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  Drakxii

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5/16/12 7:50:36 PM#61
Originally posted by Pivotelite
Originally posted by Drakxii

Well then glad I didn't pick it up.  

 

Also cash shops are always ripoffs.  Making games is just another business, so if they game is making money by p2p then they make the game better so you keep playing and your get your friends to play.  If it's cash shopped based they work to annoy you to the point you buy the pretty clothes, instead of wearing the rags the game let you loot, or till you buy the xp or gold bouns instead of spending the days grinding. 

This game let's us wear more than rags, the armor is godly. The stuff in the cash shop isn't even that nice(looks half assed to me), it's just different I guess, wouldn't even spend $5 for any of it let alone $10 when you've got amazing stuff in game already, no weapon pictures but here's examples of armor...

 

 

Weapons are just as good.

 

So your saying, they will see that the junk in the cash shop isn't selling and the next round of armor and weapons will look stupid to get you buy the skins from the cash shop?

I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.

  Amjoco

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5/16/12 7:56:18 PM#62
Originally posted by rexzshadow
Originally posted by Drakxii

Well then glad I didn't pick it up.  

 

Also cash shops are always ripoffs.  Making games is just another business, so if they game is making money by p2p then they make the game better so you keep playing and your get your friends to play.  If it's cash shopped based they work to annoy you to the point you buy the pretty clothes, instead of wearing the rags the game let you loot, or till you buy the xp or gold bouns instead of spending the days grinding. 

Well first of all, all those premuin service are offered by most other P2P games, second the skin so far is limited sale only so we don't even know what they are selling. Third the in game gear doesn't look like RAGS they all look great, the skin simply make your weapon look like a different weapon. Aka warrior get 2 axe skin and lancer get a long sword instead of lance. And there never be exp or gold bonus unless they go F2P.

I think people are upset more because it is a sub based game and they are providing an item that should be in game.  

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  Vorch

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5/16/12 8:06:20 PM#63
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by rexzshadow
Originally posted by Drakxii

Well then glad I didn't pick it up.  

 

Also cash shops are always ripoffs.  Making games is just another business, so if they game is making money by p2p then they make the game better so you keep playing and your get your friends to play.  If it's cash shopped based they work to annoy you to the point you buy the pretty clothes, instead of wearing the rags the game let you loot, or till you buy the xp or gold bouns instead of spending the days grinding. 

Well first of all, all those premuin service are offered by most other P2P games, second the skin so far is limited sale only so we don't even know what they are selling. Third the in game gear doesn't look like RAGS they all look great, the skin simply make your weapon look like a different weapon. Aka warrior get 2 axe skin and lancer get a long sword instead of lance. And there never be exp or gold bonus unless they go F2P.

I think people are upset more because it is a sub based game and they are providing an item that should be in game.  

^^^ This

If this was F2P or B2P, then I would understand it. But to charge 10-15 bucks a month and then withhold content from players is a money grab and will ALWAYS be a money grab. And, imo, this practice will lead to better looking weapons and armor being available for cash while a lower quality of weapons and armor will be available in game.

 

If not, then there would be no incentive for using the cash shop and the shop would be pointless.

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  Bcbud35

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Its game over man, Game Over!!

5/16/12 8:13:37 PM#64

I never post on forums, just like to read and see how gamers are changing for the worse. All I have to say is, WHO EFFING CARES  ABOUT THE CASH SHOP!!  You dont have to buy it!! How hard is that to understand?? You gain literaly NOTHING besides a SKIN!!! This is why mmo's suck now. This new "Generation" of cry baby gamers are ruining every mmo that comes out becasue they can never be satisfied! Dont like the cash shop, then dont effin play, that simple. "OMG Tera has a cash shop, I better take it to the forums anc cry and tell everyone that I quit becaues of a effin cash shop". Ya thats what you ass hats sound like!

  Aque

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5/16/12 9:35:13 PM#65

I play Tera, and the Cash Shop isnt going to effect me what so ever.

Everything they have in it I dont need, and so what if they add more cosmetic stuff. 

I dont need it, no one does. If you buy it then good for you! Just know its not worth it.

(Its really just a waste of money)

  Xasapis

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5/17/12 12:59:46 AM#66

Let me see ...

Those who pre-ordered will get a set of cosmetic skins that noone else will have (for now). Basically that's a set of skins noone will have but those who got the game early.

https://forum.tera-europe.com/showthread.php?t=73558

Then you have those skins mentioned in that page. They don't look that special compared to what is already in the game. However, there is the potential to expand it with much more items, but that would mean exclusive development for the cash shop. Too risky imo right now.

You also have NPCs in all major cities selling skins, assuming you don't like the looks of your weapon.

