Trending Games | ArcheAge | Guild Wars 2 | WildStar | Warhammer 40K: Eternal Crusade

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,787,523 Users Online:0
Games:723  Posts:6,193,363
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

Hardware  » The video card you should buy today:

3 Pages « 1 2 3 Search
60 posts found
  Quizzical

Guide

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13177

 
OP  5/28/12 8:41:32 PM#41
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Normally I agree with most of the stuff you post, but the 7770 is a piece of crap. 

Just one of the sources I use for GPU stuff: Link

 

They tend to be fairly spot on.

So basically, your argument is, don't buy a Radeon HD 7770 because some synthetic benchmark doesn't like AMD's new GCN architecture?  For example, a Radeon HD 7970 beats a GeForce GTX 580 at nearly everything, and usually by a lot--except that it loses in that synthetic benchmark.  What if AMD optimizes their drivers for that benchmark, and improves performance in the synthetic benchmark by 20% without changing performance in any real games?  Would you then recommend buying a Radeon HD 7950 over a GeForce GTX 680?

  Quizzical

Guide

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13177

 
OP  5/28/12 8:46:49 PM#42
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Op: 7770 is more expensive than the 6850 AND slower, 6850 is THE entry level gaming card (also quicker and cheaper than 550ti)

above that
560gtx
7850
7870
& 680gtx
are also good value

7870 being my pick of the bunch, its like $75 cheaper than 580gtx for simmilar spec

At launch, yes, the 7770 was more expensive than the 6850.  But since then, the 6850 has been discontinued, and prices on it have risen as stocks dwindle.  Meanwhile, AMD has had adequate capacity to justify slashing prices on the 7770.  Today, the 7770 is the cheaper card.  As for faster, the 6850 was a bit faster at launch.  But with AMD heavily working on performance improvements for GCN and not VLIW5, I'd bet on the 7770 being faster a year from now.

The GeForce GTX 560 has basically never been a good value.  The Radeon HD 6870 gives about the same performance, and was nearly always cheaper.  That might change as both cards disappear; the 6870 is surely discontinued, and if the GTX 560 isn't yet, it will be soon.

The problem with the GeForce GTX 680 is that it's nearly a paper launch.  It doesn't matter how it performs if you can't buy it.  The GeForce GTX 670 has somewhat spotty availability, but you can find one at a decent price if you want it.

  Quizzical

Guide

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13177

 
OP  5/28/12 8:50:46 PM#43
Originally posted by caremuchless
Originally posted by Coman

Well I do not dislike the card, but the card seems to be getting hot rather quickly. It has a hard time even in a game like Just Cause 2 and in ARMA2 it can reach up to 80C (I think it hit 82C once) and that is with an extra fan on the side of the panel blowing air in. Without it, the card would most likely reset itself all the time. 

Then again it is rather hot outside as well right now. So giving it the benifit of the doubt. Overall an ok card though for the price. 

 

Just a side note  - Every ATI card I have owned put out way too much heat.

 

And everytime I have seen someone build a full system, and they go with a ATI card, they replace the stock cooler for an aftermarket cooler.

In terms of putting out heat, AMD was a lot better than Nvidia that generation.  It is possible to put an inadequate cooler on a video card (which can make nearly anything overheat), but that's handled by board partners, not AMD or Nvidia.  I don't see any plausible reason why board partners would systematically put inadequate coolers on one vendor's cards and not another's.

Besides, 82 C isn't really a problem.

  Quizzical

Guide

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13177

 
OP  5/28/12 8:52:40 PM#44
Originally posted by Woopin

Once I find anything that can slow down my Overclocked watercooled MSI GTX580 then I will upgrade. But I have found nothing that bogs it down as of yet. But when I upgrade and I will be going for the top card at the time buying a water block and overclocking as I always do.

I love the GTX cards if I am honest so I would of gone for the GTX680 for sure.

If you've already got a nice card today, then sure, keep it.  But that doesn't mean it makes sense to buy new today.

