Originally posted by iceman00

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by iceman00

Originally posted by Aori

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Well let me thank you for actually reading my post, seriously I mean it. Yes this is why I personally defend online only, I didn't say it was right or wrong in general. To me it is right as it protects my interests in the game.

 

I've never thought of Diablo 2 as a singleplayer game, never played it as such and the majority never played it as such. Diablo 3 is no different, the larger majority want this game as a multiplayer experience. IF Blizzard can stop dick and harry from cheating only to allow tom to rear his ugly head ever so often, i'm all for it.

Now I won't deny that there are several motives to having online only.. but there was no secrets to what the game had to offer and the limitations it imposed.  Either way, moneygrabs are usually easy and the RMAH is not an easy feat, they had a lot of I's to dot and T's to cross.

 

I try to give people a fair read.  I just look at it from a "big picture" standpoint when it comes to the quality of future games in general.  DRM has become more and more intrusive, and the rationale more and more flimsly.  I really don't like it.

There is still no compelling reason for needing a server queue for a single player game.  Even primarily online games (like BF2 and such) didn't have such an intrusive system.  Yet they also weren't running RMAH's.  A moneygrab need not be easy.  Hell, most moneygrabs end up being anything but easy, and ultimately backfire.  That doesn't make them any less of a moneygrab, and it still is something that a company deserves to be called out on.

Moneygrab is a quick way to make cash with a dismal amount of effort.. if it takes alot of work to accomplish it by definition is not a moneygrab.

First, I am not playing D3, Loved D1, did not like D2 for some reason and have lost interest in most Isometric games for the most part (not sure why).  But anyways....

I do think it's kinda sucky to require an internet connection to play a single player game. While it is Blizzes  right to make the game however they like it, and your right to not play it (like me) the idea of it kinda sucks in my opinion and I hope all companies don't follow suit (I am afraid they are going to though)

The biggest problem I see with it and best example of that problem is this: Me and my family will be heading to Florida in October, me, my wife and three kids, with a laptop, the kids will no doubt be running some games in the back of the trailblazer while we're on the road. Any game requiring an internet connection will not be an option for them. So the more games that go that route, the fewer options you have in situations like this. This applies to many situations, not just travel.

Anyways, for all of you not hindered by this online thing, then enjoy the game, I know part one was awesome. For those that are hindered, very sorry, and hope you find a game you like without this problem.

not worth it for a game I will never buy.

Again, I hope everyone who buyed it are enjoying the game, but seriously I don't think I'm losing anything on my principles.

I'm not fine with the login to play and I'm not paying that for the game as it is now. I really don't think the fun in a game is in an auction house full of items. I get your point, there are a lot of people who buyed the game but that happens the first month for every game. Also being called Diablo 3 get sales only by name. 

But getting to the point, I don't see what i'm losing. Right now the servers are full and the game is not smooth, there are bugs they need to polish. Since the game is a single player with multiplayer option (and an AH) there's nothing changing in the storyline. I mean, if in some time I buy the game for half the price because things get better, What did I exactly lose? I'll play exactly the same storytelling, with a stable priced AH, and bug free. 

Seriously, I really hope you enjoy it. But is not something I'm willing to play/pay for. I already played OB and got dissapointed, no need to waste money for the same feelings.

Originally posted by kLipsiS

Allowing offline play could make bots and hacks much easier to develop, so why even offer it?

How so?

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by iceman00

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by iceman00

Originally posted by Aori

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Well let me thank you for actually reading my post, seriously I mean it. Yes this is why I personally defend online only, I didn't say it was right or wrong in general. To me it is right as it protects my interests in the game.

 

I've never thought of Diablo 2 as a singleplayer game, never played it as such and the majority never played it as such. Diablo 3 is no different, the larger majority want this game as a multiplayer experience. IF Blizzard can stop dick and harry from cheating only to allow tom to rear his ugly head ever so often, i'm all for it.

Now I won't deny that there are several motives to having online only.. but there was no secrets to what the game had to offer and the limitations it imposed.  Either way, moneygrabs are usually easy and the RMAH is not an easy feat, they had a lot of I's to dot and T's to cross.