In any case, I'm still quite happy with the look of the gear. It might change in the future of course, but I doubt it.

 

This "cash shop" is the mildest thing you could find in a P2P game. It is nowhere near the ballpark of GW2 that some people mentioned, where Anet is expecting it to be a major monetisation avenue. And of course, it is very mild compared to TSW, which seems to be adopting a LOTRO style approach on cosmetic gear, only with a subscription model. In any case, it is hilarious to see people crying wolf over Tera's "shop", in comparison they should be crying gonzilla towards the other games mentioned in this thread.

  rexzshadow

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5/17/12 1:07:16 AM#67

Personally i find most of those skin pretty horrible lol. Aside from the lancer one (which i brought coz its too awsome, i finally get my damn sword/shield, I love sword/shield so when tank in Tera was lancer iw as pretty disappointed but now i can poke people with my long sword even though swinging is is much more effective but i'm too cool for that. Also now i can pretend to be slayer with shield =D most broken class ever if it exsited.) warrior and sorc one is decent but honsetly all the other one looks so bad lol. The dragons/gold (whatever they are called) ones look much better.

  HeroEvermore

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5/17/12 1:10:03 AM#68

This cash shop has 0 effect on the game. Anyone thinking it has an effect is very misinformed.

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  mWo4life

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5/17/12 1:36:09 AM#69

I have nothing against it as long as it is for skins only. Off course when they start selling items that give your character some sort of boost then I will be furious and be gone from TERA sonner than the first posts about it appear on this forum. 

  BeenGaming

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5/17/12 3:29:43 AM#70

I am confused as to how a cash shop that offers items that are clearly poor investments and provide no advantage to gameplay is an issue. If you feel like frivolously spending some money on whatever fictional goods they're selling, so be it. If you're not interested in that, then don't.

 

You would need the willpower of a three year old for this to feel threatening to you in some way. Christ only knows how you manage to contain yourself near a checkout line.

  seiiya

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5/17/12 3:32:18 AM#71

If tera was f2p with thes kind of items from shop (luxury stuffs and no p2w)

it could own

  Vesavius

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5/17/12 3:46:35 AM#72
Originally posted by BeenGaming

I am confused as to how a cash shop that offers items that are clearly poor investments and provide no advantage to gameplay is an issue. If you feel like frivolously spending some money on whatever fictional goods they're selling, so be it. If you're not interested in that, then don't.

You would need the willpower of a three year old for this to feel threatening to you in some way. Christ only knows how you manage to contain yourself near a checkout line.

 

The truth is many don't. Impulse buying works for a reason, which ofc is exactly whay they stack crap near checkouts.

You seem to assume that everyone out there has the same decision making capabilities or psychological make up as you, and if they don't... screw 'em? Who needs to look out for the vulnerable anyhow, I'm doing just fine, right?

That attitude could also be examined I guess... it could be said to show signs of low level autism or be indicative of sociopathic tendencies.

I am not saying you are either of these things, I don't know you, but see how easy it would be to make harsh observations of others?

 

My personal view is that box+sub+expacks+cash shop is over a line and just smacks of greed and is looking to exploit the vulnerable and addicted.

 

  Xasapis

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5/17/12 3:46:36 AM#73

In any case, if you want to see some hilarious weapon skins from K-Tera shop (remind me of the goofy Aion ones) here's a link:

https://forum.tera-europe.com/showthread.php?t=88423

  Zadawn

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5/17/12 4:22:26 AM#74
Originally posted by Pivotelite
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I know what many people mean. Just the other day ..living in Florida I went to Disney World. I paid full price to enter the park but I'll be damned if they didnt charge me for all the food and beverages as well as a pair of Mickey Mouse ears and a Pluto keychain. Pay to play at Disney World and Cash shop. Bullshit!!

Because there's absolute no difference between disney world and a mmorpg.

Well, they both are theme parks that let you ride everything for the price of admission and charge you extra for things such as clothing.

I think the analogy was pretty good actually.

 

Can you really make no difference between real life and a game?

Are you really unaware that you are taking the anaology too literally? 

Then lets say he would have been staring at the other people's food and beverages drooling.

That's really where the hatred comes from too. While others have no problem...the embittered ( or the "principled" as they would likely call themselves) stare and drool at what others have that they don't ...all the while crying "sour grapes".

I don't go hog wild in cash shops but I certainly don't mind them as an option and am not above getting that Slayer weapon-skin for $9.99 if I choose to fork out some cash from my very meager account.

When i purchased the box i expected to be equal with any other player .When i see they got something that i don't have access to unless i pay,i'm pissed.

 

Zadawn you play WoW...they sell $25 mounts, server transfers and the whole deal.