  Gaia_Hunter

Elite Member

Joined: 5/04/12
Posts: 2563

5/29/12 4:40:23 AM#45

To answer the posts about high temperature ATI cards.

The heat generated by a card is stricky dependent of its power consumption - higher power consumption more heat generated.The temperature your card reports only talk about the efficiency of the cooler at dissipating that heat.

Now the problem is, even though a higher consumption card can keep its temperature cooler, the heat generated has to go somewhere - the case and the room, and it will increase the temperature of its surroundings.

So a case with a 50ºC GTX480 will be warmer than the same case with a 80ºC 4850 (since the GTX480 consumes much more power but apparently it has a much more powerful and expensive cooler and probably noisier as well unless it is a water block), increasing the temperature of the other components like the CPU.

The bottom line:

- graphic card GPUs can operate normally at temperatures as high as 90+ºC ;

- temperature and heat are not the same thing;

- a lower temperature operating card can raise the temperature of a case/room more than a higher temperature operating card if it consumes more power;

- temperature of the GPU is dependant of both the cooling system and its power consumption.

Currently playing: GW2
Cooperative (semi cooperative)board games you should check: Pandemic, Sentinels of the Multiverse, Eldritch Horror, Descent 2.0,Level 7 Omega Protocol, Last Night on Earth

  ShakyMo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

5/29/12 5:22:05 AM#46
Plus heat isn't an issue with AMD cards since 6000 series, if anything they eat less power / make less heat than equivelent nvidias. High end 4000 were massive power hogs though.
  Gaia_Hunter

Elite Member

Joined: 5/04/12
Posts: 2563

5/29/12 6:01:12 AM#47

 


Originally posted by ShakyMo Plus heat isn't an issue with AMD cards since 6000 series, if anything they eat less power / make less heat than equivelent nvidias. High end 4000 were massive power hogs though.

The 4800 series were still comparable to NVIDIA cards of similar performance at load but were quite worse at idle (although that won't create much heat).

 

And 5000 series were much more efficient in therms of performance/W than the GTX400 series.

With the GTX600 vs the 7900/7800 series things are a bit closer in performance/W.

Currently playing: GW2
Cooperative (semi cooperative)board games you should check: Pandemic, Sentinels of the Multiverse, Eldritch Horror, Descent 2.0,Level 7 Omega Protocol, Last Night on Earth

  caremuchless

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/19/11
Posts: 594

Whether you believe you can or believe you cannot, you are right.

5/29/12 10:00:17 AM#48
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by caremuchless

Just a side note  - Every ATI card I have owned put out way too much heat.

 

And everytime I have seen someone build a full system, and they go with a ATI card, they replace the stock cooler for an aftermarket cooler.

I agree with you. My 5770 HD used to run very hot. I had to upgrade my case just for SWTOR. The overheating issues were crazy. I never had any heating issues with my 8800GT alpha dog.

Just to clarify, I wasn't saying it to bash the card. But every builder I saw that went this route, knew the cards would need an aftermarket cooler and built accordingly. 

  Edeus

Novice Member

Joined: 6/10/10
Posts: 513

5/29/12 10:12:24 AM#49

Just when I was building my pc, an article like this is made.  How convenient!

I was thinking of getting a GTX 570 (because it's cheaper) while spending my money on a gen2 i7 2600.

 

What do you think: save money on the GPX card and spend it on the cpu?  Or spend money on the GPX card and save money on the CPU?  (I'm not in the budget of spending huge amounts on both.)

 

Taru-Gallante-Blood elf-Elysean-Kelari-Crime Fighting-Imperial Agent

  Quizzical

Guide

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13177

 
OP  5/29/12 10:30:44 AM#50
Originally posted by caremuchless
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by caremuchless

Just a side note  - Every ATI card I have owned put out way too much heat.

 

And everytime I have seen someone build a full system, and they go with a ATI card, they replace the stock cooler for an aftermarket cooler.