 

I try to give people a fair read.  I just look at it from a "big picture" standpoint when it comes to the quality of future games in general.  DRM has become more and more intrusive, and the rationale more and more flimsly.  I really don't like it.

There is still no compelling reason for needing a server queue for a single player game.  Even primarily online games (like BF2 and such) didn't have such an intrusive system.  Yet they also weren't running RMAH's.  A moneygrab need not be easy.  Hell, most moneygrabs end up being anything but easy, and ultimately backfire.  That doesn't make them any less of a moneygrab, and it still is something that a company deserves to be called out on.

Moneygrab is a quick way to make cash with a dismal amount of effort.. if it takes alot of work to accomplish it by definition is not a moneygrab.

I guess we are operating on different definitions of the term.  SWG did the NGE in an attempt to "dumb down the game" to appeal to a wider audience, and profit.  That wasn't "easy", and it backfired, incredibly I might add.  I see it as a deliberate decision to sacrifice quality in order to maximize profits.  More often than not it indeed does imply being "easy", but it need not be exclusively so.

Of course, the delicious irony of this is Blizzard is getting absolutely pounded with bad PR (so much so they issued a formal statement), and the RMAH is being put on hold being introduced..... with not even a hint of when it will be now.  So a system that they introduced as a way of sacrificing quality to increase profit gave them huge blowback, still lesser quality, and they still don't have the RMAH.

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by Unreal024

Do you really feel the need to defend it? I think it's stupid, but thats just me, it's one of the major reasons why I won't be playing it. But, why should it matter to you if I, or anyone else, think it's stupid? Just play the game and don't worry about the pissing and moaning.

Yet you came into the thread and still interjected your opinion.

Yah, what he said you big meanie.  Interjecting your opinion and all.  lol

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by iceman00

Originally posted by Vannor

Dunno why everyone thinks this online only arguement is shared by the majority, it really isn't. Maybe a few thousand very vocal forum people are moaning about it but there's millions of people playing the game right now. You should check out the auction house, I've never seen owt like it... it's absolutely rammed beyond belief. If you thought it was a crazy auction house in WoW you ain't seen nothing yet. I know the AH is no accurate way of judging how popular a game is but I suggest you somehow take a look at it before flaming me, seriously never seen anything like it... we know each account can only post 10 items at a time so a hell of lot of accounts exist. It's more packed than ebay. So, yeh, the online only thing is only putting off about 0.1% of the player base.

If online only play is making you miss this crazy ride then I suggest you have a good think about how much you are prepared to miss for your principles.

Somehow I think I'll survive, since yes, I do not like rewarding naked moneygrabs.

I'm talking about the gold auction house. Not the RMT, that isn't in the game yet. If that's what you meant by a moneygrab.

And the nature of the intrusive DRM is because they want to funnell people into using the RMAH, even for singleplayer.  And if it were just a tenth of a percent of the playerbase, Blizzard wouldn't have released a public statement.  I understand you are doing the first thing of spin, which is downplay the problem.  But once you've formally acknowledged the problem is pretty widespread, and the horrid bugs/dc's and server lag has royally pissed off a ton of people, you really can't downplay it anymore.

Originally posted by Vannor

Dunno why everyone thinks this online only arguement is shared by the majority, it really isn't. Maybe a few thousand very vocal forum people are moaning about it but there's millions of people playing the game right now. You should check out the auction house, I've never seen owt like it... it's absolutely rammed beyond belief. If you thought it was a crazy auction house in WoW you ain't seen nothing yet. I know the AH is no accurate way of judging how popular a game is but I suggest you somehow take a look at it before flaming me, seriously never seen anything like it... we know each account can only post 10 items at a time so a hell of lot of accounts exist. It's more packed than ebay. So, yeh, the online only thing is only putting off about 0.1% of the player base.

If online only play is making you miss this crazy ride then I suggest you have a good think about how much you are prepared to miss for your principles.

I did, and I will not buy this. Money talks, and Actitionvision is not getting mine this time.  Perhaps this time around it hardly made a dent, but there is alot of people not happy with not being able to play right away. Perhaps next game that has this DRM might not do as well. I can hope, but I am loosing my faith in humanity quickly.

