Originally posted by Nirrtix

2 disconnects one becuase my internet went down. 

You shouldn't get disconnected on a single player game because your internet went down. Do you see the problem?

Originally posted by Darkmax23

 Its an outstanding game....pay no attention the the ones who bash it on this sight...they a very very small fraction of the actual gaming community

 

You obviously havent been to the official forums. Loads of quitting threads, or demanding change, etc. One of the biggest complaints, one which  i 100% agree with is the horrible itemization and statting in the game. Theres several threads on the front page alone maxed out (lol @ their 500 post limit on threads) with people agreeing how horrible those aspects of the game are and signing threads asking for change and ideas presented by players for how to improve it. This also includes at least 1 thread requesting they wipe the entire game, spend a few mor emonths working these things out and improving it. People would actually prefer they just shut the damn thing down, fix it, and then relaunch rather than leaving it playable with the stupidity that exists now.

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by Nirrtix

2 disconnects one becuase my internet went down. 

You shouldn't get disconnected on a single player game because your internet went down. Do you see the problem?

Ya but its not a single player game. do u see the problem?

Originally posted by Ecoces

single player games should NOT require an internet connection

I agree with this and I'm playing Diablo 3 and enjoying it, BUT....there is no way that the game should require an internet connection unless you're actively playing multi-player.  No way, sorry. I understand your love for the game, OP, but like with any other game, that doesn't mean it's perfect.  I love GW2 as well....but it's not perfect.  I think it's perfect for ME, but that doesn't mean it's a perfect game all the way around.

Originally posted by hockeyplayr

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Nirrtix

I will give it this game is no Diablo 2. But keep in mind that Diablo 2 was best after it's Expansion. Before the LOD expansion the game was good, but not as great as after. With that said I still do not get many of the gripes about Diablo 3.

-Many claim Blizzard is trying to charge you by requiring internet access. The problem with this is Blizzard is not profitting from you needing to have internet access.

-Many claim the game is not free becuase of the real money Auction House. The only problem with that is noone is forcing you to us the real money auction house.

-Some claim Diablo 2 had better graphics. Seriously... This game has much better graphics and the reason it is not super high end graphics is that Blizzard wants to have a game that most people can play while still having decent graphics. It is like that with EVERY Blizzard game.

I have heard other arguements, but I cannot remember them all, but most of them are baseless. Why do people hate this game so much. Many of the haters either barly played the game or did not at all (rolls eyes.)

I too am amazed that people will buy Diablo 3, despite the horrible DRM, RMAH, dumbed down gameplay, and horrible WoW art-style graphics.

 

The beauty of this is that it is my opinion. Calling them "Baseless" because you disagree is hardly worth posting about it don't you agree?

yet the game is still fun. isn't that the point?

Fun for YOU, there are many whom would disagree, and I assume many whom would not. The point of the matter is whether or not the majority of Diablo 1 & 2 fans agree that Diablo 3 is fun or not, to which I personally believe is the latter.

Originally posted by sk8chalif

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by Nirrtix

2 disconnects one becuase my internet went down. 

You shouldn't get disconnected on a single player game because your internet went down. Do you see the problem?

Ya but its not a single player game. do u see the problem?

 

It IS a single player game with online elements that uses DRM. That's the problem.

Originally posted by sk8chalif

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by Nirrtix

2 disconnects one becuase my internet went down. 

You shouldn't get disconnected on a single player game because your internet went down. Do you see the problem?

Ya but its not a single player game. do u see the problem?

 

it IS a single player game Diablo has always BEEN a singleplayer game with multiplayer aspects. where do you get off saying its not a single player game?

It is what i is. What it isn't, is changing. Complain until the moon falls from the sky if you like but the boat has sailed away on a river of cash. The game will forever require an internet connection.

Originally posted by Nirrtix

I will give it this game is no Diablo 2. But keep in mind that Diablo 2 was best after it's Expansion. Before the LOD expansion the game was good, but not as great as after. With that said I still do not get many of the gripes about Diablo 3.

-Many claim Blizzard is trying to charge you by requiring internet access. The problem with this is Blizzard is not profitting from you needing to have internet access.

-Many claim the game is not free becuase of the real money Auction House. The only problem with that is noone is forcing you to us the real money auction house.

-Some claim Diablo 2 had better graphics. Seriously... This game has much better graphics and the reason it is not super high end graphics is that Blizzard wants to have a game that most people can play while still having decent graphics. It is like that with EVERY Blizzard game.

I have heard other arguements, but I cannot remember them all, but most of them are baseless. Why do people hate this game so much. Many of the haters either barly played the game or did not at all (rolls eyes.)

 We people will allways complain about games just as we complain about other things in our world.

