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  TwoThreeFour

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5/21/12 8:16:13 AM#121
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by gessekai332
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
Originally posted by Aerowyn

I really can't beleive how many people did not get the context of the OP's post.. I mean seriously if you didn't get the humor then it should of been pretty obvious on his second post in this thread..

I think people didn't even bother to read the whole post. They read the title and probably the subtitles of the points he makes and give an emotional response.

tons of threads on the forum- cant expect people to analyze every single bit of a post, let alone sift through the first page or two to find out that OP is just flamebaiting.

 

mods lock this idiocy please.

funny thing is post is actually pretty hillarious yet page after page after page of him being attacked and people obviously didn't even read his post, even more hillarious.. lighten up people. Bravo OP bravo

Trolling can be pretty hilarious, but that doesn't mean that it isn't trolling.

  AvatarBlade

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5/21/12 8:17:24 AM#122
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Aerowyn

I really can't beleive how many people did not get the context of the OP's post.. I mean seriously if you didn't get the humor then it should of been pretty obvious on his second post in this thread..

I don't see how it is any different humor than the regular trolling and flame-inducing posts.

It's so exagerated that if you actually removed the things he is "complaining" about, you wouldn't have much of a game there.

Yet, it is still trolling and it is attempting to belittle the posts who find certain aspects to be too familiar for their tastes.  Everyone understands that you can't have too extreme variation, but it is perfectly okay to be tired of certain aspects that they wished would be far more different from the norm.

Oh, now I understand what you mean now.

  GrayGhost79

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5/21/12 8:19:12 AM#123
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by IPolygon
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by akiira69
 

GW2 is going to fail exactly like GW1, you level a character get to max level then realise just like in GW1 there will be no end game content. this is where Arena.Net fails they dont care about end game raids only thing they want is for the players to get to max level then PvP. If I wanted to kill other players I'd play games like CoD, Battlefield, MoH or AAO(America's Army Online).


I am sorry mate but GW1 was a very succesfull game, it was no MMORPG tough, but it is seen by both the gaming community as the press as financial advisers as a very succesfull game. Your definition of Fail does not compute with general logic.

Agreed, GW1 is one of the top best selling PC games of all times and it beaten games like Diablo 1 & 2. It was made with a very limited budget and earned loads of cash. If that is failing I don´t know how success look.

It was however not a MMO.

 

According to wiki, the 6.5 million figure for GW1, counts each of its three expansion packs as a unit as well. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PC_video_games.

Diablo II original without expansion packs sold 4 million units.  I would like to know how many bought the original Guild Wars without counting every expansion pack as a unit.

 

I really dislike when companies can't speak clearly about the sales and instead manipulate the numbers to get one as high as possible. 

 

Well, the difference is that each chapter in GW1 (Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall) are standalone campaigns. By definition they are not expansions, only Eye of the North is an expansion. Hence it is actually ok to count them individually. Also, it doesn't matter how many million units were sold, because I got several copies of D2+Addon myself. In no way do these figures represent the actual gaming populace.

One thing is obvious though, the GW franchise is a highly successful one with over 7 mio units sold and ~91k units selling each month. Source (German) http://www.mediabiz.de/games/news/ncsoft-verkauft-91-000-guild-wars-pro-monat/302973?Nnr=302973&Biz=gamesbiz&Premium=N&NL=GMD&uid=m12754&ausg=20110322&lpos=Main_5

Note: That source is from March last year.

 

So, you are saying that Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall can be considered to be stand-alone games but belonging to the same franchise? If so their numbers should be seperated. It would be of interest to see how many bought Prophecies, how many bought Factions and how many bought Nightfall.

 

The thing is that if you are going to measure success, there ought to be a common (common as in everyone uses it) measurement system. It is bad that Guild Wars, doesn't give the straight numbers for the different parts. 

 

 

It's not as bad as Blizzard using the 1.4million copies of Diablo 3 that they gave away to bloat their pre-order and units sold number.

It's not as bad as Blizzard counting anyone that plays by the hour as a sub simply because they have time left on there account even if they haven't played in years lol. Gets worse when you take into account they are counting those playing the "Free to level 20" thing as well lol.

 

We've had companies telling us forum accounts = subscriber accounts.