Originally posted by Skarecrow7

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by Skarecrow7

 

You are defending multi player. For someone who wants to just play as a single player game (and believe it or not, there is people that like doing that) what does ANY of that have to do with their game?  The RMAH, the PvP, the stopping the hackers.. that is all multiplayer. I remember getting Diablo one and enjoying the single player, getting D2 when it first came out and doing the single player, I wont be getting the 3rd because, like you said, it is for multi player mode.

 So buy the game, log in, and play it.  You never have to play with another person, never have to do pvp, never have to use the RMAH, never have to see another person, you don't even have to see other people chatting. 

Unfotunetly, if you have friends with a battlenet account, you can't avoid seeing when they're playing D3 or WoW.

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't Diablo 1 nor is it diablo 2.  I think it's time you let go of those games, because this is 2012, and you have an internet connection, and the only thing stopping you from playing D3 as a single player game is you. 

And possibly blizzard if the servers are fubar this evening, but they've been fine all day today so far.  For someone with an internet connection, posting on an online forum dedicate to online gaming, it seems very odd that you won't play D3 because it's an online game.  Very odd.

Ever try to get on line in a hospital waiting room? Can barely get on. I have moved and had problems getting connected. Servers get laggy. Storms take out internets. It is a hassle. I am well aware that this isnt Diablo like it was.. it is what the new blizzard has put out.  I dont want to have to play a game I bought on their time and their servers, so I wont.  As someone else has said, if EA would pull this on people there would be pitch forks and torches outside their HQ.  The only thing odd is someone who doesnt know what a single player game means. .. doesnt matter what forums I go to. 

What's interesting is EA got raked going ALMOST this far, by some of the same people in these forums.  If, when you tried to launch ME3, your internet or their servers were hokey, you were prevented from even playing singleplayer. 

But once it passed that check, you were okay.  People were pretty angry about it, slamming intrusive DRM for single player mode.  Yet Blizzard took it one step further.  EA is probably scratching their heads wondering why they didn't think of this for ME3.

My thoughts on many of the points being mentioned.

One, this is not an online game. Everything I've seen makes it very clear it's setup very much the same way D2 was, that is a single player game with multiplayer option. Just because they added the requirement for being online at all times doesn't change the fact that the basic structure of the game is still that of a single player with added option of multiplayer.

Two, I've enountered plenty of times where I can plug in my laptop and use it without having access to the internet. Those who travel, those who live outside big cities, those who spend a lot of time away from their primary computer; all of these groups have plenty of times where they could be playing offline. I have D2 on my laptop for this very reason. The fact that I can't do so with D3 seriously cuts into how much value I believe I will get from the game. I liked having the multiplayer optinon, and took advantage of it when I was at my home computer, but I loved the ability to have the single player option as well.

Three, hackers and cheats only destroyed D2 for those who wanted to play the hyper "I'm the best" game and Blizzard. For everyone else, the game worked just fine, and I seriously doubt most of the people really noticed them that much.

Four, anyone who claims that the online only is just about DRM is kidding themselves. Bliizzard had dozens of other reasons, most of which involve dollar signs and datamining. All of those reasons make it very clear to me that while they may be perfectly legitimate reasons to Blizzard, it is equally clear that I am in no way the target audience for this game, nor is a large portion of previosly avid Diablo fans.

Five, for those trying to compare this to Steam, Steam is much more reasonable in accessing it's games. The game is still stored on your own drive, and once you have authenticated it, you can play single player games offline like you would expect to be able to.

Six, I am simply not prepared to accept being booted off of what is at it's core a single player game and having to deal with lag and other online issues. I never played GW, so I have no comment on that, but I can't help but think that if the devs truly wanted this to be an online game, they could have found a smoother way of making the core setup of how you create games and interact with the world to reflect that rather than simply copying the format D2 used.

In the end, I don't see D3 as a bad game, but I have yet to see anything that really makes me want to rush out and buy it. The graphics and gameplay seem to be on par with D2, just rearranged; the RMAH, while not a decision breaker, is not overly encouraging either; the lack of offline play limits the value to me because the whole reason I liked D2 was because I could play it when I didn't have access to an internet connection and my other games. In the end, I will almost certainly eventually buy the game, but I'm just not seeing anything that makes me think it's worth 60 dollars right now. It doesn't seem like a bad game, but it's not the quality of game I would have expected for a D2 sequel, and the online only is a big part of the quality hit to me. It just makes it feel way too much like a blatant moneygrab, and not nearly enough about trying to make a fun, engaging game that will make people want to take advantage of the multiplayer option.