If our forefathers  did not critisice we would not have tv today no cars nothing that we take as a part of our normal day.

We have to complain about things we buy if we dont think it lives up to our expectations,and boycott those we dont think will fulfill our expectations.

Remember that we as a consumer are those who pay the bill.

Originally posted by Vidir

Originally posted by Nirrtix

I will give it this game is no Diablo 2. But keep in mind that Diablo 2 was best after it's Expansion. Before the LOD expansion the game was good, but not as great as after. With that said I still do not get many of the gripes about Diablo 3.

-Many claim Blizzard is trying to charge you by requiring internet access. The problem with this is Blizzard is not profitting from you needing to have internet access.

-Many claim the game is not free becuase of the real money Auction House. The only problem with that is noone is forcing you to us the real money auction house.

-Some claim Diablo 2 had better graphics. Seriously... This game has much better graphics and the reason it is not super high end graphics is that Blizzard wants to have a game that most people can play while still having decent graphics. It is like that with EVERY Blizzard game.

I have heard other arguements, but I cannot remember them all, but most of them are baseless. Why do people hate this game so much. Many of the haters either barly played the game or did not at all (rolls eyes.)

 We people will allways complain about games just as we complain about other things in our world.

If our forefathers  did not critisice we would not have tv today no cars nothing that we take as a part of our normal day.

We have to complain about things we buy if we dont think it lives up to our expectations,and boycott those we dont think will fulfill our expectations.

Remember that we as a consumer are those who pay the bill.

 I guarantee you people who did nothing but complain all day never invented a damn thing. Consumers have overwhelmingly decided to make the game a success.

dunno never played solo in a diablo  game expeted the first 1 on my playstation .. i never once played single in diablo 2 or 3,

so for me its not a single playergame.

Originally posted by Ecoces

single player games should NOT require an internet connection

I wouild of agreed with your up unitl the point when I played it, it was then I realized why they did it.   The games underlying technology is not built upon your single player experience.  It is built around the multiplayer experience whether or not you decide to play multiplayer or not is up to you.

Their multiplayer technology for this game is seamless and quite amazing.  At its base its nothing more than an MMO that only you log into but the people on your friends list can join you at anytime popping in and out at will and not effecting your single player game one bit.

And I have bad news for you, I expect this game model will become the norm for all AAA games in the future.

Originally posted by Ecoces

Originally posted by sk8chalif

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by Nirrtix

2 disconnects one becuase my internet went down. 

You shouldn't get disconnected on a single player game because your internet went down. Do you see the problem?

Ya but its not a single player game. do u see the problem?

 

it IS a single player game Diablo has always BEEN a singleplayer game with multiplayer aspects. where do you get off saying its not a single player game?

Diablo is essentially a multiplayer game. The longevity of Diablo II and the massive development effort post release was due to the online portion of the game and not the singleplayer portion. Its the social aspects of the game that have kept it going.

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by Nirrtix

Originally posted by jtcgs

Originally posted by Nirrtix

hun, you were not who I was talking about. I am refering to those who come here and say they will never buy the game, that it is a piece of trash and that Diablo 2 looks better and blah blah. All of which are not true if they looked at the game and played it.

Hun, check my post history. I have said I will never buy the game...because of the DRM forced online play...

I will not support any game that forces you to play online when it is a standalone game. I will say it, I will say it no matter how much you dont like hearing it and the same is for any game that I BUY. I am a consumer, I have a right to speak even if I dont buy it...because I WOULD HAVE if they didnt use DRM.

If I dont say anything, they will never know they lost a customer because of their actions.

Hun you are missing out. But if you will never buy the game, then do not complain about it. I do not get why you guys complain about it so much. Plenty of games require online access to play even if you solo. You had better get used to it, becuase it is the wave of future gaming.

Name a 3 other single player games that require a constant internet access to play.

It's not complaining it's simply what it is. When I pay for a single player game, I want to play it whenenver I damn well please, not at the discretion or the ability of the company. Is it hard to get that when you pay for something you want to have a sense of control over it? 

Noone is missing out, fortunately there are a lot of good games out there.

As for the future gaming, what you describe, imo is not future gaming, it's just an exploitation of kids/teenagers out of their cash.

Three other games? Sure, here you go:

1. Guild Wars
2. Path of Exile
3. Demon Souls (probably Dark Souls too, but to lazy to look it up)

Originally posted by Nirrtix

I will give it this game is no Diablo 2. But keep in mind that Diablo 2 was best after it's Expansion. Before the LOD expansion the game was good, but not as great as after. With that said I still do not get many of the gripes about Diablo 3.

-Many claim Blizzard is trying to charge you by requiring internet access. The problem with this is Blizzard is not profitting from you needing to have internet access.

