Originally posted by Dwarfman420

The Sims > SWTOR

 

Pathetic

Is that the Sims Online?

Originally posted by klash2def

As I and many others have said forever.. there will never be another micheal jordan.. and there will never be another world of warcraft.. its not because the games cant make another "wow" its just the timing is different.. wow was perfect timing..Blizzard had NO idea it would work out the way it did.. it just worked. There is no real formula. I dont think its fair to us as consumers that we are forced to play wow over and over again.. no matter the ip every game since warcraft went mmo has been warcraft since it went mmo.

devs are too focused on re-making wow when they should be focused on making  their own game. 

I can't speak on behalf of MJ, but what Blizzard did with WOW was no random accident.  They might have not known *HOW* successful WOW was going to be, but they definately had a calculated approach to how they were developing their game.

If you go back and read / listen to some of the "during development" interviews, they say that one of their express intents was to remove many of the barriers of entry that many "average" gamers experienced when trying out the early MMORPGs. 

They took the critisisims many gamers had for early MMOs (takes too long to do anything in game, too much dependency on other players to experience content, not enough direction on what to do, too many punative mechanics, etc.) and intentionally worked to remove or mitigate many of those characteristics so that the game would be appealing to a larger audience of gamers.

They recognized that the MMORPG market has the most lucrative pricing model of all the other generes of gaming, yet had the smallest audience of all other generes of gaming.  There was an opportunity here to bring re-occuring monthly fees to the largest subsection of the gaming consumer....the mainstream "casual" gamer demographic.

Check out the "Blue Oceans, Red Sea" marketing theory.  Cirq do Solie did something very similar by bridging the gap between the circus (mainstream crowds, cheap tickets to increase accesiblity) and performing arts (small select crowds, expensive tickets that limit accesiblity)

Just how like Cirq du Solie created a new market of performance art (and enjoyed all the benefits of being first to market), Blizzard created a new market of MMORPG gamers (and has enjoyed all the benefits of bieng first to market....as evidenced by all the follow-up themepark projects failing to reproduce Blizzard's success)

Again....they might have not had a high level of confidence how successful WOW was gonig to be....but the DEFINATELY had a strategy.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Dwarfman420

The Sims > SWTOR

 

Pathetic

Is that the Sims Online?

The 3rd all time best selling game ever in the history of video games is "the Sims" - over 100 million units.    That does not include Sims Online, Sims 2, sims whatever... that is just - the Sims.   The Sims series as a whole is the top selling game if you added in all the of the titles.

Yes...the Sims is one of EA's biggest all time money makers, and continues to be one.

For the record, the other two best sdelling games ever is Pokemon at 150 mil and Mario Bros.  at 200 million.

This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen a company say to the public.

EA are too busy trying to grab our money any way they can..

Just take a look at this pile of bull..

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/battlefield-3-premium-service-launching-june-4-report-6376790

Somthing DICE said they would never do..

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Dwarfman420

The Sims > SWTOR

 

Pathetic

Is that the Sims Online?

The 3rd all time best selling game ever in the history of video games is "the Sims" - over 100 million units.    That does not include Sims Online, Sims 2, sims whatever... that is just - the Sims.   The Sims series as a whole is the top selling game if you added in all the of the titles.

Yes...the Sims is one of EA's biggest all time money makers, and continues to be one.

For the record, the other two best sdelling games ever is Pokemon at 150 mil and Mario Bros.  at 200 million.

 

Yes, The Sims > SWTOR does not make SWTOR pathetic because as you say Sims was a great series and better than a lot of games, but if the Sims Online > SWTOR then that would make SWTOR pathetic

I'm not sure why Bioware is getting a pass in this discussion.  I'm not fan of EA, in fact, the polar opposite.  But this statement would never have been made if Bioware had made a game that did a better job of engaging MMO gamers.  But they didn't.  It was their design decisions and their execution that hobbled this game from the beginning.  Hard to fault EA for recognizing it.  In fact, I'm shocked that they are so forthcoming about it.  Truth is just about the last thing I would expect to hear from those jackals.