 

Counting standalone campaigns that are large enough to be there own game as a unti sold seems to not be so bad. Actually I even agree with counting the stand alone campaings because they were stand alone. Yes.... they could tie in to each other, that's a bonus not something that should be counted against them.

 

In any case if this is your crusade I can't desuade you but maybe you could at least consider the fact that there are more worthy targets for your anguish?

  Speedhaak

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'At the end of time the ultimate computation will simulate the Universe and resurrect the dead!'

5/21/12 8:21:41 AM#124

So OP, you're basically saying you are tired of Stories, Character Creation, Exploration and everything else. Here's an idea: Go find a room with four walls, enter, and stare at them 'till desire shits you elsewhere. Because that's what it sounds like you're after; entertainment devoid of content.

  Aerowyn

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5/21/12 8:23:00 AM#125
Originally posted by Speedhaak

So OP, you're basically saying you are tired of Stories, Character Creation, Exploration and everything else. Here's an idea: Go find a room with four walls, enter, and stare at them 'till desire shits you elsewhere. Because that's what it sounds like you're after; entertainment devoid of content.

wow it continues... people really don't get it? i mean seriously?

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  cinos

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Posts: 975

5/21/12 8:24:05 AM#126

Probably the most succesful bait thread I've seen in a long time. Good job op.

It just keeps reeling them in. :p

  xposeidon

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Joined: 3/26/12
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What is "real"? How do you define "real"?

5/21/12 8:25:05 AM#127

I think by now that it's pretty clear that the OP was being sarcastic, probably a GW2 player himself, just pointing out some of the flaws people can come up with regarding GW2 which indeed are pretty amusing.

Remember... all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.

  zymurgeist

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Joined: 12/24/04
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5/21/12 8:25:30 AM#128
Originally posted by Speedhaak

So OP, you're basically saying you are tired of Stories, Character Creation, Exploration and everything else. Here's an idea: Go find a room with four walls, enter, and stare at them 'till desire shits you elsewhere. Because that's what it sounds like you're after; entertainment devoid of content.

 And graphics. The same old 3d graphics. Antialiasing and shadows and dynamic lighting. Is anyone ever going to come up with anything new? I bet it even has texture mapping. Bleh.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  Aerowyn

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5/21/12 8:26:48 AM#129
Originally posted by cinos

Probably the most succesful bait thread I've seen in a long time. Good job op.

It just keeps reeling them in. :p

agreed! and it won't stop! :)

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Meowhead

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5/21/12 8:28:07 AM#130
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by cinos

Probably the most succesful bait thread I've seen in a long time. Good job op.

It just keeps reeling them in. :p

agreed! and it won't stop! :)

I'm a little sad that I don't have people eager to fund my game that corrected all of the problems pointed out in the OP.

People on mmorpg.com have no artistic taste. :c

  TwoThreeFour

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Joined: 3/26/12
Posts: 2149

5/21/12 8:33:15 AM#131
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by Speedhaak

So OP, you're basically saying you are tired of Stories, Character Creation, Exploration and everything else. Here's an idea: Go find a room with four walls, enter, and stare at them 'till desire shits you elsewhere. Because that's what it sounds like you're after; entertainment devoid of content.

 And graphics. The same old 3d graphics. Antialiasing and shadows and dynamic lighting. Is anyone ever going to come up with anything new? I bet it even has texture mapping. Bleh.

 

I know you are just trying to keep on the flaming, but I would point out that GW2 did use uncommon graphic effects such as light reflection on the blank floor and light distortion when looking through ice sculptures.  

  Speedhaak

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'At the end of time the ultimate computation will simulate the Universe and resurrect the dead!'

5/21/12 8:35:46 AM#132
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Speedhaak

So OP, you're basically saying you are tired of Stories, Character Creation, Exploration and everything else. Here's an idea: Go find a room with four walls, enter, and stare at them 'till desire shits you elsewhere. Because that's what it sounds like you're after; entertainment devoid of content.

wow it continues... people really don't get it? i mean seriously?

Your medal is in the post, I mean, seriously...

  spadge3k00

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5/21/12 8:36:27 AM#133

thats strange, if there was no character creation we wudnt have a char to play the game so what wud be the point ?

  cinos

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Posts: 975

5/21/12 8:37:00 AM#134
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by cinos

Probably the most succesful bait thread I've seen in a long time. Good job op.

