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General Discussion  » So diablo 3 has no competition?

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  Jabas

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5/25/12 6:30:10 AM#41

OP, why you want to stop the sales of D3 / Blizzard ?

 

I dont care about Diablo series, neither i care about if 6 or 100 millions buy the game... why should someone not intersted on the game care about that?

 

  TwoThreeFour

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5/25/12 6:42:59 AM#42
Originally posted by Z3R01

(...)

Diablo 3 sells 6 million copies in the first week... while other ARpg developers need to beg on kickstarter, go Free to play or offer their game at a pathetic indie discount.

 

 

 

 

What the hell are you talking about? Oh right, you may be one of those who conveniently forget about an entire world of games simply because of a fettish for PCs rather than being openminded about all platforms.

 

Dark Souls was released in October 2011, is an Action RPG, did not rely on kickstarter, did not go Free to Play and did not offer any indie discount. Wake up, the world is langer than you pretend it to be. See http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/119/1197544p1.html.

  lizardbones

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5/25/12 6:57:14 AM#43


Originally posted by coretex666
Well the only competition is TL 2 and PoE none of which is a direct competitor, in my opinion.

I see Diablo as BMW car which offers quality for higher price comparing to TL and PoE being like Kia car which is aimed for people who sacrifice quality to save some cash.




TL2 is at least a Hyundai. Honda even.

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  RainBringer

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5/25/12 7:03:55 AM#44

If by 'competition' you mean if any other game will sell more than Diablow 3, then no its most likely not.

 

To make money, you need money. And Blizzard got enough of money to advertise this game from ground up to orbit. So it could be a real stinker of a game, but weak minded people would just go for the fancy adverts and buy the box. But Diablow 3 isnt just crap, its kinda fun to play for some people so advertising it will do it more good than harm.

None of the competitors got enough money to advertise their games like Blizzard so they lose out on this aspect and lets be honest here, the ONLY reason Diablow 3 will sell millions is because its Called Diablo 3 and its made by a company called Blizzard. If this exact game was called something like Action Dungeon Fighter 1 and made by No Name Studios, Most people wouldnt wipe their arse with it while Diablo fangirls would be spraying vitriol over it day and night for screwing the ARPG genre up with Asian style RMAHs and Forced online play.

 

And I second that post from the poster who said that Blizzard released early to thwart potential competition. Its a common business practice so I dont know why some refuse to believe this. Just look at how horrendous their launch was, their servers werent ready for the flood of logins at launch because the systems werent given a good-to-go, ie were Not prepared to handle the stress just yet. It was pushed out before all was fine and dandy because it Needed to launch before any of the other ARPGs did. Shows that Blizzard is actually in for the money, and not providing a solid gameplaying experience without hiccups to all its customers.

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  Horusra

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5/25/12 7:06:35 AM#45
Originally posted by RainBringer

If by 'competition' you mean if any other game will sell more than Diablow 3, then no its most likely not.

 

To make money, you need money. And Blizzard got enough of money to advertise this game from ground up to orbit. So it could be a real stinker of a game, but weak minded people would just go for the fancy adverts and buy the box. But Diablow 3 isnt just crap, its kinda fun to play for some people so advertising it will do it more good than harm.

None of the competitors got enough money to advertise their games like Blizzard so they lose out on this aspect and lets be honest here, the ONLY reason Diablow 3 will sell millions is because its Called Diablo 3 and its made by a company called Blizzard. If this exact game was called something like Action Dungeon Fighter 1 and made by No Name Studios, Most people wouldnt wipe their arse with it while Diablo fangirls would be spraying vitriol over it day and night for screwing the ARPG genre up with Asian style RMAHs and Forced online play.

 

And I second that post from the poster who said that Blizzard released early to thwart potential competition. Its a common business practice so I dont know why some refuse to believe this. Just look at how horrendous their launch was, their servers werent ready for the flood of logins at launch because the systems werent given a good-to-go, ie were Not prepared to handle the stress just yet. It was pushed out before all was fine and dandy because it Needed to launch before any of the other ARPGs did. Shows that Blizzard is actually in for the money, and not providing a solid gameplaying experience without hiccups to all its customers.

You mad bro?

  dadante666

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you stop laughing when hear the same joke ,but always cry for the same thing...

