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  Aori

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OP  5/18/12 4:22:10 AM#181
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by Yamota

OP is misinformed. DRM stands for Digital Rights Management and the main purpose of it IS to prevent piracy. Preventing cheaters is secondary because that does not have the same effects on sales as piracy does. Now if what OP says is true, that DRM is to prevent cheating, then Blizzard could have easily bypassed this by having single player characters and multiplayer characters separate from each other.

That would only make it much easier to write much more Blizzlike emulators and to hack the multiplayer code as a ton of it overlaps.  Try again.

 

Frankly, I only care about hacks and cheats in co-op play.  I couldn't care less about cheap asses who won't buy a game they like.

Didn't you get the memo, Diablo 3 is a singleplayer game there is no co-op.

  tachgb

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5/18/12 4:23:37 AM#182
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by tachgb

Guild Wars is online only, it's more like an instanced coop singleplayer campaign game, yet people didn't hate on it for being online only, the same goes for World of Tanks. Every MMORPG is online only.

 

Why is it a bad thing Diablo 3 is the same? It's a persistent online multiplayer game.

 It is just so that Bli$$ard can sell more copies.

That's a good thing then, too many people pirated Diablo 2 and played with friends over Hamachi.

 

Diablo3  being online only hasn't stopped it being a global success and for those of us enjoying the game, it's great that all these achievements and unlocks aren't going to get hacked anytime soon.

  Requiamer

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5/18/12 5:42:49 AM#183


Originally posted by Aori I'm just going to sum up the read thus far. Me the OP has been deemed a naive QQing ignorant moron who has no concept of what a real game is. The masses deem Diablo 3 a flop, the millions of players who bought the game never knew you had to have the internet to play it. Somehow Diablo 3 is officially a singleplayer game with multiplayer as an afterthought that had a shitty DRM attached to it to piss off the millions of players. Only a small minority wants to play online, everyone else is happy trollin away in their caves. Pirating can't be stopped completely so why try. Cheating can't be stopped so why bother. Blizzard should have made 2 Diablo 3 games $120 for the set. Blizzard is a moneygrab company, so much so that they pushed back the RMAH to get money quicker. I'm sure there is more but you all get the point.. maybe.. probably not.. nevermind.  

Well that wouldn't be the first company that use dirty commercial trick to boost there revenues isn't it? The industry is filled with such examples, they all do that to an extend in every kind of industry, they are not non-commercial organization after all is it?

Still they are borders to not cross, for their own good, like the good of the players. I personally think Blizz is going overboard here with D3.

If you like to have your gaming budget shared between the gold farmers and Blizzard for few uber weapon stat go ahead, i don't give a crap. I personally don't like this circus, if i want to get some uber stat weapon (like everyone else) i'll rather give my money to Blizz as a symbol of my gratitude over the great work they made. I'll do that directly, i don't need their masquerade of game design to make it feel better or hidden to me. Maybe i'm wrong, maybe their design have genuine concerns about rmt and they really want to defend the players, maybe, they sure tell it so, its not that i don't believe them, i'm just in doubt here to be honest, but they just didn't convinced me at all, neither you did OP.

In fact they convinced me of the opposite, its not the first time your intend lead to the opposite effect, it happened to everyone once in a while, and its pretty bad i must admit. I'm sorry if it is so, and the guys at Blizz or you as a fan feel offended, and its very understandable. But still i have all the right to give my opinion as well as any other gamer here, sorry if it offended you, but that's the true.

And i have all the right to say it here, i gave all the reasons to back me up here, feel free to discard them, its your money after all, if you want to play D3, nobody will forbid you here at least. It is a forum here where people talk openly about their concerns and point of view. Nobody want to turn you into a fool, nobody want to be turned into a fool either, not even me... If you are talking seriously about something stop taking everything personally, the subject is what is discussed here, not you, not even Blizzard.
For me their game design is just misplaced entirely, and not only the online/offline aspect, but everything around it too.

  User Deleted
5/18/12 6:05:08 AM#184

Let's be honest here: You defend online only, because it makes other people upset i.e. you're trolling.

 

 

 

  Yamota

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5/18/12 6:11:48 AM#185
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by Yamota

OP is misinformed. DRM stands for Digital Rights Management and the main purpose of it IS to prevent piracy. Preventing cheaters is secondary because that does not have the same effects on sales as piracy does. Now if what OP says is true, that DRM is to prevent cheating, then Blizzard could have easily bypassed this by having single player characters and multiplayer characters separate from each other.

That would only make it much easier to write much more Blizzlike emulators and to hack the multiplayer code as a ton of it overlaps.  Try again.

 

Frankly, I only care about hacks and cheats in co-op play.  I couldn't care less about cheap asses who won't buy a game they like.