-Many claim the game is not free becuase of the real money Auction House. The only problem with that is noone is forcing you to us the real money auction house.

-Some claim Diablo 2 had better graphics. Seriously... This game has much better graphics and the reason it is not super high end graphics is that Blizzard wants to have a game that most people can play while still having decent graphics. It is like that with EVERY Blizzard game.

I have heard other arguements, but I cannot remember them all, but most of them are baseless. Why do people hate this game so much. Many of the haters either barly played the game or did not at all (rolls eyes.)

Nah, Blizzard is forcing you to be online to make things a lot harder for pirates and cheaters, it is a must for a game with RMTAH.

I clame the game isn´t free because it cost 60 bucks here...

And no, while D3 isn´t the bets looking game out there neither was D2. People tend to forget all the crap D2 got because it more or less was the last game not using 3D. D3 looks a lot better.

To me there are 2 things to complain about. The fact that I can´t play single player offline (with no access to the RMTAH to prevent cheating) and the fact that Blizz broke the policy of releasing "when it is ready". That they are patching in PvP later would never had happened if Blizzard stayed away from Activision.

Originally posted by MikkelB

Three other games? Sure, here you go:

1. Guild Wars
2. Path of Exile
3. Demon Souls (probably Dark Souls too, but to lazy to look it up)

The only real difference with Guild Wars, Path of Exile and Diablo 3, is that Guild Wars and Path of Exile have the 'towns', in which you can see other players (I believe it's sharded in both games too). That's it. Demon Souls does something way different, with the ghosts and hints, but it still requires an Internet connection to play.

 

Thing is, Diablo 3 isn't a single player game, despite the fact that you can play it solo. If you buy Diablo 3, you don't buy a single player game. Blizzard never pretended it was too. It's just something the 'fans' came up with. Just because Diablo 1 and 2 were mostly single player games with multiplayer options, doesn't mean that Diablo 3 is the same. The same goes for the PvP aspect in Diablo 2. It was nothing more then a tacked on, barely thought out 'feature' (if you can call it even that). Some players however praise it as one of the core features. Just because some thought it was awesome, doesn't make it so.

 

The whole DRM argument is in my opinion pretty silly. It's not a diabolical scheme from Blizzard to force people to buy the game. Always online isn't there to pester you. It's there because Diablo 3 is more alike MMO's. The crucial data is on the servers of Blizzard. You can't play without that data. There're only textures, music and movies installed on your hard disk. The rest comes from Blizzard. Perhaps you can join a private server, which emulates some parts of the game. But it's probably not up to par with the authentic servers. Plus, it's a nice way to get your system compromised, for who knows what kind of crap those private servers will send you.

 

'Wowified graphics' is perhaps even more silly. The game looks and feels nothing like WoW. The proponents of this stupid reason should do a side-by-side comparison. If one does not look the aethetics of the game, fine, but don't parrot that stupid sentence, because it only makes you look damn silly (in particular the folk that then start to praise Torchlight 2...).

 

Then there is the 'dumbed down' crowd, who still think that cookiecutter builds are the way to go, because that's the only thing skilltrees like that of Diablo 2, Path of Exile and Torchlight 2 promote. Same for the statpoints. What's actually funny to see, is on the official forums of Diablo 3. Some folk made some builds to storm through (at least the bosses) Inferno. Blizzard nerfed that and people started to bitch at that, claiming that Inferno was now impossible. Then other people posted their builds and methods. Apparantly there're already a lot of different builds and setup that can at least farm Inferno in a more safe way. In short, I'm not saying that there won't be cookiecutter builds in Diablo 3, but the new system at least promotes experimenting more and offers more customization in other games that feature skilltrees and the like.

 

Back to the post I replied too, if you pay money for a single player, then you get one. If you buy Diablo 3 however, you buy a multiplayer game. You can play it solo, but the focus of the game is multiplayer.

Dude, those games are CORPGs. If Diablo had public outposts then fine but now it is just a regular game.

One word, 

Itemization

D3 is not an offline singleplayer game. It is this simple. Why is it so hard for people to deal with it? If you don't like it, don't buy it. But to write walls of text complaining about OTHER parts of the game as well while you HAVE NEVER played the game is ridiculous.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
I hate the auction house thing and always online. Don't blizzard have enough money without taking a cut from gold sellers / item farmers.

But its a fun game, and some if the changes are for the better.

I also like tl2.

So are you trying to tell me that if you made a game in which a third party (goldesellers) ran businesses that made thousands if not millions of dollars, you would not try to cut them out and take the profit for yourself?

I know there is no way I would let someone use my intellectual property to make money from essentially doing nothing or running camps of people working in shocking conditions for almost 0 pay.