Diablo 3 is not worth the $60 sure is a fun game, but not as fun as D2 that cost $20 with expansion. Torchlight 2 also seen like a lot of fun for $20 you start getting good items at low level, you have the pet system, they have different scenarios unlike diablo3 is all caves and crypts. 

I'm gonna get some some nerd rage over this, but Diablo 3 got too much WoW in it.

Originally posted by Anzie

Diablo 3 is not worth the $60 sure is a fun game, but not as fun as D2 that cost $20 with expansion. Torchlight 2 also seen like a lot of fun for $20 you start getting good items at low level, you have the pet system, they have different scenarios unlike diablo3 is all caves and crypts. 

I'm gonna get some some nerd rage over this, but Diablo 3 got too much WoW in it.

I agree with this.

I'm having fun in D3, but I wouldn't have bought it if my friends weren't so crazy about it. Another thing that kinda bugs me about it is it's continuing Blizzard's trend of stealing ideas from other games, and bandaiding them into their own. The stealing of ideas itself doesn't bother me, per se, but when it's implemented in a way that doesn't really make sense it just feels like a cheap shot at someone else's good idea. I didn't notice this in the beta, but I keep seeing these half-assed 'dynamic events' slapped into the maps, and they are so pointless. I'm still not sure why they added those, it just seems so out of place in a diablo game.

Originally posted by Racheloflite

Ok first off, everyone has there right to what they want to say about this game, and I respect that. BUT someone tell me how D3 after spending 60 bucks can convince me that D3 is worth that much when no matter what class you play its the same ending for everything. Ok so you beat it in normal, ok so you beat it on Hell, ok so ya beat in in Inferno, now what ya going to play the *real* money AH to try and get your 60 bucks back, lets face it thats a joke in itself. Now I have tried TL2 and *watched* on D3 on some twitch TV sites and sorry I'm not buying how D3 convinces me to send 60 bucks over 20 for other then graphics and story are somewhat the same game. Yes D3 has an edge to it and yes its blizzard but come on 60 bucks for no change in story. SO like I said someone convince me 60 bucks is worth D3 when someone does that then I'll explain why I feel TL2 is in my books a better game for the price.

TL2 isn't even released yet and you're already claiming it to be better based on your 'feelings'. That and you can buy both.

comparing the beta of TL2 to the complete game of D3 is a bit unfair, but if you are comparing than I vote for D3, I just like the atmosphere, the story, and the lore better

SO far from what I have seen in beta, in Torchlight 2 you have better control over your character when you manually put your stats in yourself. You can make any build you want without the devs telling you how to play. Torchlight 2 has better music making the game feel more immersive thanks to Matt Uelmen and the dungeons in Torchlight 2 seemed much bigger than D3.

IMHO, D3 >>> Torchlight

1) skill system MUCH better design. Choosing abilities is 100x more interesting (to me) than putting points in skills. There are way more combo to consider in D3.

2) D3 is much more polish with much more content (obviously)

3) character & abilty design is much better in D3

4) much better destructive & interacting environment in D3

In fact, i can't find a thing that is better in torchlight

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Originally posted by nariusseldon
IMHO, D3 >>> Torchlight

1) skill system MUCH better design. Choosing abilities is 100x more interesting (to me) than putting points in skills. There are way more combo to consider in D3.

2) D3 is much more polish with much more content (obviously)

3) character & abilty design is much better in D3

4) much better destructive & interacting environment in D3

In fact, i can't find a thing that is better in torchlight

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Thank you all again, at least I have my questions answered! I bought D3 today since I found it much cheaper than 60 euros at a store here in Sweden, so I gave in...so far seems ok. Pretty much what I expected and I like the feel of the game compared to for instance Torchlight 1. 

Will see further on what I think, but thanks for all your help!

Originally posted by OBK1

Originally posted by krea

While i enjoy the genre in total and own torchlight 1 and 2 and diablo 3 i realy feel diablo 3 is the better of them all . Not sure why but you feel the blizzard polish in diablo 3 even if it sticks with the old familiar hack and slash and doesnt realy inovate . I did play bit of torchlight 2 beta and it did have some points that where stronger tho in total i do like diablo 3 more not sure if its little things like sounds , birds flying around or the responsive combat .

Let me ask you this then, when you don't get to choose skills etc. in D3, doesn't that take away from your involvement of your character? Seems very little rpg not being able to choose what skills/spells you want to specialize in, or doesn't that matter to those of you who like D3?

Trying to establish what makes it tick, so to speak :)

ive not played much of d1 or d2  but i did play them   and i played quite a lot of torchlight 2  but i wouldnt  say i was any expert  or anything  on the whole  ARPG

for me  diablo 3 is really really good fun  i think ive done some 50 hours so far and  been well worth having

the skills  with no tress actualy i think works really well

its more like they give you all the skills and   now you have to work out what you like 

what i have  found is  the amount of builds and how many different opinions on what is good and bad

you can look at the offical forums and  at how many diffrent builds people are posted

its  a really good system i think

the only downside ive found is the  campaing i felt was short  but i guess its cause torchlight had a random dungeons so made it feel  very big

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by nariusseldon
IMHO, D3 >>> Torchlight

 

1) skill system MUCH better design. Choosing abilities is 100x more interesting (to me) than putting points in skills. There are way more combo to consider in D3.