It is not about what you care about but rather what Blizzard cares about and they care about the bottom line which is all this onlin only DRM is about.

  Banaghran

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5/18/12 7:10:38 AM#186
Originally posted by Yamota

It is not that easy. You need to keep in mind that ALOT of people played Diablo 1&2 offline and if Blizzard allowed for that then for sure they would lose alot of revenue from those people who would then just use a pirated version of the offline Diablo 3. I am certain this is the main reason for this online only "feature". Everything else is secondary.

Now either you mean that they were primarily after the 60 bucks for the box, which is kinda laughable, when a rwt system is in play (but ofc, even gaming companies can be petty :) ), or you are saying that people not very likely to buy the game in the first place are good targets for a ingame economy for real money, which is a bit idealistic imo.

Flame on!

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  sadeyx

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5/18/12 7:18:52 AM#187

I agree.

Anyone who argues for an 'offline mode'  is simply arguing on behalf of hackers who would pour any amount of resources into exploiting the real money auction.

 

If you want offline mode, either your ignorant or your a hacker.   Either way your not someone who has any crediibility what so ever.

  DarSepki

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5/18/12 7:49:00 AM#188
Originally posted by sadeyx

I agree.

Anyone who argues for an 'offline mode'  is simply arguing on behalf of hackers who would pour any amount of resources into exploiting the real money auction.

 

If you want offline mode, either your ignorant or your a hacker.   Either way your not someone who has any crediibility what so ever.

I find this viewpoint to be extermely ignorant

One of the reasons I choose not to buy the game is the whole always online crap. I looked as playing diablo as a secondary game, rather than my primary mmo. That means, playing on the road where I may not have a stable internet connection. OP explains his case where he considers it as a multiplayer game first.

There are other ways to have a DRM without forcing players to always be connected.

Hacking really only has one factor to be sucessful is determination. For what blizard had done, create a game which was previously a singleplayer with a multiplayer option, to a multiplayer game with a legal means to extract money from it. There are hackers that will continuously attempt to target this. This is the only goal of hackers that you identified. The other goal would be to make the game playable in the way they see fit. By this I mean removing this requirement for those who want just the single player.

Fact is, since blizard decided release the game like this, it only encourages hackers. The viewpoint that anyone wanting an offline mode supports hackers is ignorant of the fact that developers could, and should have released an offline mode to feed this demand. There were different ways to handle this.

  gainesvilleg

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5/18/12 8:01:28 AM#189

Its not a matter of liking or not liking it, it is the trend and the future for a number of reasons.  A couple of these reasons I actually even agree with which is:

1) Less pirating.  I think companies that make games deserve to be paid.  If you can't afford it, well, thats life.

2) Less hacking and glitching.  Companies can monitor play statistics and can tell if, all of a sudden, 50 billion gold pieces show up in an account or 50 legendaries with max stats drop our of the blue.  Hackers should be shot and killed they are ruining gaming more than pirates even.  Hackers are ruining the fun for EVERYBODY.

Internet has now become a utility service just like electricity and water.  I don't like it when I can't play games on my computer when my electricity is out either, but the reality is you need the shared power grid to be operational in order to play games on my computer.  Internet will be just as important for gaming, even single player gaming, in the future so better make sure you live in a country/area that provides good internet along with power grid or you are screwed.

Both my electricity grid and internet connection is awesome so I'm not fretting...

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  Wickedjelly

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5/18/12 8:21:35 AM#190
Originally posted by sadeyx

I agree.

Anyone who argues for an 'offline mode'  is simply arguing on behalf of hackers who would pour any amount of resources into exploiting the real money auction.

 

If you want offline mode, either your ignorant or your a hacker.   Either way your not someone who has any crediibility what so ever.

Lol

They have a lot more credibility than you ever will spouting this nonsense.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Wickedjelly

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5/18/12 8:27:36 AM#191
Originally posted by Aori

I'm just going to sum up the read thus far.

Me the OP has been deemed a naive QQing ignorant moron who has no concept of what a real game is. The masses deem Diablo 3 a flop, the millions of players who bought the game never knew you had to have the internet to play it. Somehow Diablo 3 is officially a singleplayer game with multiplayer as an afterthought that had a shitty DRM attached to it to piss off the millions of players. Only a small minority wants to play online, everyone else is happy trollin away in their caves. Pirating can't be stopped completely so why try. Cheating can't be stopped so why bother. Blizzard should have made 2 Diablo 3 games $120 for the set. Blizzard is a moneygrab company, so much so that they pushed back the RMAH to get money quicker.

I'm sure there is more but you all get the point.. maybe.. probably not.. nevermind.

 

 Drama queen much?

None of what you "summed up" is anywhere near what most have been saying. 