Originally posted by Hayasa

Originally posted by kLipsiS

Some of these posts are simply ridiculous . "DEPR DEPR WAHT IF IM IN A VILLAGE WITH NO INTERNETZ?" Are you fucking kidding? If you're at a computer that has no internet chances are you shouldn't be playing fucking diablo. I can't for the life of me understand why offline play should be a requirement? hackers RUINED diablo 2, why the hell would blizz want anyone to do the same to their new title? Allowing offline play could make bots and hacks much easier to develop, so why even offer it? There are plenty of other offline games...

 

 

 

If anyone is missing out on this amazing game because of some nonsense protest for a feature that's seriously unnecessary is a loser. Have fun with torchlight 2 ROFL

 

Oh, so going on a trip is ridiculous? and willing to play single player without internet (thing i did with d1 and d2) is for losers? ok, fanboy, relax. It's just the truth. You feel you are more hardcore because you play nonstop from home and have no need of moving out of your room? Good for you, really. I couldn't care less, but everything i said were things I did with Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. I don't wanna change my life to play diablo 3 (again, I never had to with d1 and d2).

I'll just play something else with LAN features with my friends. Diablo 3 is just a revamp of Diablo 1, who cares? I was just stating how a LOT of people thinks this is plain stupid, calling Diablo an Online game, and how a lot of the fanbase (not the newblood from late D2) think as I do. My money will just go elsewhere, in a game that I can actually play the day I buy it, LOL. 

Stay in home playing Diablo 3, I hope you enjoy it.

 

EDIT: If I pay for an online game, I expect it to have features you can only get in online games. This is a single player with multiplayer online, wow, so different from lan! But hey, there's an auction house. 

Just to add on here.. ever try to get online in a hospital waiting room? Was waiting for 6 hours once, thank god I had a bunch of single player games loaded on the laptop. 

Originally posted by Hayasa

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by Hayasa

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by Skarecrow7

 

You are defending multi player. For someone who wants to just play as a single player game (and believe it or not, there is people that like doing that) what does ANY of that have to do with their game?  The RMAH, the PvP, the stopping the hackers.. that is all multiplayer. I remember getting Diablo one and enjoying the single player, getting D2 when it first came out and doing the single player, I wont be getting the 3rd because, like you said, it is for multi player mode.

 So buy the game, log in, and play it.  You never have to play with another person, never have to do pvp, never have to use the RMAH, never have to see another person, you don't even have to see other people chatting. 

Unfotunetly, if you have friends with a battlenet account, you can't avoid seeing when they're playing D3 or WoW.

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't Diablo 1 nor is it diablo 2.  I think it's time you let go of those games, because this is 2012, and you have an internet connection, and the only thing stopping you from playing D3 as a single player game is you. 

And possibly blizzard if the servers are fubar this evening, but they've been fine all day today so far.  For someone with an internet connection, posting on an onine forum dedicate to online gaming, it seems very odd that you won't play D3 because it's an online game.  Very odd.

Sure pal, try that on an airplane or in your vacations in a village. Try that while having a party with friends in a cabin on the woods with a power supply. Try that in the thousand ocassions you move out of your house and without internet connection. And all for a game wich multiplayer is single player with people. 

Also, i don't wanna rely on poor management of blizzard's servers to log in. 

 Give it a rest.

I can't play any of my games if the power is out or I lose internet connection, even the ones with offline play.  I don't play games offline.

Ah ok, now I got it. So you don't play games offline, that make it right. Thank dude, didn't know the world spin around you, sorry.

You read it guys, If you played D1 and D2 and liked the way it was and don't like the new diablo 3 just shut up, he doesn't play offline. Is fine.

+1 to Hayasa

@ Uhwop That's your argument?

