Thats INNOVATION implement new events or things to discover DON'T tell player base let them discover it themselfs and spread word this AWESOME and again proofs how Arenanet wanne change things for the better.

TUMBS UP ARENANET!!!

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by cyress8

Ohhhh, so their actual endgame is real content that you have to go out and adventure and explore.  Instead of 1 raid every few months that you grind in hopes of getting gear to do the next raid a few months down the line so you can grind for gear to do another raid that will release a few months down the line so you can grind for gear to do another raid that will release a few months down the line...

Well played, Anet, well played.

LoL, another fanboy point of view. Endgame in gw2 is, start over again, maybe you´ll find something new, maybe not and since is all about fast travel, what adventure and exploration are you talking about?, you even have scouts who show you where are everything in a zone. 

Why is that a fanboy comment?  Is that not how raiding works?  You dont have to grind for new gear to take on the new raid?  Sounded spot on to me.   Endgame is GW2, in the sense you are playing it when you start.  Its a hard concept for some to accept.  You are not racing to get to some level to do some level specific content.  Their philosophy is just play and (hopefully) enjoy what you come across.

You dont have to fast travel its an option, you can always walk but rest assured there will be times you will want to fast travel so glad its in there.  The NPCs do not point out every single thing you can find.  Many things will require you to physically explore an area to find something you didnt know was there before you found it.

Originally posted by Mahavishnu

This sounds great, because some DEs do not really look that dynamic at all. I mean, I like the system, but while some DEs are awsome, some are like good old questhubs without questgivers. I like the idea, that they will ad new stuff over the time. Since I like to just wander around a world and find new things. For me this is the No1 MMO-Experience:

-explore the world, get in contact with other people, adventures

 

However,

since they cannot add new stuff every week, in the end it is always the same in every MMO: you do the same stuff again and again in endgame. But there is a huge difference:

 

Outdated MMO:

-PvE means, do the current raid-instance, in order to get items. You have no other choice, because there is nothing else to do and this is the only way to get good items. And items rule the game completely. Because without proper gear you cannot participate in certain content. In the end you have to do stuff, you do not want to do, because it is the armor you wear, that counts, not you as a player.

-PvP means, earn points in a reward-system to buy items, that make you OP, and waiting-cues. This means most of the time you fight against opponents much weaker or much stronger than you. It almost never accurs, that there is a match that feel "competetive". In the end some players are just standing around, because quick losing is more rewarding, than even trying to compete.

-PvP can also mean, that you get constantly ganked by much stronger players, some call this open-PvP or sandbox or whatever, just to hide the fact, that it sucks.

 

GW2:

-PvE you can do whatever you want to, it is always rewarding and challenging. This includes:

• open-world-raid-bosses
• exploring and questing in a vast world, that feels alive and dynamic
• helping your low-level-friends
• doing dungeons

-PvP you can do whatever you want to, it is always rewarding and competetive:

• open-PvP with 3 factions, castles, siege weapons, strategy, epic battles, for everybody and for all sorts of groups
• casual BGs you can enter without wating whenever you want with a variety of rule-sets
• competetive BGs with rankings, but no OP-gear-reward- system - just player-skill

 

Sorry, but GW2's features sound like fantasy^^

 

May sound that way, but it plays even better ;-)

They are not changing what we know an MMO to be.  They are simply changing the way we play an MMO, which by the way is refreshing.  All MMOs prior (save Dragons Nest, Vindictus and a few others) were the same.  Go to mob, rotate hotbar, rinse, repeat.  Other limitations like out-levelling zones, waiting to form a group just added on.

At least with GW2 I have a different combat mechanic, while similiar to 'action' combat, is still different from say Dragons Nest and Tera to be interesting.  It really forces you to engage in the battles you are taking part in.

As we always say, this type of game isnt for everyone especially those wanting to hold on to the old world.  You can have it. I prefer to move on to something new.

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Originally posted by darkhalf357x

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Originally posted by hikaru77

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Originally posted by cyress8
Ohhhh, so their actual endgame is real content that you have to go out and adventure and explore.  Instead of 1 raid every few months that you grind in hopes of getting gear to do the next raid a few months down the line so you can grind for gear to do another raid that will release a few months down the line so you can grind for gear to do another raid that will release a few months down the line...
Well played, Anet, well played.