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Aori

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Joined: 1/28/06
Posts: 1762

 
OP  5/18/12 12:49:08 PM#192
Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Let's be honest here: You defend online only, because it makes other people upset i.e. you're trolling.

 

 

 

I beg to differ, most people arguing against D3 online only supposedly won't buy the game. Why should they be upset? They've lost nothing.

My topic may be controversial, however it is my opinion and nothing I said in my OP was stated as FACT.

  Aori

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OP  5/18/12 12:50:22 PM#193
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by Aori

I'm just going to sum up the read thus far.

Me the OP has been deemed a naive QQing ignorant moron who has no concept of what a real game is. The masses deem Diablo 3 a flop, the millions of players who bought the game never knew you had to have the internet to play it. Somehow Diablo 3 is officially a singleplayer game with multiplayer as an afterthought that had a shitty DRM attached to it to piss off the millions of players. Only a small minority wants to play online, everyone else is happy trollin away in their caves. Pirating can't be stopped completely so why try. Cheating can't be stopped so why bother. Blizzard should have made 2 Diablo 3 games $120 for the set. Blizzard is a moneygrab company, so much so that they pushed back the RMAH to get money quicker.

I'm sure there is more but you all get the point.. maybe.. probably not.. nevermind.

 

 Drama queen much?

None of what you "summed up" is anywhere near what most have been saying. 

Actually it is pretty close to what people have been saying, maybe you should actually read the thread. You'll find everyone of those points being brought up likely multiple times but in different flavors.

  Paradigm68

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5/18/12 1:12:13 PM#194
Originally posted by Aori

Alright i'm going to start off by saying, my only intention of playing Diablo 3 is multiplayer. I find singleplayer games a waste of money for what I personally get out of them. Irrelevant

Now the big argument right now is that Diablo 3 is a singleplayer game with an online requirement. Personally I missed the memo, Diablo 3 is a multiplayer game with a singleplaying option. Incorrect. D3 is a game with singleplayer and multiplayer modes. The original Diablo was only singleplayer.

People think that the "DRM" is to prevent piracy. It may help, however I do know that it will eventually be emulated. The online only thing is to prevent corruption of a persistant online game. The DRM serves two roles, anti-piracy is definitely a big one. Since a large portion of even the single player game is server based, the only way to pirate the game successfully would be to create and then configure/install server emulation, basically like private servers for MMO's. This are not something the average gamer/pirate can or is willing to do. Your argument doesn't make sense since D3 isn't persistent.

We have some big things in Diablo 3. First one being the RMAH and while some people don't like this system it is there. Now if Blizzard can prevent this from being flooded with illegal items then I want them to do what they can. If online only is one of the best measures to prevent most of the problems that plagued Diablo 2 then i'm all for it. Seperate the singleplayer chars from multiplayer and this is not a problem. Start the game, get prompted, single or multi. You select single, the game starts and you play, offline, locally. Select multi and you get the login screen. The forced account creation and logging in (aside from DRM) is to promote as much as possible the use of the AH and RMT by forcing players who would have never encountered it with an offline singleplayer option to have access to it.  That Blizz takes a cut of AH sales makes this obvious.

The next one which isn't there yet is PvP. Now I personally don't want to play against people who hack, dupe and cheat. Again if online only helps prevent this then I want it to work. This can be done without impacting the singleplayer game.  I know people said it couldn't be done in D2 but that was because they built D2 before they knew it would be a problem.

Now when cheats do appear and i'm sure some may rear their heads eventually, I hope blizzard will handle it. More or less I know it isn't a sure fire way to stop cheating, piracy and the like. However if it can keep an epidemic far more contained, i'm happy its there.

I'll stop defending it if Diablo 3 starts showing the corruption that plagues Diablo 2.

 

  Nirrtix

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5/18/12 1:12:48 PM#195
Originally posted by rexzshadow
Originally posted by Boreil

So your telling me that if i went out and bought the game that i could not play it offline in any form ?

Yep, must be conntect to BNet to play at all time. And yes you will lag and DC when playing by yourself.

I have not lagged enough to matter or disconnected once. MAybe you jsut need a better internet connection.

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5/18/12 1:14:50 PM#196
Originally posted by Nirrtix
Originally posted by rexzshadow
Originally posted by Boreil

So your telling me that if i went out and bought the game that i could not play it offline in any form ?

Yep, must be conntect to BNet to play at all time. And yes you will lag and DC when playing by yourself.

I have not lagged enough to matter or disconnected once. MAybe you jsut need a better internet connection.

 I have FIOS 35/35Mb, I DL'd the diablo client at like 3MB/s or so...and yet I still have some lag issues when playing SP.  Note some lag issues, not many.  Maybe like once every 2 hours I will rubberband or something.  Also, the game considers 300ms ping to be "green" which I think is a load of crap.

