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  semantikron

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5/29/12 10:39:58 PM#41

And I'll be looking for every possible way to cut corners and still beat you without purchasing gems, even though I make more money than you.  So it all evens out.

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  oxbaker

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5/29/12 10:43:01 PM#42
Originally posted by semantikron

And I'll be looking for every possible way to cut corners and still beat you without purchasing gems, even though I make more money than you.  So it all evens out.

Eh, sounds like too much effort. I'll just pay to win...

  semantikron

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5/29/12 10:56:59 PM#43
Originally posted by oxbaker
Originally posted by semantikron

And I'll be looking for every possible way to cut corners and still beat you without purchasing gems, even though I make more money than you.  So it all evens out.

Eh, sounds like too much effort. I'll just pay to win...

Unless you are paying, and still losing, in which case you are effectively paying to increase my enjoyment.

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  Aque

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House:"People choose the paths that grant them the greatest rewards for the least amount of effort"

5/29/12 10:57:37 PM#44

There supposed to make it so you can buy CS items with in-game currency.

So if your in a hurry you pay money-

If you play and your not in a hurry, just buy it all with in-game currency.

If they change it so players cant exchange currency (Which I heard they CAN exchange)

This would be my take on it...... Other wise I probly wont buy the game.

  fiontar

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5/29/12 10:59:31 PM#45

There is nothing wrong with these kits being sold in the cash shop, or the cash shop in general.

You compare the cost of rare mats to the cost of getting those rare mats via 25% or 50% salvage kits. You determine how much you value gold/gems/cash and decide if it's even worth the cost to get rare components via salvage, vs. just buying the rare mats on the GLOBAL Trading Post.

The sense of value will vary from person to person. If you have more cash than time, you may decide buying the kits from the cash shop makes sense. If you have more time than money, you will likely have collected more salvageable items to begin with and you'll have to decide if trading gold for gems to buy these kits is more or less economical than just buying the 25% kits.

Everyone seems to forget that you can exchange gold for gems and vice versa on the GLOBAL in game Trading Post. If the cash shop kits aren't bound on purchase, you'll be able to buy them directly from the marketplace. If they are bound, then you can just buy gems with gold and buy the kits with those gems. It's no different than buying the 25% kits from an NPC vendor, except that the seller is another player and you may, or may not, have an added step of needing to buy gems with your gold as an intermediary step!

Anything in the cash shop can be purchased with gold, by buying gems with your gold and then using the gems in the cash shop. Whether it makes more sense to earn gold playing the game to purchase the gems or just buy the gems for $$$ will depend on how much you value your time and how you see the comparison between the gold cost of gems and the $$$ cost of gems.

It's a perfectly reasonable and fair system balanced by supply/demand and cost/value. I'd also point out that a successful cash shop benefits all players as it helps pay for the game content we all get to enjoy. Someone who spends money in the cash shop is subsidizing the game play of everyone who never spends a cent there. So, even people who lack both time and money benefit from the cash shop system.

You don't need anything from the cash shop to play and enjoy the game, nothing there makes you more powerful and the boons available to those who do spend money in the cash shop are minor when compared to the financial support they provide for the game we all play.

Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated

  letsxhat

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5/29/12 11:14:11 PM#46

NCsoft/Anet need the cash shop to be important. They need YOU to spend money there. They need YOU to need something.

 

It's a necessary evil with this B2P model. Learn to love it.

  DJJazzy

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5/29/12 11:19:37 PM#47

I can play the game just fine without spending a dime on the cash shop.

  atziluth

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5/29/12 11:20:31 PM#48
Originally posted by gestalt11

I was perusing the Guild Wars 2 wiki and noticed the following:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Perfect_Salvage_Kit

 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Salvage_kit

 

If you notice perfect currently can only be gotten from the gem store or from mystic chests which are heavily but no entirely associated with the gem store as well.

Additionally that perfect kit is doubly effective for getting rare materials compared to the next kit.

 

This seems like a huge advantage far more than I think is good to have a in a "reasonable" cash shop.  10% better fine.  But getting double the rare materials back.  Not so fine.

LOL... Have the haters truly run out of things to complain about? The best they can come up with is rare salvage percentages? How is this game breaking exactly? Can all of these items be aquired without spending a dime in the cash shop (including the perfect kit)... YES! 

This is by far one of the most absurd nit picking arguments I have seen put forth about this game. 

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  gestalt11

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OP  5/29/12 11:24:05 PM#49
Originally posted by iller
Originally posted by KingGator

Man, as soon as I have myself talked into the cash shop not sucking and trying this game I read this thread...................................

Apparently you missed all the posts that prove the OP was lying/uninformed.

 

IE:  This thread isn't about what's actually in-game, it's only about what's on the Wiki so far.......

