Indeed! I'm calling BS on the notion that there is this mythical mass of players that want a sandbox virtual world MMO. If there was one, I would hear about it, devs would see it, and there would be games for that crowd. As it stands, there's hardly one, and it has been like that for so long that merely saying there hasn't been the right one yet is not going to cut it. Many have tried, many have failed and even if these games were any good they would've showed much more interest from the public, don't you think?

How can you have a "massive" virtual world when you only have a handful of players to fill it. And how can you get funding to something that has such a small audience. You are doomed to wander from indie game to indie game...

Admit it. You are to rest of the MMORPG players what LARPers are to P&P role players. "Regular people" snicker at people who play D&D but everyone laughs at LARPers (no offense meant - but they do).

Ben "Yahtzee" Crosshaw hit the nail in the head: -"Eve players are to nerds what nerds are to normal people."

Even if some recent themeparks have failed or will fail in your eyes, I'm quite confident in saying that there will be no major shift towards sandboxes of any sort. People still love themeparks - they just don't like shitty games, thats all.

Originally posted by Quirhid

Indeed! I'm calling BS on the notion that there is this mythical mass of players that want a sandbox virtual world MMO. If there was one, I would hear about it, devs would see it, and there would be games for that crowd. As it stands, there's hardly one, and it has been like that for so long that merely saying there hasn't been the right one yet is not going to cut it. Many have tried, many have failed and even if these games were any good they would've showed much more interest from the public, don't you think?

How can you have a "massive" virtual world when you only have a handful of players to fill it. And how can you get funding to something that has such a small audience. You are doomed to wander from indie game to indie game...

Admit it. You are to rest of the MMORPG players what LARPers are to P&P role players. "Regular people" snicker at people who play D&D but everyone laughs at LARPers (no offense meant - but they do).

Ben "Yahtzee" Crosshaw hit the nail in the head: -"Eve players are to nerds what nerds are to normal people."

Even if some recent themeparks have failed or will fail in your eyes, I'm quite confident in saying that there will be no major shift towards sandboxes of any sort. People still love themeparks - they just don't like shitty games, thats all.

duno, but could that be the reason it is refered to as "niche" game, or rather system, or whatever?

just a thought ^^

1. I agree

2. /popcorn

Originally posted by Quirhid

Indeed! I'm calling BS on the notion that there is this mythical mass of players that want a sandbox virtual world MMO. If there was one, I would hear about it, devs would see it, and there would be games for that crowd. As it stands, there's hardly one, and it has been like that for so long that merely saying there hasn't been the right one yet is not going to cut it. Many have tried, many have failed and even if these games were any good they would've showed much more interest from the public, don't you think?

How can you have a "massive" virtual world when you only have a handful of players to fill it. And how can you get funding to something that has such a small audience. You are doomed to wander from indie game to indie game...

Admit it. You are to rest of the MMORPG players what LARPers are to P&P role players. "Regular people" snicker at people who play D&D but everyone laughs at LARPers (no offense meant - but they do).

Ben "Yahtzee" Crosshaw hit the nail in the head: -"Eve players are to nerds what nerds are to normal people."

Even if some recent themeparks have failed or will fail in your eyes, I'm quite confident in saying that there will be no major shift towards sandboxes of any sort. People still love themeparks - they just don't like shitty games, thats all.

So now that you are done belittling everyone and their opinion and taste, do you have any arguments besides your "feeling" and the absence of evidence.

Because the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

There are games for that crowd and one (EvE) is actually pretty big.

Agreed, if they wanted a sandbox they wouldn't be discussing themeparks games, and would probably be subbed to a sandbox.

Originally posted by Quirhid

  As it stands, there's hardly one, and it has been like that for so long that merely saying there hasn't been the right one yet is not going to cut it. Many have tried, many have failed and even if these games were any good they would've showed much more interest from the public, don't you think?

 

you just prove a point against your point.....there hasnt been a good one in forever. Eve can be considered good. wasnbt my cup of tea. SWG was the 2nd largest MMO out there till WoW hit. but SWG was bug riddles mess(still my fav mmo tho)

name me a good sandbox since SWG/EvE?

Originally posted by Sebali

Originally posted by Quirhid

  As it stands, there's hardly one, and it has been like that for so long that merely saying there hasn't been the right one yet is not going to cut it. Many have tried, many have failed and even if these games were any good they would've showed much more interest from the public, don't you think?

 

you just prove a point against your point.....there hasnt been a good one in forever. Eve can be considered good. wasnbt my cup of tea. SWG was the 2nd largest MMO out there till WoW hit. but SWG was bug riddles mess(still my fav mmo tho)

 

name me a good sandbox since SWG/EvE?