It just keeps reeling them in. :p

agreed! and it won't stop! :)

I'm a little sad that I don't have people eager to fund my game that corrected all of the problems pointed out in the OP.

People on mmorpg.com have no artistic taste. :c

Get that idea on kickstarter asap.

It's already better than 3/4 of the things on there. ;)

  TwoThreeFour

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5/21/12 8:38:45 AM#135
Originally posted by spadge3k00

thats strange, if there was no character creation we wudnt have a char to play the game so what wud be the point ?

 

Well, Lemmings is an example of a game where you don't have an actual character, but you play some form of a " God" that can do stuff to creatures in the game.  

  spadge3k00

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5/21/12 8:41:22 AM#136
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by spadge3k00

thats strange, if there was no character creation we wudnt have a char to play the game so what wud be the point ?

 

Well, Lemmings is an example of a game where you don't have an actual character, but you play some form of a " God" that can do stuff to creatures in the game.  

i see what u mean but in his perspective of Mmo char creation, wud it be really any good if ther was no customisation to ur char at all?. what r we kidding anyway were baiting in 2 this n i refuse to become troll as i havnt even played gw2 yet lol

  DarkPony

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5/21/12 8:41:55 AM#137
Originally posted by Meowhead

 

At first I laughed.  ... but then I really, really thought about it.

So, i give you.... a game that's Totally Different.

You start off as an emotional force.  You're a ball of energy.  At first you can't interact with the 'real' world much, you can just flit from NPC to NPC and indulge in their moods and attempt to shift them.  By doing this, you can gradually become more polarized as an emotion... whether you represent rage or sorrow or disdain, or whatever.  By using your powers to affect somebody's actions at appropriate times, you can affect the lives of other NPCs!  Use inappropriate rage at another person to make them feel confusion.  Devour their confusion!  Cry and whine at a stoic person until they feel frustration, then drain them as grey and depressed as your host.

Rather than hanging out in cities, large amounts of emotion players can hang out in teenagers, insane asylum inmates, forum posters or other severely emotionally imbalanced people.

You don't have to explore anywhere!  Stay comfortably in your host, and they will wander around for you.  Jump ship when they seem boring and they run across somebody more interesting, but you never have to take a step yourself!

There's no story here.  Just emotionally manipulated people, sort of like some sort of extra emotive version of the Sims.

There's rarely any outright combat, there's just emotional manipulation.  It's sort of like hanging out at highschool as a teenage girl!  Or having a Jewish mom!

By collecting various emotions, you can use them to eventually build neuroses and other severe mental problems, giving you better hooks into your ride of choice.

There's no direct player versus player, there's only you and the various hosts.  Even if you drive somebody's host to suicide, it's not like you're attacking them directly, any more than if you were to gank somebody's mount in WoW.

Brilliant!  It's totally different.  I also think it should be done in lots of various colors, so it sort of looks like a version of the Sims if you are dropping acid and wearing kaleidoscope glasses.

I can feel the critical gaming awards rolling in already, for this MMORPG that isn't afraid to contfront meaningful RL themes, and leaves behind the childish sword swinging of previous MMOs!

I should start up a Kickstarter... For just a thousand dollars, you can get an emotion NAMED after you (I feel very... very... Darkpony.  So VERY Darkpony.)

That's actually scary. A bit of a blueprint for alien invasion. One that we would never notice. They'll not wipe humanity out, they'll just use us to their own end and make us believe its our free will too.

*shivers*

  sirphobos

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5/21/12 8:46:03 AM#138

In this thread: 15 pages of people who don't understand jokes.

  RCP_ut

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5/21/12 9:02:02 AM#139

Its so easy, just dont play... And i dont think you will be missed :)

  Homitu

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5/21/12 9:04:36 AM#140
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Speedhaak

So OP, you're basically saying you are tired of Stories, Character Creation, Exploration and everything else. Here's an idea: Go find a room with four walls, enter, and stare at them 'till desire shits you elsewhere. Because that's what it sounds like you're after; entertainment devoid of content.

wow it continues... people really don't get it? i mean seriously?

I continue to be amazed at some people's innability to percieve and comprehend sarcasm or satire on fourms.  

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