I agree with you. My 5770 HD used to run very hot. I had to upgrade my case just for SWTOR. The overheating issues were crazy. I never had any heating issues with my 8800GT alpha dog.

Just to clarify, I wasn't saying it to bash the card. But every builder I saw that went this route, knew the cards would need an aftermarket cooler and built accordingly. 

Do you mean "non-reference cooler" (which would include most cards, whether AMD or Nvidia), "non-reference card with a premium cooler" (e.g., MSI Twin Frozr or Sapphire Toxic), or "buy a card and buy a heatsink separately and then replace the heatsink that came with the card"?  It makes a big difference.  Thinking you need the last of those three is silly.

  Quizzical

Guide

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13177

 
OP  5/29/12 10:38:48 AM#51
Originally posted by Edeus

Just when I was building my pc, an article like this is made.  How convenient!

I was thinking of getting a GTX 570 (because it's cheaper) while spending my money on a gen2 i7 2600.

 

What do you think: save money on the GPX card and spend it on the cpu?  Or spend money on the GPX card and save money on the CPU?  (I'm not in the budget of spending huge amounts on both.)

 

I'd sooner save money up front on the video card, because a video card is easier to upgrade later.

But it looks like you're confused about processors and could probably do both.  Get a Core i5-3570K, not a Core i7-2600K.  For gaming purposes, that's both better and cheaper.

Then the question is whether you can fit a GeForce GTX 670 into your budget or not.

Make sure you get a good SSD, though, as it definitely fits your budget if you were looking at a Core i7 processor.

  caremuchless

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/19/11
Posts: 594

Whether you believe you can or believe you cannot, you are right.

5/29/12 10:41:34 AM#52
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by caremuchless
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by caremuchless

Just a side note  - Every ATI card I have owned put out way too much heat.

 

And everytime I have seen someone build a full system, and they go with a ATI card, they replace the stock cooler for an aftermarket cooler.

I agree with you. My 5770 HD used to run very hot. I had to upgrade my case just for SWTOR. The overheating issues were crazy. I never had any heating issues with my 8800GT alpha dog.

Just to clarify, I wasn't saying it to bash the card. But every builder I saw that went this route, knew the cards would need an aftermarket cooler and built accordingly. 

Do you mean "non-reference cooler" (which would include most cards, whether AMD or Nvidia), "non-reference card with a premium cooler" (e.g., MSI Twin Frozr or Sapphire Toxic), or "buy a card and buy a heatsink separately and then replace the heatsink that came with the card"?  It makes a big difference.  Thinking you need the last of those three is silly.

At the time, the card I was looking at that ATI made (can't remember exactly which one) was notorious for having cooling issues. Most of the posters at maximumpc.com that went this route replaced the stock cooler and replaced it with an aftermarket cooler. But they are pc enthusiasts.

 

If a specific card is known for heat issues and having poor stock cooling, it is entirely reasonable to replace the aftermarket cooler. A lot of those guys like to overclock to so, yeah. It makes sense.

  UtukuMoon

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/03/11
Posts: 1109

5/29/12 10:52:00 AM#53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

  Amana

MMORPG.COM Staff

Joined: 1/03/11
Posts: 2341

5/29/12 11:18:03 AM#54

Moved it over for you.

To give feedback on moderation, contact community@mmorpg.com

  ShakyMo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

5/29/12 11:33:29 AM#55
Which ever chips you go with choose a good manufacturer like msi, evga or asus.

Bit less if an issue with AMD as they're a bit stricter on licensing, but with your nvidias there's a good reason that evga card is $25 more expensive than the "cheap" one.
  Edeus

Novice Member

Joined: 6/10/10
Posts: 513

5/29/12 5:04:04 PM#56
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Edeus

Just when I was building my pc, an article like this is made.  How convenient!

I was thinking of getting a GTX 570 (because it's cheaper) while spending my money on a gen2 i7 2600.

 

What do you think: save money on the GPX card and spend it on the cpu?  Or spend money on the GPX card and save money on the CPU?  (I'm not in the budget of spending huge amounts on both.)