It may not seem like a big deal, but it can be HUGE if you are playing hardcore.  One rubberband at an inopportune time can totally wipe your character.

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  Aori

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OP  5/18/12 1:16:46 PM#197
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Nirrtix
Originally posted by rexzshadow
Originally posted by Boreil

So your telling me that if i went out and bought the game that i could not play it offline in any form ?

Yep, must be conntect to BNet to play at all time. And yes you will lag and DC when playing by yourself.

I have not lagged enough to matter or disconnected once. MAybe you jsut need a better internet connection.

 I have FIOS 35/35Mb, I DL'd the diablo client at like 3MB/s or so...and yet I still have some lag issues when playing SP.  Note some lag issues, not many.  Maybe like once every 2 hours I will rubberband or something.  Also, the game considers 300ms ping to be "green" which I think is a load of crap.

It may not seem like a big deal, but it can be HUGE if you are playing hardcore.  One rubberband at an inopportune time can totally wipe your character.

He is speaking the truth, there is lag and if you don't have any you're lucky. Now it hasn't been horrible for me or cost me anydeaths but i've rubberbanded and had some delays just not alot.

  zymurgeist

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5/18/12 1:19:05 PM#198

Nevermind. One of these days they'll get an editor that doesn't suck

 

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  Wickedjelly

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5/18/12 1:21:11 PM#199
Originally posted by Aori

Actually it is pretty close to what people have been saying, maybe you should actually read the thread. You'll find everyone of those points being brought up likely multiple times but in different flavors.

 Please, anyone that doesn't essentially support your stance you throw into that category. Many have simply voiced their displeasure over it and left it at that. You're the one with the inherent need to over sensationalize the whole affair. As you proved by the very fact you felt the need to even make this topic.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Aori

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OP  5/18/12 1:26:54 PM#200
Originally posted by Paradigm68
Originally posted by Aori

Alright i'm going to start off by saying, my only intention of playing Diablo 3 is multiplayer. I find singleplayer games a waste of money for what I personally get out of them. Irrelevant

How is this irrelevant? I'm letting people know where I am coming from.

Now the big argument right now is that Diablo 3 is a singleplayer game with an online requirement. Personally I missed the memo, Diablo 3 is a multiplayer game with a singleplaying option. Incorrect. D3 is a game with singleplayer and multiplayer modes. The original Diablo was only singleplayer.

Blizzard has been toting Diablo 3 a great multiplayer experience with the option of running by yourself if you're an antisocial misfit or just want the story.

People think that the "DRM" is to prevent piracy. It may help, however I do know that it will eventually be emulated. The online only thing is to prevent corruption of a persistant online game. The DRM serves two roles, anti-piracy is definitely a big one. Since a large portion of even the single player game is server based, the only way to pirate the game successfully would be to create and then configure/install server emulation, basically like private servers for MMO's. This are not something the average gamer/pirate can or is willing to do. Your argument doesn't make sense since D3 isn't persistent.

Diablo 3 is quite persistent why do you think it isn't? So my argument stands until you can tell me otherwise.

We have some big things in Diablo 3. First one being the RMAH and while some people don't like this system it is there. Now if Blizzard can prevent this from being flooded with illegal items then I want them to do what they can. If online only is one of the best measures to prevent most of the problems that plagued Diablo 2 then i'm all for it. Seperate the singleplayer chars from multiplayer and this is not a problem. Start the game, get prompted, single or multi. You select single, the game starts and you play, offline, locally. Select multi and you get the login screen. The forced account creation and logging in (aside from DRM) is to promote as much as possible the use of the AH and RMT by forcing players who would have never encountered it with an offline singleplayer option to have access to it.  That Blizz takes a cut of AH sales makes this obvious.

I'll be honest on this one, I don't know if online only will prevent what I fear and quite honestly no one else does either. No one can truely make an informed reponse unless they work for blizzard. Everything else is speculation at this point.

The next one which isn't there yet is PvP. Now I personally don't want to play against people who hack, dupe and cheat. Again if online only helps prevent this then I want it to work. This can be done without impacting the singleplayer game.  I know people said it couldn't be done in D2 but that was because they built D2 before they knew it would be a problem.

What can be done without impacting the singleplayer game and how? Making 2 seperate client with 2 sets of code?

Now when cheats do appear and i'm sure some may rear their heads eventually, I hope blizzard will handle it. More or less I know it isn't a sure fire way to stop cheating, piracy and the like. However if it can keep an epidemic far more contained, i'm happy its there.

I'll stop defending it if Diablo 3 starts showing the corruption that plagues Diablo 2.

 

Thanks for dissecting my opinion, I appreciate it.

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