5/25/12 7:07:31 AM#46

  Jowen

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5/25/12 7:08:30 AM#47

Diablo 2

  MikkelB

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5/25/12 7:12:50 AM#48
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Z3R01

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Diablo 3 sells 6 million copies in the first week... while other ARpg developers need to beg on kickstarter, go Free to play or offer their game at a pathetic indie discount. 

What the hell are you talking about? Oh right, you may be one of those who conveniently forget about an entire world of games simply because of a fettish for PCs rather than being openminded about all platforms.

Dark Souls was released in October 2011, is an Action RPG, did not rely on kickstarter, did not go Free to Play and did not offer any indie discount. Wake up, the world is langer than you pretend it to be. See http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/119/1197544p1.html.

While Diablo 3 and Dark Souls do share some features, they're still very different games, that both wear the Action RPG tag. Why bring console games in the mix here? I know that Dark Souls is coming to the PC, but to be honest, I'm not impressed with console ports these last few years. To bad that Dark Souls doesn't feature a dungeon randomizer by the way, that would make the game so much more interesting for me.

  RainBringer

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5/25/12 7:13:19 AM#49
Originally posted by Horusra
 

You mad bro?

No I am not. I reckon you want to pull out some WoW meme to look 'cool' over the internet or whatever that floats your boat, but you have shown poor effort here, son.

Would you like to try harder next time or just settle down and get back under whatever bridge you crawled out from?

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  TwoThreeFour

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5/25/12 1:37:55 PM#50
Originally posted by MikkelB
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Z3R01

(...)

Diablo 3 sells 6 million copies in the first week... while other ARpg developers need to beg on kickstarter, go Free to play or offer their game at a pathetic indie discount. 

What the hell are you talking about? Oh right, you may be one of those who conveniently forget about an entire world of games simply because of a fettish for PCs rather than being openminded about all platforms.

Dark Souls was released in October 2011, is an Action RPG, did not rely on kickstarter, did not go Free to Play and did not offer any indie discount. Wake up, the world is langer than you pretend it to be. See http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/119/1197544p1.html.

While Diablo 3 and Dark Souls do share some features, they're still very different games, that both wear the Action RPG tag. Why bring console games in the mix here? I know that Dark Souls is coming to the PC, but to be honest, I'm not impressed with console ports these last few years. To bad that Dark Souls doesn't feature a dungeon randomizer by the way, that would make the game so much more interesting for me.

 

Because the person to whom  I replied,  used the term "Action RPG" and not "Diablo-clone". As such he is generalizing to all games within the Action RPG genre regardless of platform. 

 

Edit: Furthermore, when talking about games in general, there is no reason to exclude certain games due to their main platform. In fact, there is little if any reason to ever exclude any game due to their platform when talking about genres. 

  ShakyMo

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5/25/12 1:43:13 PM#51
Who cares how many people bought it. More people bought swtor than eve.
Lots of people watch Michael bay "movies"
Justin beiber is a best selling "artist"

I don't give a rats arse how popular something is, I just care whether its good or not.
  OldManFunk

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5/25/12 1:44:49 PM#52


Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Stick with the professionals rather than the emos at Metacritic and Amazon. It is actually receiving pretty good reviews.

Can you link some positive reviews, please? I've read things like DRM is a headache (online single player with servers going down), 12.5 hours to finish the game, D3 feels too much like D2 which is too much like D1 (1996 all over again) and so on. I haven't read any reviews that say things like D3 is a refreshing evolution of the genre with much anticipated and highly praised features such as "blah meh blah" but would love to read those reviews if you don't mind posting your favorite positive review.

  Resiakraw

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5/25/12 2:32:17 PM#53
Originally posted by kirak2009
Originally posted by Resiakraw
Originally posted by Myrdynn

I reluctantly purchased D3, but I am having a blast, I like just hanging out and killing shit.

I wonder though why we have never seen an actual MMO developed like Diablo, filled with random instanced dungeons, random loot, but about 5 or so more classes, and it would be awesome

 

You should try Path of Exile. Very similar to Diablo but more of an MMO. I guess I wouldnt really consider it a full MMO, mor eof a town hub system like in GW1 where your ethere with other people int own then go off into your own instance. One difference being you can still chat in global even when in your instance, youre not completely isolated from the rest of the players.

D3 has a global chat feature as well, while your in a dungeon you can chat with others on the servers,  although it' s like WOW general chat

Was comparing PoE being sort of a town hub style game like GW, except for the global chat, not comparing it to D3.

  Durray

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5/25/12 3:34:43 PM#54

Lineage Eternal, though god knows when that will be out. 