 

Originally posted by Irus

I found like 7 boxes (if not 9) in the stress test and not a single key. I guess I'm one of the unlucky ones. 


Well you're not alone.... I'm up to 9 or 10 chests and not a single key to go with them.

....45 hours total of pure PvE content btw.  I think it's possible that people got them more in PvP b/c the drop tables in PvP aren't quite as level dependent and Anet wants to make sure Crafters have a reason to get to higher level content where I'm assuming Keys will start dropping more often.  Perhaps the starter zones aren't exactly "easy" by most MMO standards but they're definitely not difficult enough for Guildwars "Unusual Trophy" standards.

 

....maybe they just need to reduce the drop-rate for Chests in those lowby zones too?

 

You just called me liar?  That is some sense of arrogance.  Your fanboyism has driven you barking mad.

Uninformed?  That is the OFFICIAL frigging wiki.  OFFICIAL.

 

I posted very little in the way of negative statments or pejorative.  I simply put out some freely available information.  And my posting history about GW2 has been informed and positive.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

  gestalt11

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OP  5/29/12 11:31:16 PM#50
Originally posted by atziluth
Originally posted by gestalt11

I was perusing the Guild Wars 2 wiki and noticed the following:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Perfect_Salvage_Kit

 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Salvage_kit

 

If you notice perfect currently can only be gotten from the gem store or from mystic chests which are heavily but no entirely associated with the gem store as well.

Additionally that perfect kit is doubly effective for getting rare materials compared to the next kit.

 

This seems like a huge advantage far more than I think is good to have a in a "reasonable" cash shop.  10% better fine.  But getting double the rare materials back.  Not so fine.

LOL... Have the haters truly run out of things to complain about? The best they can come up with is rare salvage percentages? How is this game breaking exactly? Can all of these items be aquired without spending a dime in the cash shop (including the perfect kit)... YES! 

This is by far one of the most absurd nit picking arguments I have seen put forth about this game. 

Game breaking is your words not mine.  The hyperbole is yours not mine.  The unreasonable emotion is yours not mine.  There is no hate in my OP.  Therefore the shoe must be on the other foot.  Pyschologoical projection is an amazing thing.

 

You think things like this aren't important.  You think rare materials weren't THE MAIN ITEMS FOR HOLDING VALUE  in GW1?  Cuz if you do you are wrong.

 

Please here is 35 gems.  Buy a clue.  There are number of post in this thread make good counter arguments.  But you just label with ad hominen and then attempt to trivialize something you clearly don't understand.  There is a reason I am not writing this response to fiontar, its because he makes good points.  This is drivel.

 

Meh I will probably get temp banned for telling two people the truth but whatever, its happened before.

  atziluth

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5/29/12 11:45:53 PM#51
Originally posted by gestalt11

Game breaking is your words not mine.  The hyperbole is yours not mine.  The unreasonable emotion is yours not mine.  There is no hate in my OP.  Therefore the shoe must be on the other foot.  Pyschologoical projection is an amazing thing.

You think things like this aren't important.  You think rare materials weren't THE MAIN ITEMS FOR HOLDING VALUE  in GW1?  Cuz if you do you are wrong.

Please here is 35 gems.  Buy a clue.  There are number of post in this thread make good counter arguments.  But you just label with ad hominen and then attempt to trivialize something you clearly don't understand.  There is a reason I am not writing this response to fiontar, its because he makes good points.  This is drivel.

Meh I will probably get temp banned for telling two people the truth but whatever, its happened before.

Is GW2 crafting system anything like GW1? No.

Will rare items hold value which will fluctuate in value depending on the market? Yes.

Will that market be cross server making fluctuations rather minimal? Probably, but we won't be able to tell until months after release.

Can the perfect kit be purchased through gems bought with in game currancy? Yes!

Does that directly impact the availibility of said CS product to the masses? YES!

Does that diminish the advantage of CS buyers? YES!

Does time = CS expenditures even without the ability to purchase CS items with in game currency? YES!

So while people blowing loads of money in the CS have a slight advantage in time investment, that is where the advantage ends period. Now add that items of equal quality can be gained directly through numerous other FREE avenues... and suddenly and measurable advantage dissappears. So my appologies for calling you a hater... You are however making an issue where there is none... For competative PvP these items will literally be worthless. So implying that it is a big deal (end of your OP) is overly dramatic and misleading. You can make excuses to the contrary, but that does not change the ham fisted way you tried to rile up the critics on this board. 

-Atziluth-

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  letsxhat

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5/29/12 11:52:29 PM#52
Originally posted by atziluth
Originally posted by gestalt11

Game breaking is your words not mine.  The hyperbole is yours not mine.  The unreasonable emotion is yours not mine.  There is no hate in my OP.  Therefore the shoe must be on the other foot.  Pyschologoical projection is an amazing thing.

