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  Kyleran

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5/30/12 8:40:07 AM#41
Originally posted by Elsabolts
Originally posted by Kyleran

I'm actually putting some hope that World of Darkness will be the MMO that next suprises me some, but only because of my past good experience with CCP/EVE.

Meanwhile, I've learned to "find the fun" in almost any new title out there, regardless if it doesn't knock my socks off with innovation or what not.

May not keep me engrossed for more than a few months, but what the heck, that's better than single player games so no harm, no foul.

 

Kyleran how do you see a good experience in CCP/EVE with what GoonSquad has been doing and all the suicide ganking in high section space ?

 

OK, first of all, I'm not currently playing, so recent Goodswarm antics had no impact to me when I was.  (in fact, my corporation was allied with the Goonswarm during my last go around)

Second, I don't mine, so the impact would be minimal on my activities, and if I did mine, I might feel differently.

But even so, EVE is an interesting world, and the actions such as Hulkageedon only serve to encourage (OK force) players to alter their tactics to accomodate the changing landscape. (like stop mining in the target ships, learn to fly a miner Osprey again)

Take the recent burn Jita event.  I would have quickly shifted all my commerce to the Amarr homeworlds or one of the other major market hubs and it would have had almost no impact on me.

Also, were I a miner, I'd probably join up with a good 0.0 corp and start mining out in their space, since there would be greater (not perfect) protection if I learned to fly smart and of course, they could always provide cover fire if things got really intense.

What you need to understand is that actions such as the Goons take result in shaking players from their comfort zones, which is why CCP does very little to restrict their activites, because that's what EVE is supposed to be about, white knuckle excitement that challenges your paradyms and makes you come up with new ways to profit and thrive.

It does mean the player loses control of the situation, which I realize many players find undesireable, but in my case it's the randomness of it all that actually makes the game more fun, not less, at least to my gaming tastes.

 

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  cutthecrap

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5/30/12 8:40:37 AM#42

GW2, TSW, Firefall, Planetside 2, ArcheAge, Dust 514, some time after that World of Darkness, Undead Labs' zombie MMO, Defiance.

Maybe not 1 single MMO can trump WoW in subs and player base, and maybe a core will stick in WoW no matter what. But I think there'll be hordes of people that'll find at least one of the upcoming MMO's appealing or 1 of its side branches (MMORTS, multiplay online RPG's, MMO type mods). 'Death by a 1000 cuts', or in the case of WoW 'decline by a 1000 cuts'.

 

We'll see at the end of this year, when a number of those MMO's have been launched or will be well on their way to launching and when Blizzard's annual sub campaign has expired, how much WoW will have then. Chances are very slim that it'll be 10 million subs, or anywhere near it.

  BadSpock

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5/30/12 8:43:05 AM#43
Originally posted by palulalula
Originally posted by colddog04

That's a pretty cynical view.

Well it is not. Do you see maybe in near future some special title that gives you some  fast heart beats??? Well i see some  ''good average'' games but nothing super awesome and huge, something what was never before created

Guild Wars 2.

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Looking Towards: Destiny

  knallpulver

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5/30/12 9:11:22 AM#44

GW2 is the upcoming big thing in my opinion.... TSW could be good too....

But even though I like those, they are not the kind of MMO's a dream of... And I agree that no company is innovative enough....

Right now I'm hoping for some more hardcore games.... Doesn't need to be too hardcore, but at least not as casual as the one out right now.....

World of Darkness is the only MMO made by a big company that I could see be differnet and new enough.... Then there is small companies with some awesome ideas, but they have a hard time with the low budget..... Pathfinder Online is a MMO I'm looking forward to know more about.....

  Istavaan

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5/30/12 9:17:00 AM#45

wow will look like pong in 8 years time, the engine for that game is on its last legs, they might get one more expansion out of it.

  Quizzical

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5/30/12 9:26:23 AM#46

There will be games that launch in the next eight years that haven't even been announced yet.  In some cases, there will be games that launch in the next eight years for which work hasn't even been started yet.  Eight years is a long time.

  Skuz

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5/30/12 9:28:19 AM#47
Originally posted by palulalula

Teams are creating tons of new games and in fact not one is something special.

To you maybe.

For f sake where is their imagination, how is that possible that not one single team of developers is not able to create some kind of mysterious world full of intrigues like it was with single player rpg  Elder Scrolls.

Because it is so many times more difficult to build that kind of an experience into anything other than a single-player game, if you think it is so easy why haven't YOU done it?

Now they give us that wanna be Oblivion Online mmo! What a crap is that??? First part of Elder looks 10 x better than this peace of s... .

Played it have you? No? Then you don't know wtf you are talking about. MMO's almost never look anything like as good as single-player games but, this argument is always trotted out by the usual trolls, same trolls often also start spouting the gameplay is more important than graphics lines when it suits their argument.

I think Blizzard don't need to be afraid for another 8 years with that stupid fast preorder of ''not finished mmo's''. Shame on all of this teams who tried to sell us that crap in advance, never ever i will preorder any mmo again. Problem is that they will destroy mmo market with this crappy games and not one smart company will invest any large amount of money in to mmo again. Well, excpt Blizzard.

