you know damn well it will, and probably in a big way.

Again, wild speculation, no facts at all.

You don't even site other games that HAD open world PVP and then how they were impacted by their introduction of instanced PVP ruined them.

Just claiming something is true doesn't make it true, have you played TERA?  Then you should know that open world PVP happens all the time, and that it wont' be changed by a BG system, people kill each other while questing all the time, people camp daily monsters, people get butt hurt and have their guilds hunt down people and put bounties on their heads.

You forget one thing sir, this isn't WoW.  There aren't 2 factions.  Its open world PVP with open faction PVP, its something new, so stop trying to fit it into an old system, an old school of thought.

Edit:  By something new I mean a factionless game that has instanced PVP BG's.  

So what you re saying is facts? I can just as easily say you re speculating, that you know it won t effect it. Come on, you have to know it will. I mean I know you love Tera, but BGs always have and always will effect any OWPVP a game has to offer.

Name an mmo with no factions that has open world PVP that added in instanced PVP, then explain how it was effected negatively by the introduction of instanced PVP.

Oh you can't?

That would be my point.

Edit: Not sure what my loving or not loving TERA has anything to do with you making wild baseless assumptions, which have literally no leg to stand upon.

Lol, I can t name one, but that is my point. An OWPVP game adding BG s in the first place id a joke, now you want to argue the fact that it won t effect OWPVP. That is just laughable.

Now tell me how it can t effect it.

Oh you can't? I thought so.

Originally posted by Leucent

Lol, I can t name one, but that is my point. An OWPVP game adding BG s in the first place id a joke, now you want to argue the fact that it won t effect OWPVP. That is just laughable.

Now tell me how it can t effect it.

Oh you can't? I thought so.

You still don't get it do you?

You are assuming, based off literally your gut, that this game will be NEGATIVELY effected by instanced PVP, even though there is absoultely NOTHING to support this belief.

We get it, you don't like it, you can say you don't like it, but to then say that  you some how KNOW it will be negatively impacted is just arrogant and silly.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Xasapis

Well, the game already has something that other games don't have in terms of PvP, ie factionless open world PvP. I guess battlegrounds are a necessity for those with limited time that want a quick PvP fix in a controlled environment. Personally I don't see how would anyone choose battlegrounds over open world PvP unless:

• battlegrounds offer huge rewards
• time is limited

Battlegrounds are more easily accessable then open PvP, unless you want to go on a ganking spree.

As for this update, when is it scheduled for?

"Before the end of Summer"

"By the end of summer"

depends on which website you look at, but its something about the end of summer.

Ok, will take a break from TERA until then and hope that you can level through battlegrounds. Cool combat or not, I can't stand leveling through PvE, it is just so repetetive and dull.

You will not be able to level through them, they will be high level only.

I'm sorry you don't like the PVE this game has to offer, its far more flavor than any other theme park I've played in the past decade.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Leucent

Lol, I can t name one, but that is my point. An OWPVP game adding BG s in the first place id a joke, now you want to argue the fact that it won t effect OWPVP. That is just laughable.

Now tell me how it can t effect it.

Oh you can't? I thought so.

You still don't get it do you?

You are assuming, based off literally your gut, that this game will be NEGATIVELY effected by instanced PVP, even though there is absoultely NOTHING to support this belief.

We get it, you don't like it, you can say you don't like it, but to then say that  you some how KNOW it will be negatively impacted is just arrogant and silly.

 

No it s you that doesn t get it. I have nothing to support it, except that BGs have effected any form of OWPVP in any game in existance. You seem to think, Tera is untouchable in this matter. Well, supporting facts or not, I m right, theres no way in hell it won t effect it. Think about it, and if you need me to explain it one more time, I will.

Tera doesn t have BGs now, they re adding them for 50+. People are like sheep, and want instant gratification. Any OWPVP at 50+ will be effected when BGs come in. Why because people want it easy. They won t want to go look for it, when they can press a button and wait for it.

So to sum it up. You re speculating as much as I am, that it won t happen, but history shows us that it will. Keep fighting the good fight, and tell me it won t , but we all know it will.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Xasapis

Well, the game already has something that other games don't have in terms of PvP, ie factionless open world PvP. I guess battlegrounds are a necessity for those with limited time that want a quick PvP fix in a controlled environment. Personally I don't see how would anyone choose battlegrounds over open world PvP unless:

• battlegrounds offer huge rewards
• time is limited

Battlegrounds are more easily accessable then open PvP, unless you want to go on a ganking spree.

As for this update, when is it scheduled for?

"Before the end of Summer"

"By the end of summer"

depends on which website you look at, but its something about the end of summer.

Ok, will take a break from TERA until then and hope that you can level through battlegrounds. Cool combat or not, I can't stand leveling through PvE, it is just so repetetive and dull.

You will not be able to level through them, they will be high level only.

I'm sorry you don't like the PVE this game has to offer, its far more flavor than any other theme park I've played in the past decade.

 

Well it isn't this game's PvE but rather most games PvE. They are linear, boxed in and not very challenging unless you try on something much higher than you which will then be much harder but nowhere near worth the rewards, I think exp is capped or something because sometimes I try and kill mobs maybe 6-7 levels higher than me and they just give marginally more exp than one a couple of levels higher. PvE in MMORPGs just isn't interesting enough...