You think things like this aren't important.  You think rare materials weren't THE MAIN ITEMS FOR HOLDING VALUE  in GW1?  Cuz if you do you are wrong.

Please here is 35 gems.  Buy a clue.  There are number of post in this thread make good counter arguments.  But you just label with ad hominen and then attempt to trivialize something you clearly don't understand.  There is a reason I am not writing this response to fiontar, its because he makes good points.  This is drivel.

Meh I will probably get temp banned for telling two people the truth but whatever, its happened before.

Is GW2 crafting system anything like GW1? No.

Will rare items hold value which will fluctuate in value depending on the market? Yes.

Will that market be cross server making fluctuations rather minimal? Probably, but we won't be able to tell until months after release.

Can the perfect kit be purchased through gems bought with in game currancy? Yes!

Does that directly impact the availibility of said CS product to the masses? YES!

Does that diminish the advantage of CS buyers? YES!

Does time = CS expenditures even without the ability to purchase CS items with in game currency? YES!

So while people blowing loads of money in the CS have a slight advantage in time investment, that is where the advantage ends period. Now add that items of equal quality can be gained directly through numerous other FREE avenues... and suddenly and measurable advantage dissappears. So my appologies for calling you a hater... You are however making an issue where there is none... For competative PvP these items will literally be worthless. So implying that it is a big deal (end of your OP) is overly dramatic and misleading. You can make excuses to the contrary, but that does not change the ham fisted way you tried to rile up the critics on this board. 

Sometime the truth does that. Better to get it all out now, than later. The way this shop is and will be used should not be defended by down playing.  NCsoft/Anet need you to support it. You should be saying "hell yeah, I can't wait to by the rare kits!"

  Foncl

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5/29/12 11:55:34 PM#53

It's up to everyone to decide for themselves if they think it's ok or not, I don't think it's ok personally. If the game was F2P I would try it and see how I felt about the cash shop since the game seems to have potential, I'm not willing to pay for the box of a game with items beyond cosmetic items in the cash shop however.

  Thrashbarg

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5/30/12 12:06:50 AM#54
Originally posted by Foncl

It's up to everyone to decide for themselves if they think it's ok or not, I don't think it's ok personally. If the game was F2P I would try it and see how I felt about the cash shop since the game seems to have potential, I'm not willing to pay for the box of a game with items beyond cosmetic items in the cash shop however.

They basically do amount to cosmetic items, as gear with the same stats will be available by other means as well. The only differences between gear will be the way it looks. 

There are more than just cosmetic items though. Some convinience items as well, more bag and bank space mostly. Nothing that gives an unfair advantage in PvP.

  StrixMaxima

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5/30/12 12:15:34 AM#55

I find it extremely amusing the amount of foaming and frothing about something that:

A) Does not influence the game in any significant matter,

B) Is not released in its final iteration yet,

C) can be found in the game,

D) can be purchased with regular gold.

Frankly, folks, if that's the best (or worst) people can complain about GW2, I think we have a real winner in our hands.

I can picture it... "Haha, I bought a Rare Salvage Kit. Now I will be.... invincibleeeeeeeee!"

Let's try to be marginally rational, please.

  DJJazzy

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5/30/12 12:20:27 AM#56
Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Let's try to be marginally rational, please.

That's asking quite a bit on an internet video game forum.

  StrixMaxima

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5/30/12 12:23:09 AM#57
Originally posted by DJJazzy

That's asking quite a bit on an internet video game forum.

I am an optimistic naïve =)

  letsxhat

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5/30/12 12:24:40 AM#58
Originally posted by DJJazzy
Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Let's try to be marginally rational, please.

That's asking quite a bit on an internet video game forum.

As long as it can be obtained in game, it's ok to be sold in the cash shop? That's the argument here, right?

  gaeanprayer

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5/30/12 12:34:38 AM#59

125 gems for a 5 pack of Perfect Salvage kits.

By the end of the beta going from 1-30, on one character, I had 53 silver. That silver bought me over 400 gems.

 

Things like this are precisely why people need to play the game before forming opinions on its mechanics.

 

EDIT - by the way, that's 53 silver AFTER spending the money on craft mats I needed to get my crafts to 150 + deck myself out in Mastercraft level 30 everything +12 slot bags.

"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."

  BeansnBread

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5/30/12 12:38:42 AM#60
Originally posted by gaeanprayer

125 gems for a 5 pack of Perfect Salvage kits.

By the end of the beta going from 1-30, on one character, I had 53 silver. That silver bought me over 400 gems.

 

Things like this are precisely why people need to play the game before forming opinions on its mechanics.

 

EDIT - by the way, that's 53 silver AFTER spending the money on craft mats I needed to get my crafts to 150 + deck myself out in Mastercraft level 30 everything +12 slot bags.

Just so you know, they set the price for buying gems with gold and vice versa artificially in beta.

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