Blizzard (with WoW) are outside of the park of "regular MMO's" a lot of the criteria that are necessary for smaller games (all of them) just don't apply to WoW, it's an outlier & is the only one of it's kind, any sensible critique acknowledges this & avoids constantly using it as an example because it is not a good example if it is the only one

You come off as a former WoW fanboi that's fed up of WoW & wants some competition but you don't offer up any suggestions of what it is you want, so I put it to you that you don't in actual fact know what you want, & you instead only focus on the things you don't want, which basicly boils down to everything.

Why are you playing MMO's?

I play SWTOR, enjoy it, stillplay WoW a bit & will eventually play both those less when GW2 & TSW release, I'm looking forward to what TESO will do as an MMO but I, unlike many detractors, am not looking for it to be Skyrim et al with massively multiplayer bolted on, I am looking for it to be an MMO set in the same "universe" as those games.

Maybe you should leave MMO's alone, I don't think you will find what you are looking for because you don't even know what that is.

  Wickedjelly

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5/30/12 9:29:25 AM#48

It can rule for the next twenty for all the hell I care.

What matters to me is what I enjoy. Which it appears GW2 and TSW will do nicely. Frankly, I think GW2 is going to do incredibly well anyways.

No idea if it will "rule" or not though.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  User Deleted
5/30/12 9:35:50 AM#49

WoW will rule until Blizzard unveils their new mmo. Someone else with real vision and some luck involved can overtake WoW. I just don't see it happening anytime soon though.

  Naevius

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5/30/12 11:25:25 AM#50

Based on observing a bunch of my younger relatives:

Many (maybe most) of the people who play WoW aren't looking for another MMO, in fact they may not even be aware of other MMOs or that the genre even exists per se. They just play WoW.

The whole notion of a 'WoW-killer' is flawed because it assumes people would switch to a 'better' game, but that is only true for a relatively small number of players who switch MMOs regularly.

  UOvet

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5/30/12 11:31:26 AM#51

My hope lies with Planetside 2, Guild Wars 2, and hopefully they bring ArcheAge over here. World of Darkness sounds interesting, but there is literally nothing on the game so I doubt we'll see it for a good 3-4 years.

 

Give me a sandbox, please! The Repopulation looks interesting as well..it's a sandbox.

  UOvet

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5/30/12 11:33:19 AM#52
Originally posted by Skuz
Originally posted by palulalula

Teams are creating tons of new games and in fact not one is something special.

To you maybe.

For f sake where is their imagination, how is that possible that not one single team of developers is not able to create some kind of mysterious world full of intrigues like it was with single player rpg  Elder Scrolls.

Because it is so many times more difficult to build that kind of an experience into anything other than a single-player game, if you think it is so easy why haven't YOU done it?

Now they give us that wanna be Oblivion Online mmo! What a crap is that??? First part of Elder looks 10 x better than this peace of s... .

Played it have you? No? Then you don't know wtf you are talking about. MMO's almost never look anything like as good as single-player games but, this argument is always trotted out by the usual trolls, same trolls often also start spouting the gameplay is more important than graphics lines when it suits their argument.

I think Blizzard don't need to be afraid for another 8 years with that stupid fast preorder of ''not finished mmo's''. Shame on all of this teams who tried to sell us that crap in advance, never ever i will preorder any mmo again. Problem is that they will destroy mmo market with this crappy games and not one smart company will invest any large amount of money in to mmo again. Well, excpt Blizzard.

Blizzard (with WoW) are outside of the park of "regular MMO's" a lot of the criteria that are necessary for smaller games (all of them) just don't apply to WoW, it's an outlier & is the only one of it's kind, any sensible critique acknowledges this & avoids constantly using it as an example because it is not a good example if it is the only one

You come off as a former WoW fanboi that's fed up of WoW & wants some competition but you don't offer up any suggestions of what it is you want, so I put it to you that you don't in actual fact know what you want, & you instead only focus on the things you don't want, which basicly boils down to everything.

Why are you playing MMO's?

I play SWTOR, enjoy it, stillplay WoW a bit & will eventually play both those less when GW2 & TSW release, I'm looking forward to what TESO will do as an MMO but I, unlike many detractors, am not looking for it to be Skyrim et al with massively multiplayer bolted on, I am looking for it to be an MMO set in the same "universe" as those games.

Maybe you should leave MMO's alone, I don't think you will find what you are looking for because you don't even know what that is.

 

Not sure how Elder Scrolls Online can even be called an MMO. They said in an article you won't run into people, not to mention it seems like nobody even cares about this game so why are they making it as if people been asking about it for 10 years? I don't think anyone cares about this game....and it's not an MMO.