Originally posted by Skarecrow7

Originally posted by Vannor

Dunno why everyone thinks this online only arguement is shared by the majority, it really isn't. Maybe a few thousand very vocal forum people are moaning about it but there's millions of people playing the game right now. You should check out the auction house, I've never seen owt like it... it's absolutely rammed beyond belief. If you thought it was a crazy auction house in WoW you ain't seen nothing yet. I know the AH is no accurate way of judging how popular a game is but I suggest you somehow take a look at it before flaming me, seriously never seen anything like it... we know each account can only post 10 items at a time so a hell of lot of accounts exist. It's more packed than ebay. So, yeh, the online only thing is only putting off about 0.1% of the player base.

If online only play is making you miss this crazy ride then I suggest you have a good think about how much you are prepared to miss for your principles.

I did, and I will not buy this. Money talks, and Actitionvision is not getting mine this time.  Perhaps this time around it hardly made a dent, but there is alot of people not happy with not being able to play right away. Perhaps next game that has this DRM might not do as well. I can hope, but I am loosing my faith in humanity quickly.

Have to agree with you here. Started out doing research about the game and whether or not I should buy it. The more I read, the more the model leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I honestly still have no clue on whether or not the game itself is any good, the model I do know however is simply horrific.

I am a pretty easy going guy if I do say so myself. However, every time I see people defending things like having to be online all the time for a single-player game, or an auction house (RMAH) whose sole benefit will be Blizzard (If you think you will be making money off of it when there are entire companies in Asia setup for farming this, it's a cruel joke on you at best), gives me this visceral sort of "Ugh!". I fear companies in the future will see this model (That has padded sales numbers by giving away the game and the name alone selling itself) making huge sales and follow suit. My principles mean a lot more to me than a few hours of entertainment and I will not support this. The future of games is looking bleak.

I will leave it at that. I did not and will not buy the game, which means I have no place on the Diablo forums anymore. You won't see me here again. I do however hope that those who already bought the game truly enjoy it, genuinely.

OP comes off sounding like a naive little boy who thinks that the vast expanse of the Internet is a very safe place to be. He is "hoping" way too much on Blizzard and not actually looking at things for as they are.

Not reading through pages and pages about whats going on in this thread, but for those who think this Blizzard douchebaggery is a Good thing, you have my condolences. People like you guys would start paying companies like Blizzard a subscription fee for a single player game and will Actually feel Happy about it. There is just no reasoning with stupid people so  holding a discussion with said stupid people is nothing short of breath getting wasted.

Ending my post with a very cliche question, "What if EA, SOE or any other "bad" company did this instead of Blizzard, would you still defend them so zealously?"

Originally posted by RainBringer

OP comes off sounding like a naive little boy who thinks that the vast expanse of the Internet is a very safe place to be. He is "hoping" way too much on Blizzard and not actually looking at things for as they are.

 

 

Not reading through pages and pages about whats going on in this thread, but for those who think this Blizzard douchebaggery is a Good thing, you have my condolences. People like you guys would start paying companies like Blizzard a subscription fee for a single player game and will Actually feel Happy about it. There is just no reasoning with stupid people so  holding a discussion with said stupid people is nothing short of breath getting wasted.

 

Ending my post with a very cliche question, "What if EA, SOE or any other "bad" company did this instead of Blizzard, would you still defend them so zealously?"

How did my post sound naive in any way? Also got anything to add to the conversation aside from the sideline remarks?

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Hayasa

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by Hayasa

 

Sure pal, try that on an airplane or in your vacations in a village. Try that while having a party with friends in a cabin on the woods with a power supply. Try that in the thousand ocassions you move out of your house and without internet connection. And all for a game wich multiplayer is single player with people. 

Also, i don't wanna rely on poor management of blizzard's servers to log in. 

 Give it a rest.

I can't play any of my games if the power is out or I lose internet connection, even the ones with offline play.  I don't play games offline.

Ah ok, now I got it. So you don't play games offline, that make it right. Thank dude, didn't know the world spin around you, sorry.

You read it guys, If you played D1 and D2 and liked the way it was and don't like the new diablo 3 just shut up, he doesn't play offline. Is fine.

+1 to Hayasa

@ Uhwop That's your argument?

