You bought the game for $60...not the beta.

Originally posted by bcbully

If I buy now, before there is a release date, how many beta weekeds will I get?  1 BWE a month?  That just doesn't seem right when they advertise "order now and play beta weekends." Unless they don't plan on not releasing for a long time. Well I guess 2 makes it leagal.  The standard 4-5 would be nice, but that would mean release is 4-5 months away :( Idk.

 

To be honest it kind of feels like a hardcore money grab because production cost ran over or something. 

 

 

 

Nope you pay 60 bucks for 3-day head-start, a few in-game items, and of course the game.......the open beta weekends are just incentives

Originally posted by drakes821

You bought the game for $60...not the beta.

This. The sense of entitlement in some people tsk tsk.

Originally posted by Voiidiin

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by bcbully

If I buy now, before there is a release date, how many beta weekeds will I get?  1 BWE a month?  That just doesn't seem right when they advertise "order now and play beta weekends." Unless they don't plan on not releasing for a long time. Well I guess 2 makes it leagal.  The standard 4-5 would be nice, but that would mean release is 4-5 months away :( Idk.

 

To be honest it kind of feels like a hardcore money grab because production cost ran over or something. 

 

 

 

   I agree , I think it is silly to buy a game and only be able to play one weekend a month LOL who knows when the game will be ready for release 3 to 6 months? I will take my 50 and buy D3

Odd, i purchsed both and i am anxiously awaiting the next lil bit of time i can spend in GW2 and I absolutely hate Diablo 3. The biggest let down Blizzard has ever produced, and thats 100% gameplay based not the lousy graphics or the fact that a single player game needs a constant internet connection, the game is terrible. What game that has so-called "RPG-elements" basically just shoe-horns you into whatever they feel is how a class should be played. 

Anywho, While D3 has completely let me down, GW2 has me salivating for more, and anyone who purchased the GW2 Pre-purchase was completely deluding themselves if they thought the BWEs were going to be some exceptional game play time. ANet is using the BWEs as they are supossed to be intended .... as a beta test. I paid 60.00 not for the BWEs but for the final product, BWEs are just a perk.

   Hey its your 60 , if you feel comfortable paying 60 for a 3 day head start-go for it!, I will continue to moniter the games progress and buy either shortly before it comes out or the day it does

Originally posted by bcbully

If I buy now, before there is a release date, how many beta weekeds will I get?  1 BWE a month?  That just doesn't seem right when they advertise "order now and play beta weekends." Unless they don't plan on not releasing for a long time. Well I guess 2 makes it leagal.  The standard 4-5 would be nice, but that would mean release is 4-5 months away :( Idk.

 

To be honest it kind of feels like a hardcore money grab because production cost ran over or something. 

 

 

 

When you buy the game now you get access to betas when they are up.  Nobody has ever promised a certain quanity of betas. I'm glad to see gamers so passionate about GW2 that they are raging that they can't play more. This is a good sign.

Originally posted by bcbully

If I buy now, before there is a release date, how many beta weekeds will I get?  1 BWE a month?  That just doesn't seem right when they advertise "order now and play beta weekends." Unless they don't plan on not releasing for a long time. Well I guess 2 makes it leagal.  The standard 4-5 would be nice, but that would mean release is 4-5 months away :( Idk.

 

To be honest it kind of feels like a hardcore money grab because production cost ran over or something. 

 

"Pre purchase to gain access to beta weekend events (BWEs)" means exactly what it says: if you pre-purchase, you gain access to the BWEs, whenever they may be.  Your personal preconceived notions of how frequently games should offer beta weekends is utterly irrelevant.  And it's not like they haven't been crystal clear in conveying that they intended to run approximately 1 BWE per month. 

Originally posted by bcbully

If I buy now, before there is a release date, how many beta weekeds will I get?  1 BWE a month?  That just doesn't seem right when they advertise "order now and play beta weekends." Unless they don't plan on not releasing for a long time. Well I guess 2 makes it leagal.  The standard 4-5 would be nice, but that would mean release is 4-5 months away :( Idk.

