I'm pretty sure someone should have said this already but, You know this is the third game of Diablo right? The previous 2 Diablo were Single player with online option. The third game, being EXACTLY the same playstyle is suddenly an online game just 'cos you have to log in?. Do you know what a persistent world is and how it applys to online games? Do you realize that the online option doesn't turn something into online gaming? 

Linear storytelling and following the story from point A to point C passing through B is a single player, whether you like it or not. Login is just an annoyance. Playing with friends doesn't turn the game into an MMO, I hardly played alone D1 and was a single player, I played a lot through b.net on Diablo and again, never was an mmorpg. People need to think before vomiting their fanboy nonsensical opinion.

Why I'm not reading the whole post? Because that kind of logic is surely followed by a lot of irrational kids who don't know the pleassures of playing lan wherever you want with whomever you want without relying on blizzard's server to log in or internet connection. Also the theme park stats are a failure.

PS: I LOVE Diablo games, played Diablo 1 for years 'till D2 was released.

Originally posted by dontadow

I hate to say it but this is the future of not just gaming, but software in general.  Being in the tech industry i've been privy to some fun conferences and a lot of major companies are leaning toward things where you just "subscribe to" but never own.  Games are the test, operating systems and productivity products are next.

I"m sure at first this was about piracy, but it's also evidience that its more money.  

I just had no interest in Diablo 3 and ignored it. I remember my fon memories of Diablo 1 and 2. I installed my first 1 gigabyte hard drive to play diablo. And i remember thinking at he time, one gigabyte, what in the world would i do with that much memory.  

But times have changed, now its a hybrid game of sorts.  

Unfortunately I'm going to have to add a +1 to this, although i don't believe that drm was ever really about piracy as such.  But it certainly isn't anymore(if it ever was).

Originally posted by Skarecrow7

 

You are defending multi player. For someone who wants to just play as a single player game (and believe it or not, there is people that like doing that) what does ANY of that have to do with their game?  The RMAH, the PvP, the stopping the hackers.. that is all multiplayer. I remember getting Diablo one and enjoying the single player, getting D2 when it first came out and doing the single player, I wont be getting the 3rd because, like you said, it is for multi player mode.

 So buy the game, log in, and play it.  You never have to play with another person, never have to do pvp, never have to use the RMAH, never have to see another person, you don't even have to see other people chatting. 

Unfotunetly, if you have friends with a battlenet account, you can't avoid seeing when they're playing D3 or WoW.

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't Diablo 1 nor is it diablo 2.  I think it's time you let go of those games, because this is 2012, and you have an internet connection, and the only thing stopping you from playing D3 as a single player game is you. 

And possibly blizzard if the servers are fubar this evening, but they've been fine all day today so far.  For someone with an internet connection, posting on an online forum dedicate to online gaming, it seems very odd that you won't play D3 because it's an online game.  Very odd.

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by Skarecrow7

 

You are defending multi player. For someone who wants to just play as a single player game (and believe it or not, there is people that like doing that) what does ANY of that have to do with their game?  The RMAH, the PvP, the stopping the hackers.. that is all multiplayer. I remember getting Diablo one and enjoying the single player, getting D2 when it first came out and doing the single player, I wont be getting the 3rd because, like you said, it is for multi player mode.

 So buy the game, log in, and play it.  You never have to play with another person, never have to do pvp, never have to use the RMAH, never have to see another person, you don't even have to see other people chatting. 

Unfotunetly, if you have friends with a battlenet account, you can't avoid seeing when they're playing D3 or WoW.

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't Diablo 1 nor is it diablo 2.  I think it's time you let go of those games, because this is 2012, and you have an internet connection, and the only thing stopping you from playing D3 as a single player game is you. 

And possibly blizzard if the servers are fubar this evening, but they've been fine all day today so far.  For someone with an internet connection, posting on an onine forum dedicate to online gaming, it seems very odd that you won't play D3 because it's an online game.  Very odd.

Sure pal, try that on an airplane or in your vacations in a village. Try that while having a party with friends in a cabin on the woods with a power supply. Try that in the thousand ocassions you move out of your house and without internet connection. And all for a game wich multiplayer is single player with people. 

Also, i don't wanna rely on poor management of blizzard's servers to log in. 