 No, that's my way of saying that a rediculous "what if" scenarios is about the worst arguement you can make for your case.

What if, is not a stance.  

How about this.  Basically, every person I've seen make the statement now, that the game isn't an online game, ended their post with, I didn't buy it.

So...

Some of you didn't buy it, but can tell those of us that did that the game isn't an online game.  That's odd, cause I had to log into a server to play earlier, and that's pretty much the defining feature of an onlne game.  You know, that and being able to easilly play with another person; which I did for the first time tonight.  

Me and my brother got into a group, in very much the exact same fashion as we did in GW.  In fact, it seems very strange how much like GW D3 is.  Once we were in a group together, we were in a town with a bunch of NPC's, did some crafting, sold some stuff, got a quest, then went out into the world and killed crap. 

You guys keep harping on the "well D2".  Well, this isn't D2.  D2 was a primarilly single player game, that everyone single person I knew who played it played with other people, and was released at a time when most everyone was still using dial up internet, and I believe the term MMORPG hadn't even been coined yet. 

This is 2012.  An era of gaming were most games either live or die based on the quality of thier mulitplayer, which all pretty much exists online.  Blizzard understand this, as do the makers of games like CoD, LoL, and the battlefield series. 

Just because a game is has the ability to be played alone, doesn't mean that the developers designed the game with the idea that it would be.  D3 IS NOT a game designed with the idea that people will mostly play it solo, and don't believe that anyone is playing it and thining that co-op was an afterthought. 

From the login screne, to very frist chat message that tells you you can chat in general with other people by clicking here, to the multitude of chat chanells you can join, the friends list that connects you to not just your friends playing D3, but ones also playing WoW, the ability to chat with those friends playing wow, the ability to set your game so that anyone can join, the one button press to invite a friend, the option set by default that allows your friends to join you without asking.

Did I say that clearly.  The option for my friends to join my game was checked by default.  I didn't even know there was an option until tonight.  It's on, by default. 

Are you seriously going to tell me that the game that I had to log into a server to play, and from the moment I fired it up it was already set to allow anyone in my friends list to simply jump into my game without the need to ask me, isn't an online game. 

And your asking if that's my arguement?  Are you kidding me?

Originally posted by LizardEgypt

THE SINGLE PLAYER GAME THAT CRASHES LIKE AN MMO. 

THE FUTURE IS NOW

LOL can I upvote this?

Originally posted by Aori

Alright i'm going to start off by saying, my only intention of playing Diablo 3 is multiplayer. I find singleplayer games a waste of money for what I personally get out of them.

Yet you want to make an entire thread about why online play is a "good" thing? What sort of unbiased point can you make other than pushing out your own opinion, stirring the pot  and only intending to cause ruckus? 

 

Now the big argument right now is that Diablo 3 is a singleplayer game with an online requirement. Personally I missed the memo, Diablo 3 is a multiplayer game with a singleplaying option.

So since you seem confused on what kind of a game Diablo3 is, you end up making your confusion a point of defence, classy.

 

People think that the "DRM" is to prevent piracy. It may help, however I do know that it will eventually be emulated. The online only thing is to prevent corruption of a persistant online game.

Over here you spread the confusion that you experienced regarding what genre of gaming Diablo 3 falls under. So by "People" do you mean yourself or are you excluded from this popular belief? You are even unsure whether it will actually help ("may help" makes you sound uncertain if nothing less) but in the very same sentence you go onto say that this system will eventually be emulated and therefore is just a pain in the ass at best. Online play is a whole new kicker of the DRM system, and by personally agreeing that this will get useless you have shot your own thread and its title in the foot. 

 

We have some big things in Diablo 3. First one being the RMAH and while some people don't like this system it is there. Now if Blizzard can prevent this from being flooded with illegal items then I want them to do what they can. If online only is one of the best measures to prevent most of the problems that plagued Diablo 2 then i'm all for it.

Too many hopes, far too little reasoning going on here. If Blizzard cannot stop its game from being cracked (like you yourself have said in the previous paragraph) then what makes you think it can stop illegal sales? You being naive and hoping for the best even though deep down you make know that all of this "Online play" is just an idea gone wrong. 