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LoL, another fanboy point of view. Endgame in gw2 is, start over again, maybe you´ll find something new, maybe not and since is all about fast travel, what adventure and exploration are you talking about?, you even have scouts who show you where are everything in a zone. 

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Why is that a fanboy comment?  Is that not how raiding works?  You dont have to grind for new gear to take on the new raid?  Sounded spot on to me.   Endgame is GW2, in the sense you are playing it when you start.  Its a hard concept for some to accept.  You are not racing to get to some level to do some level specific content.  Their philosophy is just play and (hopefully) enjoy what you come across.
You dont have to fast travel its an option, you can always walk but rest assured there will be times you will want to fast travel so glad its in there.  The NPCs do not point out every single thing you can find.  Many things will require you to physically explore an area to find something you didnt know was there before you found it.

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Simply put this game give you back what games should have always been, discover it yourself and beauty of it all is its also group friendly all can join no need for getting a party or seek npc to get quest just explore and find GW2 its secrets NO HOLD HANDS NO FOLLOW THE PATH GAME TELLS YOU 2 LIKE IN WoW HEHE:)

I really hope it works out. But SWTOR burned me. I am hesitant to believe any claims these days.

Always good to be cautious.  Having owned SWTOR, I wont go as far to say that BW lied but will say they didnt deliver the experience I was expecting.  And I didnt even expect anything until my level was mid 20s. There is no freedom in SWTOR.  You do the linear story then raid. End of line.

I also own GW2 and can tell you from experience that it offers the freedom they promised.  I saw a ton of videos and can say actually playing outweighed anything that I had seen.

It really is a new take on what an MMO can be.  I hope others make GW2 clones.  I would love to see a space/sci-fi oriented one.

I am amazed when I read things like this article. New content spread throughout the world that we have to discover, for free. A team devoted to keeping things fresh, for free. I got so used to paying a sub fee for months on end just to access a game that I bought, hoping with every patch every couple of months that developers would add something new to do. It makes it harder and harder for me to justify buying a game that requires a monthly subscription.

So far ANet has delivered on everything they said they would, so I look forward to see how these changes play out.

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by cyress8

Ohhhh, so their actual endgame is real content that you have to go out and adventure and explore.  Instead of 1 raid every few months that you grind in hopes of getting gear to do the next raid a few months down the line so you can grind for gear to do another raid that will release a few months down the line so you can grind for gear to do another raid that will release a few months down the line...

Well played, Anet, well played.

LoL, another fanboy point of view. Endgame in gw2 is, start over again, maybe you´ll find something new, maybe not and since is all about fast travel, what adventure and exploration are you talking about?, you even have scouts who show you where are everything in a zone. 

And another hater point of view, one that is ill-informed and caustic.  What other game developer goes to this length to add surprise and adventure in their games?  No MMO dev I can think of.  Fan or otherwise, you have to admit this is the kind of thing that gets a lot of people excited for the future.  If you don't like it and would prefer a raid where the same thing happens that happened last week for the minimal chance of getting a leet purple, I can direct you to some games in particular.  How's that sound?

I know they wanted to do something similar in gW. Never worked out. they were too busy producing expansions =P So i don't get my hopes high =p

Originally posted by Elikal

I really hope it works out. But SWTOR burned me. I am hesitant to believe any claims these days.

You shouldn't. The only one that can judge if a game is good for you is of course yourself. There will be a weekend trial for everyone before launch so you will get your chanse to try it out for free and make your own judgement before you decide to buy it.

In my case does it look good, really good. The first days in a beta is usually rather fun but this is past any fun I had the last 10 years in a MMO. But that is my experience, your might differ and I could get tired off it rather soon of course. But so far so good.

Originally posted by Elikal

I really hope it works out. But SWTOR burned me. I am hesitant to believe any claims these days.

How did swtor burn you?  Especially you.

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by cyress8

Ohhhh, so their actual endgame is real content that you have to go out and adventure and explore.  Instead of 1 raid every few months that you grind in hopes of getting gear to do the next raid a few months down the line so you can grind for gear to do another raid that will release a few months down the line so you can grind for gear to do another raid that will release a few months down the line...

Well played, Anet, well played.

LoL, another fanboy point of view. Endgame in gw2 is, start over again, maybe you´ll find something new, maybe not and since is all about fast travel, what adventure and exploration are you talking about?, you even have scouts who show you where are everything in a zone. 

God how can you be so ignorant.  Scouts only show renown hearts.  The vast majority of content is dynamic events which scouts DO NOT TELL YOU ABOUT.

