Originally posted by eycel

yah I think this game would have been better if there was little marketing done, and grew cause it was worth something, like eve did.  This shit was a mess.

If the game was marketed for the kid crowd, something like lego star wars, and expanded out to something more instead of trying to cater to everyone and there dog.  This crap just makes mmos look bad and prevent other prospects from buying other new mmos.

id say community makes mmos look bad more then marketing or whatever you were saying.and the community of swtor is doing a great job in making themselves look bad in my opinion

Originally posted by RebelScum99

Originally posted by Dahkot72

Curious , as I know I saw on the official forums screaming about it , but no response there from any Bioware rep.

Has DE ever responded about EA saying they had lost approx 500k subs (min and with 30 free day padding that) , when approx a week earlier DE said that their subs were the same just playtime hours had dropped some.

He just get a 100% pass on that ?

Why do you care?  And why spend half your life on a game's forums reporting every little thing you find odd when you don't even play the game?  

Seems kind of a waste of time to me.  I unsubscribed from TOR in March, and haven't thought about it since.  I also haven't once felt the need to check out their forums and report back to mmorpg.com about the goings-on there.  

Couldn't help myself..... 113 posts in 10 months vs. 316 posts in 1 month

Dahkot72

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/16/11
Posts: 113

RebelScum99

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 316

Originally posted by eycel

I was going to say something but Ill just let it go, meh...

I just dont get what you guys are trying to pull when you say "its dropping alot of subs, or a lot of people have since stopped playing which makes it a bad game", there are tons of fun cool mmos releasing, are we suppose to play the same game when there is brand new stuff out? Im not really understanding the logic behind this, besides who wants to tell someone they need to play the same game hours over for months, Im not...I really am against this way of thinking when it comes to mmos, I dont think it represents very well how the game is doing at all.

You are an example of what has been coined at "casual". Nothing wrong with that, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Some of the skeptics are playing off where EA boasted (somewhere) that TOR will have a 10 year run. Those guys are just vultures and throw kittens off bridges.

Others like myself want a game we can call home. We want to feel like our character is an extension of ourselves and forever evolving. We can't do that if we're game hopping. We can't do that when games offer no dept. Some of us are only game hopping because we are looking for a home.

In TOR's case, they promised us everything with the most famous IP in the world. Things like 200 hours of unique voice acting per profession, vast living worlds, Star Wars immersion, continuous monthly content updates, and so on. What we got was the most bug ridden, featureless, anti-social, stagnated worlds, linear play, hand holding, cookie cutter, (**breath**), over hyped, nonimmersive, noncomplex, repetitive, predictable, shallow ....and expensive game ever devised. We are pissed to put it simply. We feel extorted and betrayed.

If the game itself is not insult enough, we have to witness continuous blatant executive lies and we are calling them out on it.

One theory I have is there are many things people will put up with and many things they will not. One of those nots is fucking up a pop culture like Star Wars.

Originally posted by Cyberdeck7

Couldn't help myself..... 113 posts in 10 months vs. 316 posts in 1 month

Dahkot72

 

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/16/11
Posts: 113

 

RebelScum99

 

 

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 316

 

 

Well I must be a complete anomaly then.

As for the OP. One way or another this game is going to bite BEAware at some point. Either when the investors find out about how fmany people have already quit, or simply when they run out of revenue to sustain some of the ongoing marketing, and overhead costs.

I sort of agree with the "who cares" sentiment, but it has that train wreck/car crash pull that makes it hard not to look.

I heard they confirmed at 1.2 mil subs down from 1.7

Technically he probably wasnt lying since they keep bending meaning of "sub" to suit them what theay want to spin at any given moment.

If you are refering to 1,7m - no, it wasnt subs, just as 1,3m are not subs, well at least not "paying customer that is subscribed to the game beyond first month"

As you may guess, he might be actually referring to normal definition of "sub" when he said that, meaning that actual unknown number of sub paying customers has not dropped, but we never actually got any numbers on real subs.