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by dontadow

I hate to say it but this is the future of not just gaming, but software in general.  Being in the tech industry i've been privy to some fun conferences and a lot of major companies are leaning toward things where you just "subscribe to" but never own.  Games are the test, operating systems and productivity products are next.

I"m sure at first this was about piracy, but it's also evidience that its more money.  

I just had no interest in Diablo 3 and ignored it. I remember my fon memories of Diablo 1 and 2. I installed my first 1 gigabyte hard drive to play diablo. And i remember thinking at he time, one gigabyte, what in the world would i do with that much memory.  

But times have changed, now its a hybrid game of sorts.  

Unfortunately I'm going to have to add a +1 to this, although i don't believe that drm was ever really about piracy as such.  But it certainly isn't anymore(if it ever was).

DRM = Digital Rights Management

Its entire design was to stop piracy...the very definition lists "with the intent to limit the use of digital content" in its discription. If any industry outside the computer field tried to do something like this there would be lawsuits up the bunghole. Imagine if a company sold a...lamp...but said it can only be used on up to 3 different tables otherwise it wouldnt work anymore...or an automobile that could only be driven if you were on the phone to the company...

Originally posted by Hayasa

I'm pretty sure someone should have said this already but, You know this is the third game of Diablo right? The previous 2 Diablo were Single player with online option. The third game, being EXACTLY the same playstyle is suddenly an online game just 'cos you have to log in?. Do you know what a persistent world is and how it applys to online games? Do you realize that the online option doesn't turn something into online gaming? 

Linear storytelling and following the story from point A to point C passing through B is a single player, whether you like it or not. Login is just an annoyance. Playing with friends doesn't turn the game into an MMO, I hardly played alone D1 and was a single player, I played a lot through b.net on Diablo and again, never was an mmorpg. People need to think before vomiting their fanboy nonsensical opinion.

Why I'm not reading the whole post? Because that kind of logic is surely followed by a lot of irrational kids who don't know the pleassures of playing lan wherever you want with whomever you want without relying on blizzard's server to log in or internet connection. Also the theme park stats are a failure.

PS: I LOVE Diablo games, played Diablo 1 for years 'till D2 was released.

 Aside from the entire pointless rant about linear gameplay, D3 doesn't just have an "online option". 

As I earlier, it's very much a game just like like first GW, minus the persistant lobby.

BTW, do you understand that online games have nothing to do with persistant worlds?  Were is the persistant world in BF1942?  It was an online shooter with no offlne or single player campaign.  World of tanks has no persistant world, are you going to tell me it's not an online game?  League of legends, I suppose that's not an online game either?  Nor is warcraft, that RTS games that is played proffesionally as an Esport?  Millions of people don't buy CoD games for the single player offline game, It buids it's entire reputation on the online muliplayer, and yes it is an online game.  Wanna know why?

Because any game with dedicated servers, and that builds online play as a primary function of the game, is an online game.

I'm gonna go play D3, online, with my brother now.

Originally posted by Hayasa

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by Skarecrow7

 

You are defending multi player. For someone who wants to just play as a single player game (and believe it or not, there is people that like doing that) what does ANY of that have to do with their game?  The RMAH, the PvP, the stopping the hackers.. that is all multiplayer. I remember getting Diablo one and enjoying the single player, getting D2 when it first came out and doing the single player, I wont be getting the 3rd because, like you said, it is for multi player mode.

 So buy the game, log in, and play it.  You never have to play with another person, never have to do pvp, never have to use the RMAH, never have to see another person, you don't even have to see other people chatting. 

Unfotunetly, if you have friends with a battlenet account, you can't avoid seeing when they're playing D3 or WoW.

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't Diablo 1 nor is it diablo 2.  I think it's time you let go of those games, because this is 2012, and you have an internet connection, and the only thing stopping you from playing D3 as a single player game is you. 

And possibly blizzard if the servers are fubar this evening, but they've been fine all day today so far.  For someone with an internet connection, posting on an onine forum dedicate to online gaming, it seems very odd that you won't play D3 because it's an online game.  Very odd.

Sure pal, try that on an airplane or in your vacations in a village. Try that while having a party with friends in a cabin on the woods with a power supply. Try that in the thousand ocassions you move out of your house and without internet connection. And all for a game wich multiplayer is single player with people. 