Torchlight 2, Path of Exile. I was under the impression that was plenty of competition on the horizon.

However, the BlizzKids will of course scream that Diablo is the only game in the genre. Just like WoW was the first and is the only MMO *fact

 

  Zekiah

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5/25/12 3:36:22 PM#55
Originally posted by Gabby-air

Plenty of other ARPG's coming out actually, ie Torchlight 2 and Path of exile. 

Grim Dawn too. That's the one I'm really hopeful for since I don't see PoE fixing their end game.

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  Purutzil

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5/25/12 3:46:04 PM#56

The genre is far more limited then others around is all. Hack n Slash has been a pretty quite genre since its not exactly the most popular, particularly now a days when ADD rampently plays in the gamers mind (even my own has been corrupted due to the wide variety). 

There is less competition in the genre is all, but it doesn't mean there isn't anything good. Diablo 3 has recieved a lot of negative reviews becuase honestly, I feel 90% of the people reviewing are pretty much Negative Nellies and just view a game purely for its faults and can't embrace its good points, particularly after they idolized a game so much. Buying so much into hype seems to make even a decent game become completely bad in their minds. Add in that a lot of people jump into the game not liking the genre, its to be expected they would view it negatively and fill it with their bias due to being used to the very 'laid back' MMO style of games they have grown to know.

 

Don't get me wrong, Diablo 3 is far from perfect, but from a Hack n Slash lover's view its still a good game.  Is it better then its competition? Yes, what is out right now it does stand above just due to its production quality (keeping in mind the little polish components, there are flaws with it keep in mind) but none of its real competition has been released yet in terms of new games. I'll bet torchlight 2 will find a lot of attention due to its low cost and Path of Exile might do well itself. 

 

Just give a few months for the 'new' competitors to come out and you can see people doing a tug of war with which is better. In the end the genre just isn't as popular as the casual MMO genre that is top dog in the field and with Action being implimented more (such as Tera) its much more likely that it will remain at top of its own type of ladder seperate from all the normal MMos you see on this site. 

  Resiakraw

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5/25/12 5:39:24 PM#57
Originally posted by Purutzil

The genre is far more limited then others around is all. Hack n Slash has been a pretty quite genre since its not exactly the most popular, particularly now a days when ADD rampently plays in the gamers mind (even my own has been corrupted due to the wide variety). 

There is less competition in the genre is all, but it doesn't mean there isn't anything good. Diablo 3 has recieved a lot of negative reviews becuase honestly, I feel 90% of the people reviewing are pretty much Negative Nellies and just view a game purely for its faults and can't embrace its good points, particularly after they idolized a game so much. Buying so much into hype seems to make even a decent game become completely bad in their minds. Add in that a lot of people jump into the game not liking the genre, its to be expected they would view it negatively and fill it with their bias due to being used to the very 'laid back' MMO style of games they have grown to know.

 

Don't get me wrong, Diablo 3 is far from perfect, but from a Hack n Slash lover's view its still a good game.  Is it better then its competition? Yes, what is out right now it does stand above just due to its production quality (keeping in mind the little polish components, there are flaws with it keep in mind) but none of its real competition has been released yet in terms of new games. I'll bet torchlight 2 will find a lot of attention due to its low cost and Path of Exile might do well itself. 

 

Just give a few months for the 'new' competitors to come out and you can see people doing a tug of war with which is better. In the end the genre just isn't as popular as the casual MMO genre that is top dog in the field and with Action being implimented more (such as Tera) its much more likely that it will remain at top of its own type of ladder seperate from all the normal MMos you see on this site. 

You have a point about the negative nellies and all that. Personally, I was waiting for the game for years, then starte dlearning more about it and got pretty turned off and hd no intention of buying it especially with GW2 coming out soon. But since my GF actually likes Diablo 2 (the only game of mine she likes) and really wanted to try D3 I ended up buying it a few days after launch.

So let me give a little bit of both perspectives.