 

It's should just be expected now because people WILL buy this stuff, why wouldn't the company do this. Also I blame WoWs playerbase in a sense, they are the kings of getting milked and it makes billions for Blizzard. Why wouldn't other companies do the same...

Except that:

1. I never  touched their paying services and never said it was right what they did.

2. I simply played wow because there was nothing better on the market from my point of view.

3. I don't play anymore,and this time it is for good.

  Zadawn

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5/17/12 4:31:24 AM#75
Originally posted by Bcbud35

I never post on forums, just like to read and see how gamers are changing for the worse. All I have to say is, WHO EFFING CARES  ABOUT THE CASH SHOP!!  You dont have to buy it!! How hard is that to understand?? You gain literaly NOTHING besides a SKIN!!! This is why mmo's suck now. This new "Generation" of cry baby gamers are ruining every mmo that comes out becasue they can never be satisfied! Dont like the cash shop, then dont effin play, that simple. "OMG Tera has a cash shop, I better take it to the forums anc cry and tell everyone that I quit becaues of a effin cash shop". Ya thats what you ass hats sound like!

You would have been better off not posting at all and remain silent like you were up until now.

 

  Reizla

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5/17/12 4:38:26 AM#76


Originally posted by Kumapon EME has been keeping it more on the hush-hush, but today they opened up a premium cash shop for players that want to buy fluff. If it starts to become pay to win I am gone, but what do you all think about it ?
http://store.enmasse.com/store/tera/html/pbPage.PremiumServices/ThemeID.19945700?resid=T7QmagoBAlUAAAPmbGoAAABJ&rests=1337206378655#novelty-items
 

Can I have your attention please... I remember posting about a cash shop on my blog last year and here is EME's response at the time:


After a press release by Digital River announcing our e-commerce partnership a few players expressed concerns that TERA would be a micro-transaction game in addition to requiring a subscription fee; that is not the case.

TERA is not a micro-transaction or cash-shop item game. The game is built and designed to function as a subscription-based game. We would have to make dramatic changes to the game's design to support micro-transactions and there is no intention of doing so.

TERA will have paid services, which could include character transfer, name change and gender change. We do not have a complete list of these services yet, but we will let you know as we confirm them - those services will likely be available inside the game.

There may be a point in time of TERA's lifecycle that we offer "vanity item" sales, pets, and other items that players have enjoyed in other AAA+ titles.

To clarify the press release further; Digital River OFFERS many options to En Masse to choose from for TERA and for future products we publish.

We're more than happy to answer questions, and hope that this clarification allays any concerns you might have.


Sometimes is SUCKS so hard to be right...

And back to the linked topic on my blog: The choice for FROGSTER as EU host is clear now indeed. FROGSTER has a lot of experience with cash-shop items and like I said back then (on my blog, but here as well), TERA will indeed become a cash-shop based game. Now we only have to wait till it goes fully F2P...

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  Xasapis

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5/17/12 4:55:22 AM#77

Right, so account services and a set of skins make a cash shop for you? In my opinion, you were so desperate to be right, you would proclaim anything a cash shop. And certainly, this isn't it.

Btw, Frogster is giving away skins and has not put any announcement about having any on sales, which makes the second part of your argument a strawman's ... again (at least for now).

  Otomox

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5/17/12 5:27:43 AM#78

As long as they sell cosmetic things and pets like WoW im fine. The day they start to sell pay to win items and other shit im out doesnt matter how good the game is.

  Vesavius

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5/17/12 5:39:19 AM#79
Originally posted by Xasapis

Right, so account services and a set of skins make a cash shop for you?

 

Account services obviously don't.

 

Skins? Absolutely.

 

At the least it is a water tester. A way to judge the community reaction. If you tolerate it, or worse participate, or worse then THAT publically defend it, then they WILL put more in.

This is the 'slippery slope' that so many talk about.

 

 

Slow boil your frogs... I guess they are learning from the masters of the craft at SOE.

  Lonestryder

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5/17/12 7:09:23 AM#80
Originally posted by Jenuviel
Originally posted by Ranyr
Originally posted by Otakun

P2P + cash shop = rip off. Whether it's P2W or not. 

Why? No one forces you to buy cosmetic items.

That's a slippery slope argument. It's easy to say, "So what? I don't care about it, so it doesn't matter." But aesthetics do matter to a segment of the playerbase, otherwise they wouldn't be selling them. For those people, charging extra for aesthetics means their subscription is giving them less than it used to. What if those people said, "I don't care about pvp, let them sell +stat pvp gear," or pvpers said "I don't care about raiding, let them sell +stat raid gear." Every part of the game matters to someone; the second you start charging micro-payments on top of subscriptions, somebody's getting screwed. If it's not you, great, but history indicates that they'll come for you eventually.

Well stated.

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