I mean seriously you have to be completely comsumed by hatred or bitterness you make this kind of crap up.

This statement of philosphy is good and I hope it turns out that way.  But they phrased in a very wishy washy manner.  They have not really commited to any numbers on this and we will have to see how it turns out.

Talk is cheap, whiskey costs money. 

If they do what they say I think it will be great.  And I am sure they would like to do it.  But since no one has done it before we will have to see if their eyes are bigger than their mouths so to speak.

Originally posted by OldManFunk

"Three years from now, if someone makes a brand new character in the game, a place that has 100 events in it might have 300 by then.”

 

Aye... but i think 130 will be closer to the actuall number in 3 years, just lets hope its not 103, as even that would mean they hold their promise.

I am a very critical gamer and I have high expectations for Guild Wars 2. I have been waiting neutral on the sidelines since in order to try the beta out you actually have to be commited and purchase a copy of the game. The more videos and reviews I read the more amazing this game sounds. I am VERY tempted to pre-order. I almost did last night but I will try and hold out a little bit longer and hunt for the negatives.

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by Meleagar

I was wondering about ANET's post-launch philosphy - if they had thought through how to add new content, what kind of new content to add to stay within the philosophy of their manifesto,etc. Looks like ANET isn't going to disappoint.

What is really eye-opening is how long it's been since an MMOG developer not only met expectations, but exceeded them.

Again, thats from a gw fan point of view. In the real world, people have another interpretation of the facts.

Real world, as in unbiased? Always glad to see such perceptions of the game, but don't fool yourself into thinking that applies to the haters who pop into various threads on the forum.

Fans of the game may have a bias, but at least it's born out of a rational love of the game. A hater has a bias as well, but since it's born out of an irrational hate and deliberate obliviousness to fact, their opinions are often worth less than those of the homeless guy in the park who has long conversations with his left shoe.

If a game has level scaling, that prevents one from outleveling content and combines that with a commitment to continually update, add to or replace content in the game with new content, how is that not a very good thing? Does it have great value for those who extend play via alts? Of course it does. However, it also has value for those who have already reached the level cap as well.

The game even adjusts loot based on your true level, to ensure that doing low level content is still rewarding, but not so rewarding that doing lower level content becomes exploitable. (You will always be more productive, as far as gold and loot earning rates, tackling content of your true level, but doing lower level content will be rewarding enough that you won't feel like you have to make a major sacrifice on productivity by partaking of it).

There is no forced dichotomy between the way you play the game on the way to the level cap and what you do once you get there. I know it's a hard concept for some to grasp, espescially those who have gone "all in" to the "end game, endless gear grind" solution to "what do we give players to do once they reach the level cap" problem, but it's a very real and viable alternative to the "end game hole" that developers and players seem determined to dig for themselves.

Great post!

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by Meleagar

I was wondering about ANET's post-launch philosphy - if they had thought through how to add new content, what kind of new content to add to stay within the philosophy of their manifesto,etc. Looks like ANET isn't going to disappoint.

What is really eye-opening is how long it's been since an MMOG developer not only met expectations, but exceeded them.

Again, thats from a gw fan point of view. In the real world, people have another interpretation of the facts.

Kind of funny for you to present one side of the argument as being a non real world point of view, while presenting a different point of view as being more real.

Bias is bias, no matter which side of the fence you stand on. The difference is that the fan isnt claiming to speak for anyone else (note that he used the singular pronoun of, "I", whereas you used a plural, "people.")

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by OldManFunk

"Three years from now, if someone makes a brand new character in the game, a place that has 100 events in it might have 300 by then.”

 

 

Aye... but i think 130 will be closer to the actuall number in 3 years, just lets hope its not 103, as even that would mean they hold their promise.

And you're basing your number on nothing.  Congratulations.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by OldManFunk

"Three years from now, if someone makes a brand new character in the game, a place that has 100 events in it might have 300 by then.”

Aye... but i think 130 will be closer to the actuall number in 3 years, just lets hope its not 103, as even that would mean they hold their promise.

I think that will depend a lot on the zone. They have added plenty of stuff for GW1and it was done by a handful people with very little money.

I will not guess any number though, since it is rather pointless right now and you might as well roll a dice. But I have played GW over 5 years on and off so I do know some things about how ANET work, they will add stuff and a lot more than 3%.