Trounce EA if you like.  They've earned it, if not for this, then for dozens of other crimes against gaming.  But at least be honest about who is responsible for seeing SWTOR in a position where a statement like this could even be made.  Bioware developed it.  They called the design shots.  The weak performance is on them.  If they'd made a better game, EA would be shamelessly gushing about it right now.

Originally posted by greyed-out

But how can 1.7 err 1.3 million paying subs not be a significant revenue generator to not make it a priority?

the said top 5 revenue gainers as there are other products that would far surpass it like battlefield or whatever not to mention the population is dropping fast.  Sounds like EA is jumping ship on TORtanic.

Now I know why they are going to tack on a subscription to BF3 in 2013...

WTF EA

Originally posted by greyed-out

But how can 1.7 err 1.3 million paying subs not be a significant revenue generator to not make it a priority?

 Those 1.3M include a lot of cancelled subs that were reactivated and given a free month. Just read it, SWTOR is not a top five revenue generator, why is that so hard to understand? He didn't say it wasn't significant, it's top 10, just not top 5.

It's probably not the smartest thing to say publically, but it's no doubt true. Just a bit of realism and you know that TOR isn't as much of a success as they had hoped. It would be foolish to make TOR top priority.

Originally posted by JoeyMMO

Originally posted by greyed-out

But how can 1.7 err 1.3 million paying subs not be a significant revenue generator to not make it a priority?

 Those 1.3M include a lot of cancelled subs that were reactivated and given a free month. Just read it, SWTOR is not a top five revenue generator, why is that so hard to understand? He didn't say it wasn't significant, it's top 10, just not top 5.

It's probably not the smartest thing to say publically, but it's no doubt true. Just a bit of realism and you know that TOR isn't as much of a success as they had hoped. It would be foolish to make TOR top priority.

The fact that the game is not reaching revenue targets is a good indication, it might not have been a smart thing for them to say from a PR point of view, but it might be a precursor to more and perhaps worse news, and their just 'priming the guns' so to speak, i think by now everyone has worked out that the 1.3m active subs did not represent actual paying subs, and included a lot, although as yet unknown percentage of 'reactivated' accounts that were given 'extra time' for free on a promotional basis.  What happens next for SW;TOR .. needs to be decisive, and above all, positive, or the game may well decline below the top 10 revenue generating games, let alone the top 5.

Originally posted by Unlight

I'm not sure why Bioware is getting a pass in this discussion.  I'm not fan of EA, in fact, the polar opposite.  But this statement would never have been made if Bioware had made a game that did a better job of engaging MMO gamers.  But they didn't.  It was their design decisions and their execution that hobbled this game from the beginning.  Hard to fault EA for recognizing it.  In fact, I'm shocked that they are so forthcoming about it.  Truth is just about the last thing I would expect to hear from those jackals.

Trounce EA if you like.  They've earned it, if not for this, then for dozens of other crimes against gaming.  But at least be honest about who is responsible for seeing SWTOR in a position where a statement like this could even be made.  Bioware developed it.  They called the design shots.  The weak performance is on them.  If they'd made a better game, EA would be shamelessly gushing about it right now.

I don't understand this either.  Bioware is the devlopers of this game - EA is the publisher.   If you must blame anyone blame Bioware for making such bad MMO.  EA I am sure shoulders some of the blame as does Lucas Arts for OKing it, but as for the basic game design and implementation - that is all Bioware.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Unlight

I'm not sure why Bioware is getting a pass in this discussion.  I'm not fan of EA, in fact, the polar opposite.  But this statement would never have been made if Bioware had made a game that did a better job of engaging MMO gamers.  But they didn't.  It was their design decisions and their execution that hobbled this game from the beginning.  Hard to fault EA for recognizing it.  In fact, I'm shocked that they are so forthcoming about it.  Truth is just about the last thing I would expect to hear from those jackals.