 

To be honest it kind of feels like a hardcore money grab because production cost ran over or something. 

 

 

 

It's not 60 bucks for a beta weekend it's 60 bucks for the game. stop being such a dumbass.

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by bcbully

If I buy now, before there is a release date, how many beta weekeds will I get?  1 BWE a month?  That just doesn't seem right when they advertise "order now and play beta weekends." Unless they don't plan on not releasing for a long time. Well I guess 2 makes it leagal.  The standard 4-5 would be nice, but that would mean release is 4-5 months away :( Idk.

 

To be honest it kind of feels like a hardcore money grab because production cost ran over or something. 

 

 

 

It's not 60 bucks for a beta weekend it's 60 bucks for the game. stop being such a dumbass.

Oh god a million times this.

This thread's title is possibly the most stupid statement i've seen in a long, long time.

Until it's released he's gotten nothing for full purchase price.  This is kind of a new thing in mmos, and almost unheard of in any other industry as well.  Often times there are preorder deposits of small amounts to reserve a place, but prepurchasing is a bit different, and some of you need to acknowledge that.  The fanboyism doesn't help anything or further the discussion.

In effect, you give someone money in advance of getting the capital returned in some form, that's a loan.  And Anet took out a big one.  You pay interest on loans normally, unless you borrow from our stupid government who is trying to prop up our stupid stock markets.  Anyways... it's always been obvious that it's a money grab, but the motivation of why they do it this way we can only leave to speculation.

The one thing is certain, that people who pay full price with no release date should be treated as well as possible by the loanee.  One beta weekend a month to me seems kind of sad as far as rewarding those who prepurchased.  In fact, I wouldn't even count that as a reward, since most mmos (this practice was popular for a few years at least) allowed beta access with a simple preorder, gave out special items with a simple preorder, gave headstart with a simple preorder.

But for putting so much more faith and money into their pockets (heck preorder money usually just went to retailers anyways), what are people getting?  Mostly just flamed on forums for speaking their mind from what I can tell.

Originally posted by adam_nox

Until it's released he's gotten nothing for full purchase price.  This is kind of a new thing in mmos, and almost unheard of in any other industry as well.  Often times there are preorder deposits of small amounts to reserve a place, but prepurchasing is a bit different, and some of you need to acknowledge that.  The fanboyism doesn't help anything or further the discussion.

In effect, you give someone money in advance of getting the capital returned in some form, that's a loan.  And Anet took out a big one.  You pay interest on loans normally, unless you borrow from our stupid government who is trying to prop up our stupid stock markets.  Anyways... it's always been obvious that it's a money grab, but the motivation of why they do it this way we can only leave to speculation.

The one thing is certain, that people who pay full price with no release date should be treated as well as possible by the loanee.  One beta weekend a month to me seems kind of sad as far as rewarding those who prepurchased.  In fact, I wouldn't even count that as a reward, since most mmos (this practice was popular for a few years at least) allowed beta access with a simple preorder, gave out special items with a simple preorder, gave headstart with a simple preorder.

But for putting so much more faith and money into their pockets (heck preorder money usually just went to retailers anyways), what are people getting?  Mostly just flamed on forums for speaking their mind from what I can tell.

Spot on and well said. 

Is prepurchasing a game worse than buying an unfished one with an ongoing sub and a cash shop?

How is this a money grab?  The game is still 60 bucks, no?  They are giving people access to beta weekends as a bonus and this is bad?  What is wrong with you people?

Well, I guess the whole prepurchase = money grab thing could be worse, it could be like TSW, where you prepurchase, then pay a subscription, and have a cash shop too....

Originally posted by DAS1337

How is this a money grab?  The game is still 60 bucks, no?  They are giving people access to beta weekends as a bonus and this is bad?  What is wrong with you people?

It's essentially a gamer  funded no intrest loan, that at some undetermined time they will try to repay with game time. for the tune of 5,000,000 + dollars. This makes me wonder if they went over budget and ran out of money. Why else would they do it?