Also, i don't wanna rely on poor management of blizzard's servers to log in. 

Originally posted by Hayasa

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by Skarecrow7

 

You are defending multi player. For someone who wants to just play as a single player game (and believe it or not, there is people that like doing that) what does ANY of that have to do with their game?  The RMAH, the PvP, the stopping the hackers.. that is all multiplayer. I remember getting Diablo one and enjoying the single player, getting D2 when it first came out and doing the single player, I wont be getting the 3rd because, like you said, it is for multi player mode.

 So buy the game, log in, and play it.  You never have to play with another person, never have to do pvp, never have to use the RMAH, never have to see another person, you don't even have to see other people chatting. 

Unfotunetly, if you have friends with a battlenet account, you can't avoid seeing when they're playing D3 or WoW.

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't Diablo 1 nor is it diablo 2.  I think it's time you let go of those games, because this is 2012, and you have an internet connection, and the only thing stopping you from playing D3 as a single player game is you. 

And possibly blizzard if the servers are fubar this evening, but they've been fine all day today so far.  For someone with an internet connection, posting on an onine forum dedicate to online gaming, it seems very odd that you won't play D3 because it's an online game.  Very odd.

Sure pal, try that on an airplane or in your vacations in a village. Try that while having a party with friends in a cabin on the woods with a power supply. Try that in the thousand ocassions you move out of your house and without internet connection. And all for a game wich multiplayer is single player with people. 

Also, i don't wanna rely on poor management of blizzard's servers to log in. 

 Give it a rest.

I can't play any of my games if the power is out or I lose internet connection, even the ones with offline play.  I don't play games offline.

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by Hayasa

I'm pretty sure someone should have said this already but, You know this is the third game of Diablo right? The previous 2 Diablo were Single player with online option. The third game, being EXACTLY the same playstyle is suddenly an online game just 'cos you have to log in?. Do you know what a persistent world is and how it applys to online games? Do you realize that the online option doesn't turn something into online gaming? 

Linear storytelling and following the story from point A to point C passing through B is a single player, whether you like it or not. Login is just an annoyance. Playing with friends doesn't turn the game into an MMO, I hardly played alone D1 and was a single player, I played a lot through b.net on Diablo and again, never was an mmorpg. People need to think before vomiting their fanboy nonsensical opinion.

Why I'm not reading the whole post? Because that kind of logic is surely followed by a lot of irrational kids who don't know the pleassures of playing lan wherever you want with whomever you want without relying on blizzard's server to log in or internet connection. Also the theme park stats are a failure.

PS: I LOVE Diablo games, played Diablo 1 for years 'till D2 was released.

 Aside from the entire pointless rant about linear gameplay, D3 doesn't just have an "online option". 

As I earlier, it's very much a game just like like first GW, minus the persistant lobby.

 

BTW, do you understand that online games have nothing to do with persistant worlds?  Were is the persistant world in BF1942?  It was an online shooter with no offlne or single player campaign.  World of tanks has no persistant world, are you going to tell me it's not an online game?  League of legends, I suppose that's not an online game either?  Nor is warcraft, that RTS games that is played proffesionally as an Esport?  Millions of people don't buy CoD games for the single player offline game, It buids it's entire reputation on the online muliplayer, and yes it is an online game.  Wanna know why?

Because any game with dedicated servers, and that builds online play as a primary function of the game, is an online game.

I'm gonna go play D3, online, with my brother now.

I was expecting this kind of answer. Tell me how goes storyline of BF1942, or LOL? You start at level 1 following a storytelling? No, right? yeah, pretty much pvp base wich requires online gaming unless you wanna get bored with bots.

Simple fanboy minds gonna be simple.

PS: Enjoy playing with your brother in a server and relying on the way they manage them while you could be playing Lan flawlessly.

Originally posted by Creslin321

I'm just going to come out and say this...

Every single argument stating that D3 has to have online singleplayer to prevent cheating and hacking is stupid.  Yes, stupid.  I'm sorry, it's true.  These arguments are dumb.

Why are they dumb do you ask?

They are dumb because Blizz could have just had oh...you know, SINGLE PLAYER ONLY CHARACTERS.  What would have been the problem with this?  You have your single player only character that can never enter multiplayer, then you have your multiplayer character that is online only.  Both camps would be happy!