Trounce EA if you like.  They've earned it, if not for this, then for dozens of other crimes against gaming.  But at least be honest about who is responsible for seeing SWTOR in a position where a statement like this could even be made.  Bioware developed it.  They called the design shots.  The weak performance is on them.  If they'd made a better game, EA would be shamelessly gushing about it right now.

I don't understand this either.  Bioware is the devlopers of this game - EA is the publisher.   If you must blame anyone blame Bioware for making such bad MMO.  EA I am sure shoulders some of the blame as does Lucas Arts for OKing it, but as for the basic game design and implementation - that is all Bioware.

i would blame EA for pushing a release date before the game was ready and blame bioware for creating such a crappy MMO.

Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by JoeyMMO

Originally posted by greyed-out

But how can 1.7 err 1.3 million paying subs not be a significant revenue generator to not make it a priority?

 Those 1.3M include a lot of cancelled subs that were reactivated and given a free month. Just read it, SWTOR is not a top five revenue generator, why is that so hard to understand? He didn't say it wasn't significant, it's top 10, just not top 5.

It's probably not the smartest thing to say publically, but it's no doubt true. Just a bit of realism and you know that TOR isn't as much of a success as they had hoped. It would be foolish to make TOR top priority.

The fact that the game is not reaching revenue targets is a good indication, it might not have been a smart thing for them to say from a PR point of view, but it might be a precursor to more and perhaps worse news, and their just 'priming the guns' so to speak, i think by now everyone has worked out that the 1.3m active subs did not represent actual paying subs, and included a lot, although as yet unknown percentage of 'reactivated' accounts that were given 'extra time' for free on a promotional basis.  What happens next for SW;TOR .. needs to be decisive, and above all, positive, or the game may well decline below the top 10 revenue generating games, let alone the top 5.

Considering in November Conference Call to investors they were touting SWTOR as the next WoW and the cash cow that was going to make them all rich and bleed every penny gamers have, well now they are having to back pedal very carefully for those same investors

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Dwarfman420

The Sims > SWTOR

 

Pathetic

Is that the Sims Online?

The 3rd all time best selling game ever in the history of video games is "the Sims" - over 100 million units.    That does not include Sims Online, Sims 2, sims whatever... that is just - the Sims.   The Sims series as a whole is the top selling game if you added in all the of the titles.

Yes...the Sims is one of EA's biggest all time money makers, and continues to be one.

For the record, the other two best sdelling games ever is Pokemon at 150 mil and Mario Bros.  at 200 million.

 

Yes, The Sims > SWTOR does not make SWTOR pathetic because as you say Sims was a great series and better than a lot of games, but if the Sims Online > SWTOR then that would make SWTOR pathetic

Can we have some SIMS gameplay in SWTOR? lol I think the SIMS can sit down can't they?

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Unlight

I'm not sure why Bioware is getting a pass in this discussion.  I'm not fan of EA, in fact, the polar opposite.  But this statement would never have been made if Bioware had made a game that did a better job of engaging MMO gamers.  But they didn't.  It was their design decisions and their execution that hobbled this game from the beginning.  Hard to fault EA for recognizing it.  In fact, I'm shocked that they are so forthcoming about it.  Truth is just about the last thing I would expect to hear from those jackals.

Trounce EA if you like.  They've earned it, if not for this, then for dozens of other crimes against gaming.  But at least be honest about who is responsible for seeing SWTOR in a position where a statement like this could even be made.  Bioware developed it.  They called the design shots.  The weak performance is on them.  If they'd made a better game, EA would be shamelessly gushing about it right now.

I don't understand this either.  Bioware is the devlopers of this game - EA is the publisher.   If you must blame anyone blame Bioware for making such bad MMO.  EA I am sure shoulders some of the blame as does Lucas Arts for OKing it, but as for the basic game design and implementation - that is all Bioware.

i would blame EA for pushing a release date before the game was ready and blame bioware for creating such a crappy MMO.