I was a huge fan of D2, played it constantly from about 3 months after launch until probably 2 years after LoD came out. Sinc ethen played it on and off a bit when i got bored with other games. Now with D3, it does have its good points sure, but TBH the collection of bad things in the game is kind of overriding most of the good. I guess the biggest factor in it all is that its freaking Blizzard, and they made the other 2. Yes I know its not the same staff, but you would thin that they would be at least remotely aware of what it was that made D2 so loved to so many people. But instead they got rid of the majority of what people enjoyed in D2 and replaced it with nothing but crap. If it were a different game made by a different company, you wouldnt see some of the complaints you do, but that fact that it IS Diablo and they ruined so much of what made Diablo 1 & 2 great is why so many are complaining. Most of us were expecting a new & improved Diablo 2, not the hollow shell of the series that it turned out to be. Im still playing it a bit in hopes it will get better with some patches, but honestly if GW2 were to launch today I dont think I would ever touch D3 again without a major overhaul of a big chunk of the game.

Now for my girlfriend... She isnt a big gamer, most experience she has with gaming is on consoles. But like 6 months back she saw me playing D2 and was like "that looks fun as hell i want to play it". So I installed a copy on her laptop and she has been hooked ever since. She reamed me when I said I wasnt going to buy D3 because she also thought it would be an improved Diablo 2. She played it for a few days, and now keeps bugging me to reinstall Diablo 2 because it was so much better. Her review of Diablo 3 is basically... "this is f*cking lame, i want diablo 2 back". For her part, like I mentioned she isnt all that experienced, and doesnt pay attention to all the little details and no all the ins and outs of games and understand stats & gear and all of that stuff very well. Her opinion is basically just wether or not she is having fun playing the game. To her, its extremely boring.

  Irus

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5/25/12 9:04:39 PM#58

I'm kinda the opposite. I'm a pretty casual player, too, and couldn't care less for all the Inferno crap. I've been playing DII prior to DIII (after getting bored of Path of Exile, no less) coming out and I got so sick of the 1-spell gameplay I actually installed Diablo I (lol) and played that instead, and then installed Hellfire and played that instead... after playing DIII, I don't see myself coming back to DII. Simply because 6 spells > 2 spells.

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5/26/12 12:59:30 AM#59

Its a fun game for what it is....an arcade action RPG.

Its not like a mmorpg (this site needs to change its name to anything.com btw) where you need to devote a huge chunk of your time to accomplish stuff.

What i am impressed with is the ground objects in the game.  Theres all sorts of grat to shoot, destroy, loot on the ground, and its interesting to see the actual game enviroment react to you killing stuff.  The tourture chamber was what really got me, destroying a torture table causes a partial corpse to roll ofwn through the grind wheels in it, theres fire troughs that spill out fire, somewhat of an obstical course with fire floors and giant chopping butcher knifes.  Theres a lot of interaction with the actual world other than just killing stuff and looting obvious chests.  Plus theres a lot of ground crumbling as you walk over it and stuff caving in ect.  Very creative with their loot objects to the point where you sometimes pull a lever and a pully machine hauls up a chest from off screen ect.

Its this that makes this game stand out, on top of the merger of diablo style left/right click combat and DOTA style 4 skills.

 

I think people who devote unnatural amounts of time to this game are going to be dissapointed, it doesnt have the replayablity that a mmorpg with raids and battleground has, on top of a lack of a guild system (jesus why didnt they add guilds with a raidable guild dungeon that other guilds could attack?)

For a casual play game its pretty good, i dont mind the lack of stats or skill buying, since now i can swap skills on the fly and change runes which can significantly change the skills.

 

Will i still be playing in 5 months...probably not...however that wasnt the goal of buying this game...and no subs so ill always be able to head back if i get the urge for an arcade game rpg.

  MurlockDance

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5/26/12 2:11:38 AM#60

It depends on how the original poster sees competition: is it someone releasing a product like D3 or is it one that will sell as many box sales as D3? If it is the first, it will be a definite yes with at least three titles coming to the markets soon (should include Grim Dawn here to the other two that have already been mentioned). If it is the latter, I would say doubtful unfortunately.

The one title I think will do quite well is TL2 though. People can poke fingers at Runic for retailing their game at 18€, but I think it is awesome. TL2 probably did not cost anywhere near what D3 cost in development, not just because Runic have a smaller team, haven't advertized as much, and are spending a fraction of the development time. Why not offer it at a different price that is more competitive? A lot of indie companies are doing this these days, and to me the future of the genre will go where the indie companies take it because it is clear to me that people really do like indie games. Just look on steam to see how many are being offered there and that quite a few make the "most sold" list.

Just because TL2 is retailing at 18€ does not make the game a joke or a lesser game than D3. In fact if anything, all of the beta impressions of TL2 have been glowing or at least positive, whereas they really weren't for D3.

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