 

I'd sooner save money up front on the video card, because a video card is easier to upgrade later.

But it looks like you're confused about processors and could probably do both.  Get a Core i5-3570K, not a Core i7-2600K.  For gaming purposes, that's both better and cheaper.

Then the question is whether you can fit a GeForce GTX 670 into your budget or not.

Make sure you get a good SSD, though, as it definitely fits your budget if you were looking at a Core i7 processor.

Ah thanks!  the i5-3570k IS cheaper!  With saving 100$ on the CPU I should be able to fit the 670 in.  Thanks for the tip.

 

And yep!  you're other article about SSD's made me realize I needed one, already have a samsung 128gb SSD 6gb/s. 

Taru-Gallante-Blood elf-Elysean-Kelari-Crime Fighting-Imperial Agent

  User Deleted
5/31/12 6:41:52 AM#57

670 is not a bad card indeed but im to much AMD RADEON fan so i stick with 7970 card.

  Quizzical

Guide

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13177

 
OP  5/31/12 1:26:09 PM#58
Originally posted by StrangeEyes

670 is not a bad card indeed but im to much AMD RADEON fan so i stick with 7970 card.

I'm glad it's your money that is being spent, not mine.

There are some non-fanboy cases to be made for the 7970, such as if you want the particular free games that come with it, need AMD-only vendor-specific features, or need it for double-precision OpenCL computations.  But on a purely price/performance basis, or even taking into account power consumption (where the GTX 670 is better) and feature sets, I'd sooner go with a GTX 670.

  Kabaal

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/02/05
Posts: 2942

Haggis Humper

6/02/12 8:27:34 AM#59

Higher clocked 7750 and 7770's getting released soon. 7750 is going to need a 6 pin power connector now but means it'll overclock better, the newer 7770 will apparently also overclock better.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5881/amd-announces-a-new-900mhz-radeon-hd-7750

http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AMD-June-Update-Catalyst-monthly-drops-gone-higher-clocked-7700-more-free-games

Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.

  Barbarbar

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/12/10
Posts: 258

6/03/12 5:32:57 PM#60
Originally posted by Quizzical

There are really only two good values on desktop video cards today:

Radeon HD 7770 for $130

GeForce GTX 670 for $400

Yes, that's a huge chasm between the two, but nothing between them is a good value relative to those two cards.  I do expect that to change soon, however.  AMD has tons of Pitcairn chips to sell, and surely they want to sell something higher end than $130 cards.  A Radeon HD 7870 for $300 or a Radeon HD 7850 for $200 would be a good value, and should still be profitable for AMD.  I do expect to see the 7870 approach $300 soon.

Whether the 7850 falls so far depends largely on yields.  If 2/3 of Pitcairn chips can meet the 7870 specs, then the 7850 doesn't have to be that good of a value for AMD to sell off all that they need.  It is likely that this is essentially the reason why the 7750 isn't a good value:  too many Cape Verde dies can meet 7770 specs, so AMD would rather sell a 7770 for more.  If far more dies go in the 7850 bin than the 7870, then I'd expect to see the 7850 going for $200 sooner rather than later.

Nvidia will presumably shake things up with new cards, too.  But GK106 is still nowhere to be found, and GK107 is very much taking its time in coming to desktops.  GK107 will probably be quite a bit slower than a Radeon HD 7770, but could still be a compelling value at $100 if Nvidia prices it appropriately.

-----

Edit:  I meant to put this in the hardware section, not The Pub.  Sorry.  My mistake.

 Abit of a strange post, as good value is determined by compairing them to the rest of the market. Seems as if OP implys all cards could have been best price/performance. Since this is obviously not the case, he finds in the budget and in the highend two cards that stand out.

Could have been two mid cards that were the best value, happens to not be the case .But all the cards can't be the best at the same time. That he finds two is subjective, he could have picked "best one" or "best three".

3 Pages « 1 2 3 Search