A tale in the desert.

Wurms Online

There hasn't been a GOOD sandbox since wow came out and everyone tried to be them.  A good sandbox would be hard to make, the clowns in this industry can't even make good theme parks any more. Themepark mmos are mmo to the lowest common denominator designed for generation "ME".

Originally posted by Coman

There are games for that crowd and one (EvE) is actually pretty big.

Aren't EVE subs less than the "failure" SWTOR? Why the double standard?

Heard great things about eve, but I don't want to play a game where i am a space ship. 

EvE has been around for almost a decade and continues to grow in popularity
ArcheAge and World of Darkness are two of the most highly anticipated MMOs on this site
Minecraft has a huge following
Elder Scrolls and Fable series have sold millions
Second Life is still going strong with millions of accounts

Thats just off the top of my head.

Originally posted by Quirhid

Indeed! I'm calling BS on the notion that there is this mythical mass of players that want a sandbox virtual world MMO. If there was one, I would hear about it, devs would see it, and there would be games for that crowd. As it stands, there's hardly one, and it has been like that for so long that merely saying there hasn't been the right one yet is not going to cut it. Many have tried, many have failed and even if these games were any good they would've showed much more interest from the public, don't you think?

How can you have a "massive" virtual world when you only have a handful of players to fill it. And how can you get funding to something that has such a small audience. You are doomed to wander from indie game to indie game...

Admit it. You are to rest of the MMORPG players what LARPers are to P&P role players. "Regular people" snicker at people who play D&D but everyone laughs at LARPers (no offense meant - but they do).

Ben "Yahtzee" Crosshaw hit the nail in the head: -"Eve players are to nerds what nerds are to normal people."

Even if some recent themeparks have failed or will fail in your eyes, I'm quite confident in saying that there will be no major shift towards sandboxes of any sort. People still love themeparks - they just don't like shitty games, thats all.

You are right. There isnt some Massive Sandbox fanbase. At least when you compare it to the Themepark fanbase.

That has always been obvious.

However, there is a good number of Sandbox fans out there. Id harzard a guess of 500k-1mill.

Thats not exactly "niche". That would be a damned good subscriber base for any Dev company willing to put in the effort to create something great for that demographic

People don't like shitty sandbox games anymore than people like shitty themeparks. That's why the majority of devs who have 'tried' have failed. They simply didn't, or couldn't, put in the effort required and brought out a shitty game.

Another problem facing the sandbox crowd is that no one can seem to agree on what a sancbox actually is. There are too many small niche groups. And, recently only the FFA full loot niche has been targeted by the indy crowd, which is another reason for the failures, that's not what every sandbox fan wants.

The fans are there, the games are not.

Originally posted by DannyGlover

EvE has been around for almost a decade and continues to grow in popularity
ArcheAge and World of Darkness are two of the most highly anticipated MMOs on this site
Minecraft has a huge following
Elder Scrolls and Fable series have sold millions
Second Life is still going strong with millions of accounts

Thats just off the top of my head.

EVE I think is the prime example of this.

As sandbox as it gets , it's one of the few mmorpg's that has grown subs over the years and not immediately lost subs after launch.

Originally posted by Coman

Originally posted by Sebali

Originally posted by Quirhid

  As it stands, there's hardly one, and it has been like that for so long that merely saying there hasn't been the right one yet is not going to cut it. Many have tried, many have failed and even if these games were any good they would've showed much more interest from the public, don't you think?

 

you just prove a point against your point.....there hasnt been a good one in forever. Eve can be considered good. wasnbt my cup of tea. SWG was the 2nd largest MMO out there till WoW hit. but SWG was bug riddles mess(still my fav mmo tho)

 

name me a good sandbox since SWG/EvE?

A tale in the desert.

Wurms Online

trid wurm. didnt like it.

never tried tail in the desert.

but considering their combined subs are less than...well most anything....I would say the public doesnt consider them "good"

There are enough sandbox players to more-than-fund two sandbox MMG demos on Kickstarter:

Pathfinder Online

Embers of Caerus

Those are just demos. The people funding them don't even get a finished game for their investment.

Originally posted by Chrisbox

Agreed, if they wanted a sandbox they wouldn't be discussing themeparks games, and would probably be subbed to a sandbox.

The choice of Sanbox games out are limited and even then most are as bad, if not worse than the Themeparks

Originally posted by Sebali

 

 

name me a good sandbox since SWG/EvE?

Define, "good," in a non-subjective manner ?

DayZ is taking over right now and we get a thread like this lol