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Originally posted by bcbully

If I buy now, before there is a release date, how many beta weekeds will I get?  1 BWE a month?  That just doesn't seem right when they advertise "order now and play beta weekends." Unless they don't plan on not releasing for a long time. Well I guess 2 makes it leagal.  The standard 4-5 would be nice, but that would mean release is 4-5 months away :( Idk.

 

To be honest it kind of feels like a hardcore money grab because production cost ran over or something. 

 

 

 

They didnt "grab" my money,I gave it to them because I liked what I saw and knew I wanted to buy it before I gave it to them because they showed enough of their game for me to know i wouldn't regret the $60 I spent for the lifetime sub, and I have no regrets know either after having been in a beta and a stress test.

If you are not 100% sure you should not buy it therefore they can't "grab" your $$$.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by DAS1337

How is this a money grab?  The game is still 60 bucks, no?  They are giving people access to beta weekends as a bonus and this is bad?  What is wrong with you people?

It's essentially a gamer  funded no intrest loan that. That at some undetermined time they will try to repay with game time. for the tune of 5,000,000 + dollars. This makes me wonder if they went over budget and ran out of money.

My guess would be that they made a good amount of cash here to keep the publisher (NCSoft) happy, in order to avoid a set release date pressed on them, and being forced to release before the game is finished. Sort of expected with the amount of "I'm throwing my money at the screen, but nothing's happening!" comments, and a fairly good move when there's so many people already decided on purchasing the game when it releases.

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Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by DAS1337

How is this a money grab?  The game is still 60 bucks, no?  They are giving people access to beta weekends as a bonus and this is bad?  What is wrong with you people?

It's essentially a gamer  funded no intrest loan that. That at some undetermined time they will try to repay with game time. for the tune of 5,000,000 + dollars. This makes me wonder if they went over budget and ran out of money.

hahaha, so now you are trying to imply the game will not be released...lol

Having seen GW2 during the BWE and stress test, and seeing TSW during the first BWE and this one, I have to say, GW2 looks as though it is closer to being release ready than TSW, yet TSW's release is supposed to be a month away...

There's an easy way around it, don't pre-purchase. Problem solved.

I bought the game and played BWE and stresstest,  i love it so far and intend to stay and play it with my guild for YEARS.

Yet i am surprised to actually see so many people defending the undefendable - ArenaNet preorder policy. While yes, we are thankful to expirience the game we all love before its release - objectivily speaking the current situation IS a bad policy and IS a money grab.

You pay money not for a game, but for a PROMISE of a game with no set release date.  I can understand indie developers trying to get some cash by very early preorders, giving access to beta for money etc. But ArenaNet and NC Soft are not in that category.

First of all - priority access to beta, IS a bad policy AND a money grab (even though i having bought it benefit from it personally). There is no reasoning absolutely to defend it from the standpoint of player - its just new method of getting money  out of air. Keep the BWEs once per month, give limited amount of random key giveways or whatever you need for proper testing. Paid BETA is a con though.  No matter how much i might love the game, its not a honest and respective to player approach, and, franckly speaking - would it be not a software we are speaking about, but real product  the implication would be even worse. We are just too used to play BETA of games and pay for them for like 2 or more years after release, so we are getting so easelly fooled as to pay for the unready product willingly...

Secondary -  selling "promise" of the product with absolutely no obligation and guarantees from seller side, with no set release date: is really really bad policy. You might have paid willingly, they might surprise you and deliver the game earlier than later, but it does not change the fact you were coned.

Its up to people themselve to decide wether to buy the game or not and wether they are happy with it or not. However from reputation standpoint - both of the above listed things are really bad for the company.

People should at last learn to consider computer games a real product, no different from any phisical one. Which means one wants a working and without issues product when you buy it, and  that you will not have to pay your own money to crashtest some automobile makers car. If you act like whimps and let the industry get away with whatever - they will abuse and exploit you even more.

That said.. the above might sound a bit hypocritical, soncidering i bought a game and had a blast playing it :)