Why they didn't just do this, and why they saw fit to structure a single/multiplayer game as an MMORPG...I have no clue.  All I know is that when I play D3 singleplayer, I have like 300ping, and regularly suffer lag spikes...and that's just a special kind of BS.

Oh you have a clue mate, your just being polite, which is noble of you  :P

Anyone who thinks this online only mode was put in place to stop, 'cheaters', and priacy, (in at most, a coop game but the majority play solo), is either a blind fanboy or laughably naive. Anyone who thinks this won't effect them or it's great because they can play with their friends easier is missing the point of ownership with a sale.

I seriously hope a lot of people back up their claims that they won't buy another Blizzard title after this.  A drop in sales is the only thing that bean counters who run publishers these days understand.  The, 'creativity', in studios should not be geared towards fiinding new ways to monetise a game while the P.R. department try and spin it some way as not to offend people. Knowing Blizzard fans though thats a big ask. Most of those people have a manic/depressive relationship with the devs and only complain when their supplies cut off and then unilaterally praise them when it's restored.

Ok first off, what the hell does DRM stand for?

I hate acronyms

Originally posted by Omnifish

I seriously hope a lot of people back up their claims that they won't buy another Blizzard title after this.  A drop in sales is the only thing that bean counters who run publishers these days understand.  The, 'creativity', in studios should not be geared towards fiinding new ways to monetise a game while the P.R. department try and spin it some way as not to offend people. Knowing Blizzard fans though thats a big ask. Most of those people have a manic/depressive relationship with the devs and only complain when their supplies cut off and then unilaterally praise them when it's restored.

 

 If that were going to happen it would have happened after SC2. The truth is people complain but Blizzard knows they have the public by the short and curlies.

Originally posted by Wrender

Ok first off, what the hell does DRM stand for?

I hate acronyms

 Digital Rights Management

Originally posted by Badaboom
There is no good reason why they shouldn't have offline single player availability.

It's money they don't want to spend for a feature they don't want to allow. All the reason they need.

Originally posted by Wrender

Ok first off, what the hell does DRM stand for?

I hate acronyms

Digital Rights Management. AKA the useless and annoying crap publishers and devs inflict on paying customers in a futile attempt to curb piracy.

The people that do pirate the software do not have to put up with it ruining or breaking their game.

I would be quite happy with an offline only version. . no chance to play online.  I play other things online.  At least give me the choice. . I don't see how it would affect your online experience if I was playing offline.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Omnifish

I seriously hope a lot of people back up their claims that they won't buy another Blizzard title after this.  A drop in sales is the only thing that bean counters who run publishers these days understand.  The, 'creativity', in studios should not be geared towards fiinding new ways to monetise a game while the P.R. department try and spin it some way as not to offend people. Knowing Blizzard fans though thats a big ask. Most of those people have a manic/depressive relationship with the devs and only complain when their supplies cut off and then unilaterally praise them when it's restored.

 

 If that were going to happen it would have happened after SC2. The truth is people complain but Blizzard knows they have the public by the short and curlies.

 

Originally posted by Wrender

Ok first off, what the hell does DRM stand for?

I hate acronyms

 Digital Rights Management

 

Originally posted by Badaboom
There is no good reason why they shouldn't have offline single player availability.

 

It's money they don't want to spend for a feature they don't want to allow. All the reason they need.

 

How would an offline "feature". . ie. . . standard. . cost more?   I am pretty sure it would cost them less than they would make from selling those copies.

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by Hayasa

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by Skarecrow7

 

You are defending multi player. For someone who wants to just play as a single player game (and believe it or not, there is people that like doing that) what does ANY of that have to do with their game?  The RMAH, the PvP, the stopping the hackers.. that is all multiplayer. I remember getting Diablo one and enjoying the single player, getting D2 when it first came out and doing the single player, I wont be getting the 3rd because, like you said, it is for multi player mode.

 So buy the game, log in, and play it.  You never have to play with another person, never have to do pvp, never have to use the RMAH, never have to see another person, you don't even have to see other people chatting. 

Unfotunetly, if you have friends with a battlenet account, you can't avoid seeing when they're playing D3 or WoW.

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't Diablo 1 nor is it diablo 2.  I think it's time you let go of those games, because this is 2012, and you have an internet connection, and the only thing stopping you from playing D3 as a single player game is you. 