2) D3 is much more polish with much more content (obviously)

3) character & abilty design is much better in D3

4) much better destructive & interacting environment in D3

In fact, i can't find a thing that is better in torchlight

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1) This is something that's a matter of opinion (but I agree). BUT, since the mod tools will be released shortly after the game launches, a Diablo like skill system could be implemented by the end users.

What is so good about the D3 skill design is the IMPLEMENTATION behind it. Each rune will change the look and graphical behaivor of the skill. I highly doubt you can do it with a mod. Secondly, since 99% of player created stuff is crap, i highly doubt some random player can create well thought out skill set like those in D3.

 

5*) TL2 will have mod tools. The idea that you could put almost whatever you want into the game just strikes me as awesome.

Don't care about mod tools. Professional created content, IMHO, is 100x >>>> 99.99% of the user created ones. I pay to play a good games, not to make one.

6*) TL2 is $20 and D3 is $60. I don't think you're getting an extra $40 worth of content, or character design in D3. This is, of course, a matter of opinion, but I haven't seen or heard anything about D3 that's worth an extra $40.

Free for WOW annual pass .. so yeah, it is at a big discount for me, since essentially WOW pays for it.

Secondly, just the RMAH is worth the extra money. How many boss fights are there in T2, btw?

7*) Your friends will probably be playing D3, no matter how good TL2 is. :-(

That too.

 

Originally posted by OBK1

Originally posted by Fuggly

torchlight seemed like something my 5 year old would play when i looked at it. whats the draw to it? I don't see how it could even come close to diable in any form.

Agreed, the graphics of Torchlight is its biggest minus to me!

Compared to the 'amazing' graphics of Diablo?

That was sarcasm by the way, Diablo 3 looks like crap.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by OBK1

Originally posted by Fuggly

torchlight seemed like something my 5 year old would play when i looked at it. whats the draw to it? I don't see how it could even come close to diable in any form.

Agreed, the graphics of Torchlight is its biggest minus to me!

Compared to the 'amazing' graphics of Diablo?

That was sarcasm by the way, Diablo 3 looks like crap.

Not sure what you are judging Diablo 3 by, but up against Torchlight ... they do seem amazing, lol.

Originally posted by Bama1267

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by OBK1

Originally posted by Fuggly

torchlight seemed like something my 5 year old would play when i looked at it. whats the draw to it? I don't see how it could even come close to diable in any form.

Agreed, the graphics of Torchlight is its biggest minus to me!

Compared to the 'amazing' graphics of Diablo?

That was sarcasm by the way, Diablo 3 looks like crap.

Not sure what you are judging Diablo 3 by, but up against Torchlight ... they do seem amazing, lol.

I am judging Diablo 3 by todays standards in graphics. I never said Torchlight looked amazing, but hearing Diablo 3 fans saying that Torchlight looks like crap just got my hypocrite sense tingling.

Personally between Torchlight 2 and Diablo 3, I think that TL2 has more attention to detail and a more interesting art style. Which makes up for the lack of pure graphical power somewhat. Diablo 3 just looks like a top down World of Warcraft. Very outdated and unimpressive.

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Originally posted by nariusseldon

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Originally posted by lizardbones  

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Originally posted by nariusseldon IMHO, D3 >>> Torchlight   1) skill system MUCH better design. Choosing abilities is 100x more interesting (to me) than putting points in skills. There are way more combo to consider in D3. 2) D3 is much more polish with much more content (obviously) 3) character & abilty design is much better in D3 4) much better destructive & interacting environment in D3 In fact, i can't find a thing that is better in torchlight 1) This is something that's a matter of opinion (but I agree). BUT, since the mod tools will be released shortly after the game launches, a Diablo like skill system could be implemented by the end users.

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What is so good about the D3 skill design is the IMPLEMENTATION behind it. Each rune will change the look and graphical behaivor of the skill. I highly doubt you can do it with a mod. Secondly, since 99% of player created stuff is crap, i highly doubt some random player can create well thought out skill set like those in D3.  

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5*) TL2 will have mod tools. The idea that you could put almost whatever you want into the game just strikes me as awesome.

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Don't care about mod tools. Professional created content, IMHO, is 100x >>>> 99.99% of the user created ones. I pay to play a good games, not to make one. 6*) TL2 is $20 and D3 is $60. I don't think you're getting an extra $40 worth of content, or character design in D3. This is, of course, a matter of opinion, but I haven't seen or heard anything about D3 that's worth an extra $40.

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Free for WOW annual pass .. so yeah, it is at a big discount for me, since essentially WOW pays for it.

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Secondly, just the RMAH is worth the extra money. How many boss fights are there in T2, btw? 7*) Your friends will probably be playing D3, no matter how good TL2 is. :-( That too.  

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Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by OBK1

Originally posted by Fuggly

torchlight seemed like something my 5 year old would play when i looked at it. whats the draw to it? I don't see how it could even come close to diable in any form.

Agreed, the graphics of Torchlight is its biggest minus to me!

Compared to the 'amazing' graphics of Diablo?

That was sarcasm by the way, Diablo 3 looks like crap.

Sorry artstyle rather than graphics! is what I meant. Not impressed by graphics in D3, artstyle only so so, but gameplay good fun so far.