 

The next one which isn't there yet is PvP. Now I personally don't want to play against people who hack, dupe and cheat. Again if online only helps prevent this then I want it to work.

Again, more hopes on IF this feature is WAI and less of looking at it more reasonably. Some people(me being one of them) would consider those who pay goldfarmers to be cheaters in their own right for using underhanded methods of acquiring items or in game currency for their gain by paying real money instead of spending time and effort playing the game. By my definition, all those who use Blizzard's RMAH to purchase items are cheaters of some small sort. But you dont see me making threads like you and pushing out my own POVs since I know that not everyone might share my opinion, so do you contest this point?

 

Now when cheats do appear and i'm sure some may rear their heads eventually, I hope blizzard will handle it. More or less I know it isn't a sure fire way to stop cheating, piracy and the like. However if it can keep an epidemic far more contained, i'm happy its there.

Should I say it again? More hopes shown for something you yourself are unsure of but want to defend no matter the cost. Naive. If you Know this feature will eventually be broken then why vouch for it at all? What you should have done was shut your mouth and happily played your game until all your IFs and HOPEs were proven beyond doubt, since after all no gives a damn if you are enjoying the game right? But no, you had to come here and stir up a shitstorm since you only wanted to defend your game from all the negativity it is rightfully getting. Or whats the matter, is the server down for your single player game so you had nothing better to do? ;)

 

I'll stop defending it if Diablo 3 starts showing the corruption that plagues Diablo 2.

You should have Started defending it IF Diablo 3 showed some signs of curbing the corruption thats seen in Diablo 2, you are confused even on this matter, son.

Wasnt my initial intent to break your points apart, only reason I took the trouble was because you personally asked me to do so. As for my post, why did you dodge that question I asked right at the end? And you seem to give me too much credit if you wanted my personal thoughts on the matter even though you have around 16 pages of posts from other people to choose from, should I be flattered? ;)

But my point on DRM/Online forced play is surprisingly something similar to yours. But only to the extent that I know any software with DRM can be cracked with time and nothing is a 100% safe. People will rather DL/buy pirated software that doesnt force them to jump hoops just to play an offline game, what Blizzard has done (and other companies do that force DRM) is effectively give the consumer one more reason to shun paying for the original product and instead use a pirated form of the product that doesnt hurt them like a sore pain in the anus. As for the other "features" that plague Diablow 3, enough has been said without me having to repeat it here, now only time will tell if Blizzard is going to kill the franchise with this 2nd follow-up to the original game or if they can pull another "800 pound gorilla in... blahblah".

Originally posted by Aori

Alright i'm going to start off by saying, my only intention of playing Diablo 3 is multiplayer. I find singleplayer games a waste of money for what I personally get out of them.

Now the big argument right now is that Diablo 3 is a singleplayer game with an online requirement. Personally I missed the memo, Diablo 3 is a multiplayer game with a singleplaying option.

People think that the "DRM" is to prevent piracy. It may help, however I do know that it will eventually be emulated. The online only thing is to prevent corruption of a persistant online game.

We have some big things in Diablo 3. First one being the RMAH and while some people don't like this system it is there. Now if Blizzard can prevent this from being flooded with illegal items then I want them to do what they can. If online only is one of the best measures to prevent most of the problems that plagued Diablo 2 then i'm all for it.

The next one which isn't there yet is PvP. Now I personally don't want to play against people who hack, dupe and cheat. Again if online only helps prevent this then I want it to work.

Now when cheats do appear and i'm sure some may rear their heads eventually, I hope blizzard will handle it. More or less I know it isn't a sure fire way to stop cheating, piracy and the like. However if it can keep an epidemic far more contained, i'm happy its there.

I'll stop defending it if Diablo 3 starts showing the corruption that plagues Diablo 2.

Man, you make D2 sound like some kind of slimy underworld full of drug lords and mafiosos. It's just a game. Just because there are people willing pay outrageous sums of money for items means absolutely nothing to my gaming experience. It's a Co-rpg where items were only an e-peen. It's not like content was inaccessable because of some black market. The only thing that ruined D2 was the patches that increasingly made good items impossible to find thus upping the price of dupes from patch 1.03. Blizzard is really just jealous of Paul Talborg.