And possibly blizzard if the servers are fubar this evening, but they've been fine all day today so far.  For someone with an internet connection, posting on an onine forum dedicate to online gaming, it seems very odd that you won't play D3 because it's an online game.  Very odd.

Sure pal, try that on an airplane or in your vacations in a village. Try that while having a party with friends in a cabin on the woods with a power supply. Try that in the thousand ocassions you move out of your house and without internet connection. And all for a game wich multiplayer is single player with people. 

Also, i don't wanna rely on poor management of blizzard's servers to log in. 

 Give it a rest.

I can't play any of my games if the power is out or I lose internet connection, even the ones with offline play.  I don't play games offline.

Ah ok, now I got it. So you don't play games offline, that make it right. Thank dude, didn't know the world spin around you, sorry.

You read it guys, If you played D1 and D2 and liked the way it was and don't like the new diablo 3 just shut up, he doesn't play offline. Is fine.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Omnifish

I seriously hope a lot of people back up their claims that they won't buy another Blizzard title after this.  A drop in sales is the only thing that bean counters who run publishers these days understand.  The, 'creativity', in studios should not be geared towards fiinding new ways to monetise a game while the P.R. department try and spin it some way as not to offend people. Knowing Blizzard fans though thats a big ask. Most of those people have a manic/depressive relationship with the devs and only complain when their supplies cut off and then unilaterally praise them when it's restored.

 

 If that were going to happen it would have happened after SC2. The truth is people complain but Blizzard knows they have the public by the short and curlies.

 

Originally posted by Wrender

Ok first off, what the hell does DRM stand for?

I hate acronyms

 Digital Rights Management

 

Originally posted by Badaboom
There is no good reason why they shouldn't have offline single player availability.

 

It's money they don't want to spend for a feature they don't want to allow. All the reason they need.

 

Originally posted by Uhwop
 

Being pissed about the server outages is one thing.  Saying you wont play the game because it's online, while you're posting on an online forum dedicated to online games is a whole other bit of nonsense. 

You can defend your stance all you like.  In the end I'm reading your post, on an online forum dedicated to online games, in which you say you won't play a game because it requires you to be onlline.  YOU'RE ALREADY ONLINE!  How else should a sane, rational individual see such an act?  It sure doesn't look sensible from where I'm standing.

To access the forums for online gaming you'd obviously have to use the internet. 

To play an mmorpg that too would naturally require the net. 

To play a single player mode of a game?  How common is that exactly?  Oh yea, Diablo 3.  Not buying it.  If Im playing a single player game or a single player mode to a game, I dont expect to have a net connection.  If my net is out I cant play a single player game.  If there are server problems I cant play a single player game.  If I get DCed I die....in a single player game. 

If Skyrim required a net connection that would be just as ludicrous and I wouldnt buy that either.  Nor will I buy Diablo 3 and specifically for that purpose.  Just because Im online now doesnt mean Im going to start supporting this kind of thing, or for all I know, there will never be a single player game made in the future where players dont have to put up with this crap. 

Some of you dont understand this, because mom and dad pay for the net and you always have it.  Its like magic!  For the rest of us, such as me, I couldnt afford my net bill with everything else going on in my life a few months back.  Had to wait two weeks to get it back on when I could easily afford it.  During that time if I had D3, I would not have been able to play a single player mode of it that I paid full price for. 

Originally posted by wrightstuf

*snip* 

I most certainly do. cheaters in computer games are no different than anywhere in society. the public needs to be protected from that bad element. they are "criminals" in the pure sense of the word. Not only should blizzard do whatever they can to protect their game and their players from it, they should not stop at bans. those criminals will just go find some other game to offend. They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. these people are ruining it for everyone.

If other games look the other way, then fine. thats their thing. Its not blizzard's and its not mine.

I can't beleive you actually said that.  You do realize we were talking about single player  right? Should my grandmother be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law because she slips a card when playing solitaire? LOL

I can just see the FBI storming a house because little johnny entered a godmode cheat in GTA.

Oh and for all the supporters of D3 online only, I highly recommend jumping straight into hardcore. That's where you are going to get the really epic loot. Don't waste your time with anything less. Do it.  DOOO EEEET!!!