EA bought Bioware, EA is Bioware, Bioware is only an exploited name buy EA. All things Bioware are EA. Any further questions?

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Unlight

I'm not sure why Bioware is getting a pass in this discussion.  I'm not fan of EA, in fact, the polar opposite.  But this statement would never have been made if Bioware had made a game that did a better job of engaging MMO gamers.  But they didn't.  It was their design decisions and their execution that hobbled this game from the beginning.  Hard to fault EA for recognizing it.  In fact, I'm shocked that they are so forthcoming about it.  Truth is just about the last thing I would expect to hear from those jackals.

Trounce EA if you like.  They've earned it, if not for this, then for dozens of other crimes against gaming.  But at least be honest about who is responsible for seeing SWTOR in a position where a statement like this could even be made.  Bioware developed it.  They called the design shots.  The weak performance is on them.  If they'd made a better game, EA would be shamelessly gushing about it right now.

I don't understand this either.  Bioware is the devlopers of this game - EA is the publisher.   If you must blame anyone blame Bioware for making such bad MMO.  EA I am sure shoulders some of the blame as does Lucas Arts for OKing it, but as for the basic game design and implementation - that is all Bioware.

i would blame EA for pushing a release date before the game was ready and blame bioware for creating such a crappy MMO.

EA bought Bioware, EA is Bioware, Bioware is only an exploited name buy EA. All things Bioware are EA. Any further questions?

yes,  do you have any cheese doodles?

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Unlight

I'm not sure why Bioware is getting a pass in this discussion.  I'm not fan of EA, in fact, the polar opposite.  But this statement would never have been made if Bioware had made a game that did a better job of engaging MMO gamers.  But they didn't.  It was their design decisions and their execution that hobbled this game from the beginning.  Hard to fault EA for recognizing it.  In fact, I'm shocked that they are so forthcoming about it.  Truth is just about the last thing I would expect to hear from those jackals.

Trounce EA if you like.  They've earned it, if not for this, then for dozens of other crimes against gaming.  But at least be honest about who is responsible for seeing SWTOR in a position where a statement like this could even be made.  Bioware developed it.  They called the design shots.  The weak performance is on them.  If they'd made a better game, EA would be shamelessly gushing about it right now.

I don't understand this either.  Bioware is the devlopers of this game - EA is the publisher.   If you must blame anyone blame Bioware for making such bad MMO.  EA I am sure shoulders some of the blame as does Lucas Arts for OKing it, but as for the basic game design and implementation - that is all Bioware.

i would blame EA for pushing a release date before the game was ready and blame bioware for creating such a crappy MMO.

EA bought Bioware, EA is Bioware, Bioware is only an exploited name buy EA. All things Bioware are EA. Any further questions?

Yes, if I was to gather up all the good BS spewed about bad games - how big of building would I need to contain it all?

EA is that "on top of the world" rockstar who's snorting half a key of coke weekly and creampieing every groupie he can get his hands on.

He's filthy fucking rich, incredibly successful and does not give a shit.

I challenge people to unbiasally name 5 MMO's in the last 5 years that have launched in the U.S. that are literally higher quality games than SW:TOR is right out the gate. And then compare success between sales & initial subscriptions to any MMO that's ever been released in the U.S., ever. 1.7 subs for the first couple months, and now down to 1.3 subs, that's a fantastic foundation for any game, what happens from this point on is really up to BioWare, not EA.

I can't think of one game that beats any of these statistics.

What this guy said was moronic, but what EA contributes to funding the game is not as significant as what BioWare contributes, not by a long shot. They still say they're going to continue investing significantly into this title & franchise, even more than they were pre-launch. That on top of what BioWare will be putting into the game over it's lifespan adds up to SW:TOR and anything relating to it over the next 5 to 10 years is looking pretty good. People are basically taking soundbites of what's said and twisting it into something far worse than it really is. This forum community is pathetic and full of trolls, I don't know why I bother with it anymore.

I think the game could be handled better by BioWare, but I also am grateful they're the ones doing it probably over any other studio right now.