  Slampig

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5/30/12 11:36:54 AM#53
Originally posted by palulalula

Teams are creating tons of new games and in fact not one is something special. For f sake where is their imagination, how is that possible that not one single team of developers is not able to create some kind of mysterious world full of intrigues like it was with single player rpg  Elder Scrolls. Now they give us that wanna be Oblivion Online mmo! What a crap is that??? First part of Elder looks 10 x better than this peace of s... . I think Blizzard don't need to be afraid for another 8 years with that stupid fast preorder of ''not finished mmo's''. Shame on all of this teams who tried to sell us that crap in advance, never ever i will preorder any mmo again. Problem is that they will destroy mmo market with this crappy games and not one smart company will invest any large amount of money in to mmo again. Well, excpt Blizzard

This is all from your perspective. I personally don't like the way a bunch of games are seemingly shaping up, but there are a few cool looking ones coming, in my opinion.

 

I am hyped for The Secret World and especially ArcheAge. I am also really interested in the Game of Thrones title, that looks like it might have some promise.

 

But like I said, it is all perspective. 

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  DJJazzy

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5/30/12 11:40:25 AM#54

So what?

Really what does it matter if WoW is the most sucessful mmo. Just play something you enjoy.

As you get older you find you that you don't care what other people think of you. Same thing here applies.

  Kanester

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5/30/12 11:41:35 AM#55
Originally posted by palulalula
Originally posted by colddog04

That's a pretty cynical view.

Well it is not. Do you see maybe in near future some special title that gives you some  fast heart beats??? Well i see some  ''good average'' games but nothing super awesome and huge, something what was never before created

 

Planetside 2 will get your heart beating.

  waynejr2

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5/30/12 11:41:58 AM#56
Originally posted by palulalula
Originally posted by colddog04

That's a pretty cynical view.

Well it is not. Do you see maybe in near future some special title that gives you some  fast heart beats??? Well i see some  ''good average'' games but nothing super awesome and huge, something what was never before created

Do you consider yourself special and therefore need a special game that is the end all be all of gaming?  Extremely unrealistic. 

  Nadia

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5/30/12 12:02:23 PM#57
Originally posted by palulalula

Teams are creating tons of new games and in fact not one is something special.

I see plenty of hope

 

2012 is shaping up to be a good year for mmo releases, none of them seem "wow inspired"

- Guild Wars 2

- Neverwinter

- Secret World

- TERA

 

in contrast,

2011 gave us 3 mmos

2 games largely inspired by WOW  (RIFT and SWTOR) and DCUO

 

will any of the 2012 mmos be a threat to blizzard?  no

but it gives players more choices in what mmo to play

  Loke666

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5/30/12 12:07:29 PM#58
Originally posted by Nadia

I see plenty of hope

2012 is shaping up to be a good year for mmo releases, none of them seem "wow inspired"

- Guild Wars 2

- Neverwinter

- Secret World

- TERA

in contrast,

2011 gave us 3 mmos

2 games largely inspired by WOW  (RIFT and SWTOR) and DCUO

will any of the 2012 mmos be a threat to blizzard?  no

but it gives players more choices in what mmo to play

You never can be really sure about that. Ok, none of them will force Blizz to close down Wow but they might take a bite out of Wows already bleeding subs. I know more than one person who prebought GW2 and plan to close down the Wow account at launch.

  Wolvards

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5/30/12 12:30:13 PM#59

I don't see how you can say that... WoW isn't what it used too, and we have a hand full of games that will cater to a bunch of different play styles. (don't confuse that statement with WoW killer)

GW2, PS2, AA, TSW, EoC. I think the problem with WoW is, is that those playing it and raiding, do NOT want to start over, they've developed multiple characters over years and put in literally months of playtime into them. While they may get bored with the system, there is still enough to do to keep them from starting over.

IMHO the only "WoW killer" is WoW and Blizzard itself. So get off your fanboi seat, and stop expecting every new game to cater to millions of players at once. But do expect all the new games coming out to cater to more players than WoW has. Not one at a time, but all together there is a huge market for these companies, and they will do perfectly fine with or without WoW numbers.

And i'm sorry but to think WoW will be top dog for another 8 years is laughable. Blizzard maybe. I see them offering WoW subbers a special bonus or discount for getting into their new MMO, but to say World of Warcraft will be #1 for almost another decade is fanboism at its finest.

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5/30/12 12:34:13 PM#60
Originally posted by Ezhae
Originally posted by palulalula
Originally posted by colddog04

That's a pretty cynical view.

Well it is not. Do you see maybe in near future some special title that gives you some  fast heart beats??? Well i see some  ''good average'' games but nothing super awesome and huge, something what was never before created

 

 Do people really need some numeric validation of their choice of game? Play what you enjoy, don't give a damn about other games. CoD sells millions of copies each release, loads of people play facebook games and LoL has more subscribers than WoW... thing is, it means pretty much nothing to me, since I'm not interested in either of those. 

 

 ^Truth. I wish everyone thought this way.

 

It bothers me to no end when MMO's release and within days people are spouting their opinions on the future of the game.

 

And all of a sudden, the games success reminds me of a stock in the stock market.

An mmo can do well or tank depending on peoples fears.

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